Should Joymax add status effects to Heuksal chains?

mKaaru · Post by **mKaaru** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:09 pm

As the title of the topic suggests, should Joymax consider to add status effects on the Heuksal Chain Spear Attack series as they have done with Bicheon?

Both chain spear Pluto and Dragon are powerfull skills while first mentioned launches 4 vicious attacks and last can even land 6 successive body strikes on your ass. While these skillbooks before and after the 80 update had little to no status effects in the Heuksal skilltree, the new chain that becomes avalaible at 100 cap will provide NO status effects either. Both skillbooks were populair at the 70 cap and used in both PVE and PVP environments, but with the 80cap and updated skills they have become rather obsolete.

While we all love the animations of the blader chains, it wouldnt surprise me that everyone reading this would agree that the heuksal chains are just as impressive or for the emo's even mindboggling! These moves look amazing and strong, as they are capable of "1shotting" a mob. Why should the blader chains give status effects and not the heuksal chains while these are more powerfull?

They should at least consider to add status effects that would be common sense to be associated with these skills, being:

Stun (after being attacked severely)
Bleed (a wound cut by a sharp weapon)
Impotent (lose phy & mag att power after powerfull damage)

DISCUSS!

mypride · Post by **mypride** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:11 pm

yes, then everyone will use the chains.

Ichimaru420 · Post by **Ichimaru420** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:16 pm

Yeh I think they should it seems like bladers and archers getting cool new stuff and glaivers don't get much new stuff.

Post by **Rainigul** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:17 pm

1h warriors should get status effects.

Only their shield bash has blunt.

poehalcho · Post by **poehalcho** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:17 pm

they should add stun. and soul spear should have knockdown. im getting sorta sick of the blader combo's. everyone uses those but no1 ever does glaive chains. which are actually cooler if you consider how acrobatic the movements are when you have this big as, pretty darned heavy spear in your hands. Spearchains FTW

dammit im starting to miss my hybrid spear character :cry:

but goddamit aege has become impossible to log on to...

the_wicked · Post by **the_wicked** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:01 am

if glavie gets those errors everyone will go glaive >_>

raged! · Post by **raged!** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:02 am

i hope you are not serious

bladers got status effect because they do too little dmg

glaviers do not need the status effect

joymax isnt gonna change anything and you know it

Hitman144 · Post by **Hitman144** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:04 am

pssssh u guys have stun , thats all u need

Mafiaz · Post by **Mafiaz** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:04 am

Meh..........

mKaaru · Post by **mKaaru** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:50 am

raged! wrote:i hope you are not serious

bladers got status effect because they do too little dmg

glaviers do not need the status effect

joymax isnt gonna change anything and you know it

who said they're for glaivers only? for ints these additions could make a spear based int char a lot more fun imo :love:

Disconn3cted · Post by **Disconn3cted** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:52 am

no they shouldn't the whole point in giving blader warlock status's was to make it so they could kill again and try to make them the strongest pvp build as they were originally intended adding those status's to heuksal would unbalance the game again and no one would play blader

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:53 am

mKaaru wrote:
raged! wrote:i hope you are not serious

bladers got status effect because they do too little dmg

glaviers do not need the status effect

joymax isnt gonna change anything and you know it

who said they're for glaivers only? for ints these additions could make a spear based int char a lot more fun imo

Ok so you want to give int based characters tanking abilities with the snowshield, massive damage with nukes, and extra status effects with combos........

do you see anything wrong with that picture....

OT: glaiver already have great damage and stun they don't need status effects, before the new blader chain came into play Bladers were incapable off killing without sun at the cap thanks to x-large pots....finally bladers are on slightly even ground and you want to upset that...

lynette · Post by **lynette** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:27 am

i dun think status will be added to heuksal chains

I think the trend now is towards bicheon and pacheon.

Before rise of 60 cap, glaivers are owez the strongest in damage, because of the trend towards it, it overpowers glaivers too much.

Now its a more balanced style of playing.

as for the 6 hit combo, i nvr add that. too slow. hence, i only added pluto and shura. but seldom use them too.

torinchibi · Post by **torinchibi** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:37 am

Stun and KB....Bleed from a glavie? Not really a sharp weapon. Stun is already on another move, and Impotent...you wish. 2 bad status effects on the more powerful and more useful attacks are plenty. Chains are supposed to be used to add the umbue effects easier but with these pills they are pretty useless anyway.

atlanser · Post by **atlanser** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:19 am

No, because I dont wanna farm for the chains

Dull is a decent additon and thats good enough

DragonTalon · Post by **DragonTalon** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:30 am

Screw the chains... If you want status effects then Windless Spear FTW

firefox6 · Post by **firefox6** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:35 am

bow is the only one that needs more status effects

nphillip · Post by **nphillip** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:41 am

Ichimaru420 wrote:Yeh I think they should it seems like bladers and archers getting cool new stuff and glaivers don't get much new stuff.

+1

ineedhelp · Post by **ineedhelp** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:25 am

i would say for the poll if they do this then they should had so me stus effect for bow and succesfull shots

um i might sound like a idiot to others and others smart or whatever
but i really think joymaxx needs to step there game up on bows
i think they should be given stus effect ad 2 times successesfull shot thing
i know bow has stun and kb(thats only2 while others got stus effect and successfull shots)
think about it heuskal+blades got the status effect

all european classes have it except bard+cleric and i think warlock
all of them have the 2shots+ thing

blades have 2 skills that give status effect and both are 2+ succesful shot
and they got some other moves that got succesfull shot

heuskal they got 1 skills with dull and like 4 skills with succesfull
shot that are 2 shots

bow does have arrow kb succecfull shot only 1 skill and thats a combo
it shouldnt even count

when its a fight between glavie+bow

it sucks that the fact it takes time for antibow to hit
while glavie will spam ghost spear and the othet stuff it gots
wat i mean to say is in the time that a bow hits a glavie once
the glavie has already hit the bow 4 times

well hope u guys/girls know what i mean

tedtwilliger · Post by **tedtwilliger** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:36 am

And give a reason for more people to be glaviers.?

ew..

lazybum · Post by **lazybum** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:39 am

hmmm if glaives have dmg like those of blades and blades have dmg of glaives....then yes, lets give them the status

/Pi · Post by **/Pi** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:40 am

Voted yes, but we all know this poll will never change Joymax's mind.

foudre · Post by **foudre** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:43 am

no but i think chinese and euro s/s should get status effects
but then again chinese have imbues and warriors can get sub warlock

Apachai_ · Post by **Apachai_** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:05 pm

yes we need status:

Eg:

Break: "Cracks the armour or weopon of opponent making him lose defense and or attk power" Glavies in RL were used to break armor...look at Cutting Glavie...

Dull is good..but not good enuff

The stun chance we have right now is ok...but the knock bak we need more...for example: In the Flying Dragon Series (Throwing move) we need a knock back on that.

And Like warriors War Cry, we need something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYbDUr4BOEI

Like increase power or sumfin like bow and them have that bird.

Neways also...where ikkaku comes down from above should be the new Soul Spear Lord ..shit Joymax...lazy much? all the 100 -120 glavie moves are BS...all just repeats mix of old moves. haha they dont know most will probably quit when that arrives and Joymax has to put that lame sh_t too LOL JM just making us not pay..wee when that comes JM PAY ME!!! xD i wont spend single cent...no food on the table for you keke

Naigasakis_Rebirth · Post by **Naigasakis_Rebirth** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:24 pm

Apachai_ wrote:yes we need status:

Eg:

Break: "Cracks the armour or weopon of opponent making him lose defense and or attk power" Glavies in RL were used to break armor...look at Cutting Glavie...

Dull is good..but not good enuff

The stun chance we have right now is ok...but the knock bak we need more...for example: In the Flying Dragon Series (Throwing move) we need a knock back on that.

And Like warriors War Cry, we need something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYbDUr4BOEI

Like increase power or sumfin like bow and them have that bird.

Neways also...where ikkaku comes down from above should be the new Soul Spear Lord ..shit Joymax...lazy much? all the 100 -120 glavie moves are BS...all just repeats mix of old moves. haha they dont know most will probably quit when that arrives and Joymax has to put that lame sh_t too LOL JM just making us not pay..wee when that comes JM PAY ME!!! xD i wont spend single cent...no food on the table for you keke

Yea that's it...give glaives more physical damage so they can be European characters without the lame pot delay. Maybe we should give them a critical increase and mana skin as well?

Spanktastik · Post by **Spanktastik** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:30 pm

Bicheon has status effects w/knock down
Heuksal had power w/stun and knock back
Bow has range w/stun and knock back

Thats the way it was meant to be. Glaives do the most stand-alone (without crit) physical damage within the Chinese builds. Spear nukers do the most int damage. Give them both status effects and they might as well be European with their overpowered-ness (heh, I made a word).

Up until the recent skills update the saying has always been "bladers can tank but they cant kill." Now they actually have a chance to hold their own in PVP; it's actually fair again. Glaives/Spears do a perfectly fine job at that already.

MrBow · Post by **MrBow** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:52 pm

no

lol
me (wizard) versus glaivers with those special statusses = lose :wink:

h33r0yuy · Post by **h33r0yuy** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:50 pm

glaives have always been pretty much brute force.

i think their added dmg compared to bicheon makes up for having no new status effects, aside from dull, which is a real pain in the arse, anyway.

they buffed bladers, those are the guys who needed it. glaives are fine.

Sleepy1338 · Post by **Sleepy1338** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:55 pm

Of course I think they should, I'm Spear ^^

XMoshe · Post by **XMoshe** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:05 pm

Sleepy1338 wrote:Of course I think they should, I'm Spear ^^

idd..(almost) all the bladers (bowers maybe) will say no status..and (almost) all the glaivers will say status...so discussion is useless here.

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