Why Euros are OVERPOWERED

imp3r10 · Post by **imp3r10** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:29 pm

The following are my own personal views on Euros.

Euros are over compensated. Being pure power in either mag or phy + all their special skills is too much compensation just for 15 sec pot delay.

1.Rouges.

The rouges get dual weapon power all in one mastery whereas a chinese has to level 2 masteries. Also the x-bow and daggers on these guys are way too strong. The dagger crits beat that of even a bow, which is know for its crits, and why do euro weapons get such crit values, in the 20s(24 i think), whereas the chinese max is 20, and thats for a sun spear(which has high crit). The max crit for a regular chinese weapon(i think 15 for spear) is not even close to that of a euro. Also the x-bow is like the Golden Gun in Jame Bond. It has way too many features on it that its over powered. First it has knockback(only heuskal and pacheon for chinese), knockdown(only bicheon for chinese), plus it has attack while down(aka stab, only for bicheon for chinese). The xbow has an insanely high crit too, and with its semi fast atts its so unfair. Also the most noob skill for rouge(and wizard too i guess) is their stealth/invisible. It gives one of the biggest unfair advantages out there(see your enemy when they cant see you). Its like attacking someone with their back to you and they are unarmed.

2. Clerics

I will admit that clerics help both sides when they acting as buffers, but that where similarities end. The skills you get with a cleric at very low lvls(30s) are better than the ones that a farmed 80 chinese player has. Their party buffs are so insanely high that you have to fight buff against buff to even have a chance. Also, since when can a pure int tank several glaviers? I've seen an 80 cleric tank a couple fo 80 glaviers for a pretty long time, ones that rival a pure str blade with castle shield. Their hp recovery and insane highly buffs turn them into super tankers. Their offering skill is a crazy high hit, tho the hp decrease, and the fact they are pure int is somewhat acceptable.

These are only a few of the things i see wrong with the side currently. The only way to make this game more fair is to limit their skills for this cap, but let the chinese get new ones at 90 and 100 cap.

UniQ · Post by **UniQ** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:32 pm

sorry im tired, dont want to read it all, but euro's arent THAT overpowered...

(its rogue, not rouge)

Renton · Post by **Renton** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:38 pm

They sacrifice their defence/hp/whatever else to increase their dmg. So.. reducing dmg so you could die by someone 20 lvls under you is.. k.

Wello27 · Post by **Wello27** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:39 pm

I'm in total agreement.

No one should ever have to play a game where

1). Spent 1.5 years grinding your way to 80 and Farm all your SP
2). Have maxed out gears, +5 Gears with awesome blues

This character should rock.

REALITY

Its a piece of shit build that's worthless and sux big a.ss balls.

A noob retard Euro 10 levels below you comes and 1 hits you with a 25K Crit from Rogue skill or 20K Nuke from some noob wizard.

Its beyond stupid. COmpletely lame.

_Madness_ · Post by **_Madness_** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:41 pm

I preferred SRO with Chinese only, but I guess it's too late to change anything now.

Azilius · Post by **Azilius** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:43 pm

Rogue is simple, fire detection. If it's an Xbow, then phantom to them and use a KB/KD move. If you have good reflexes then you should be fine..it's skill mixed with luck (they don't crit you). People always complain that rogues just come up and one hit crit you with daggers, but it's simple..get fire detection, get a party with someone who has it, or get the detection pills.

Cleric is somewhat easy too..One level of firewall and their offering is blocked. Then kill their remaining HP. The buffs are meant to give a huge advantage anyway, if you can't kill someone with them, get one of your own.

I think joymax is leaning towards group v group in the future..

DrunkiMunki · Post by **DrunkiMunki** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:46 pm

im sick of this bullshit everywhere, you dont notice that you can 1hit almost every europe? Im lvl 74 rogue, if i dont 1hit my oppenent, im dead.
Stop crying and learn how to play your char.

imp3r10 · Post by **imp3r10** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:46 pm

Azilius wrote:Rogue is simple, fire detection. If it's an Xbow, then phantom to them and use a KB/KD move. If you have good reflexes then you should be fine..it's skill mixed with luck (they don't crit you). People always complain that rogues just come up and one hit crit you with daggers, but it's simple..get fire detection, get a party with someone who has it, or get the detection pills.

Cleric is somewhat easy too..One level of firewall and their offering is blocked. Then kill their remaining HP. The buffs are meant to give a huge advantage anyway, if you can't kill someone with them, get one of your own.

I think joymax is leaning towards group v group in the future..

there are ways to defeat them,and yes they do sacrifice def/hp(but they kill u before u can att them) but thats not the point

the point is that they have way too many stuff added on, jsut for a 15 sec pot delay

tedtwilliger · Post by **tedtwilliger** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:48 pm

1st of all you need to realize this game isnt euro vs chinese

If you say that cleric tanked a fair few glaviers, imagine a pure str chinese blader with the bless spell, all the european buffs such as defence, bless, intl str etc, having constant healing by a cleric, using snow shield at 50% and having a bard recover their hp constantly.

I'd like to see how many people it takes to kill that character. Even 5 rouges couldn't kill it.

And even if a rouge can 1 hit someone 10 levels below you, using fire combustion you can simply lion shout him to death.

Thats what you are missing. Euros and chinese should work together to make up for each others weaknesses.

poehalcho · Post by **poehalcho** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:51 pm

you know the orriginal delay was 30 sec right? and...i can't exactly agree...first of all the game isnt only made for pvp. think about it. a rogue might be able to 1hit you, but put him in between 3 mobs and you know he's dead. also x-bow has pretty darned slow atacks.

and about the cleric...well they are specially made for healing so no wonder they're better then chinese at they're stuff.

chinese are hybrids
euro's are pure.

also with the next lvl cap euros get nots and chinese get lots

and for last
if the euros are so overpowered then i guess that means that maybe the islam will be overdefended?

MrBow · Post by **MrBow** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:55 pm

Lol cry me a fucking river :cry:

Burningwolf · Post by **Burningwolf** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:55 pm

Wello27 wrote:I'm in total agreement.

No one should ever have to play a game where

1). Spent 1.5 years grinding your way to 80 and Farm all your SP
2). Have maxed out gears, +5 Gears with awesome blues

This character should rock.

REALITY

Its a piece of shit build that's worthless and sux big a.ss balls.

A noob retard Euro 10 levels below you comes and 1 hits you with a 25K Crit from Rogue skill or 20K Nuke from some noob wizard.

Its beyond stupid. COmpletely lame.

+1

Snudge · Post by **Snudge** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:55 pm

About Clerics being able to tank several people at once, it's called Skill

Not every cleric is able to do so outside the 45 seconds, those who are do know how to play, thank god.

Aiyas · Post by **Aiyas** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:01 pm

tedtwilliger wrote:1st of all you need to realize this game isnt euro vs chinese

If you say that cleric tanked a fair few glaviers, imagine a pure str chinese blader with the bless spell, all the european buffs such as defence, bless, intl str etc, having constant healing by a cleric, using snow shield at 50% and having a bard recover their hp constantly.

I'd like to see how many people it takes to kill that character. Even 5 rouges couldn't kill it.

And even if a rouge can 1 hit someone 10 levels below you, using fire combustion you can simply lion shout him to death.

Thats what you are missing. Euros and chinese should work together to make up for each others weaknesses.

+infinity

Thank you so much for saying that.

walnut206 · Post by **walnut206** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:33 pm

UniQ wrote:sorry im tired, dont want to read it all, but euro's arent THAT overpowered...

(its rogue, not rouge)

rouge meants red in french

destructionmama · Post by **destructionmama** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:31 am

i personally thinks its pretty fair... because euro really die hella easy

i tried both sides and they are both fun in their own way

a little too bad that sometimes its really based on luck...

if chinese get a block, euro is dead,
pretty much the same for chinese crits. you get a crit, you get major advantage on your next move.

o_rly · Post by **o_rly** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:32 am

Oh look, another topic with people whining about euros being overpowered

wheeeeee!

>_>

If you people would spend more time thinking of strategies to defeat "z0mg t3h ov3rpowr3d euros" and less whining, you would win in pvp against them

ScZz · Post by **ScZz** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:40 am

they are overpowered now because cap sux , on next caps it comes down to even

0nix · Post by **0nix** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:50 am

o_rly wrote:Oh look, another topic with people whining about euros being overpowered

wheeeeee!

tell me about it.

EngravedDemon · Post by **EngravedDemon** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:58 am

Maybe it's time to change how you play or pvp...

fIESTA · Post by **fIESTA** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:09 am

Ok this is the only rpg game i have every place but euro one hitting chinese characters is fair how not giving them a change is fair how? and wtf it increases the chance of the euro getting 2 hit them because invisible tell me how its fair thats why im a boy and i tend 2 own u all... when i lv up 58 more lvs !!!! :roll:

Shiver · Post by **Shiver** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:45 am

So in order to really piss you off, I need to be a Rogue with a Cleric subclass?

OK, starting it up. I'm sure it'll be really pissing you off when it's level 7, watch out.

Epidemic · Post by **Epidemic** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:09 am

MrBow wrote:Lol cry me a fucking river

and then drown yourself in it

.. both euro and chinese have their advantages.... like someone else posted, we should both make up for eachothers weaknesses? and work together imo

†erminal · Post by **†erminal** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:20 am

Its the mana skin that pisses me off :\
O yah and clerics super-healing people who are jobbing while they don't.

drinkbeer · Post by **drinkbeer** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:24 am

Leipo wrote:im sick of this bullshit everywhere, you dont notice that you can 1hit almost every europe? Im lvl 74 rogue, if i dont 1hit my oppenent, im dead.
Stop crying and learn how to play your char.

The thread should've ended here

Nyahgis · Post by **Nyahgis** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:30 am

It all depends on what you see as overpowered. Try pvping a lvl 80 2h warrior with 80 cleric submastery... You need hella luck [lotsa blocks... the warrior not critting... you stunning or knocking down enough... freeze the **** outa them... RUN...]. Killing them while theirs skins or bless is on is a bitch. Atleast you can still kill a lvl 80 int with a 50% mana shield on. The lvl 80 warrior on the other hand will out tank as long as those buffs last. Out lasting them isn't easy neither while they can drop you in one daredevil if you're an int or 3 or 4 skills for a str. In a warring situation, we versed a guild that had two 2-h warriors with cleric sub, a rogue with cleric sub, and 2 chinese glaivers vs 8 chinese on our side. Their bless spells, skins, damage sharing... etc made it extremely difficult to drop them, and to make it more interesting we had it in the chin tomb. With their ressing they were always together and had all men standing while we chinese had to run there. Every now and then we were able to wipe them all out before they could res, but we lost the war nonetheless.

It takes chinese players with decent coordination to take them out. Both our groups were on seperate vents and have had no trouble warring other guilds. A small group of euros is hella trouble even for 8+ chinese characters. Whether this game needs teamplay or not is obvious, but damn, euros are needed to aid chinese.

strangelove · Post by **strangelove** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:59 am

This isn't particularly directed at anyone here, but why is it always players with Chinese characters that complain about being 1-shot? It's a rare moment when I see a Euro character complaining about being 1-shot, and it happens more often.

The most common reason I've found people get angry over regarding being 1-shot by a Euro is gear. Full sun players dying from a single crit from a lower level character tends to make some people angry. >.>

Limiting Euro skills to this cap after a cap raise is a little too much, I think. Good thing it won't happen.

There's no real stable solution for a single Chinese character to win against a Euro other than good timing of skills and fast reaction.

PrincessBoA · Post by **PrincessBoA** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:12 am

Some noob rogues just like to be invisible and one crit you from behind and run back to safe zone... and yes, euro chars are overpowered. . . .

Love · Post by **Love** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:13 am

you are a noob learn to play less QQ more pew pew

eiseli22 · Post by **eiseli22** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:13 am

I don't get how those people are moaning about Euros 1 hitting them. NO, they don't ALWAYS 1 hit you. As for crits, Chinese str chars need crits to kill each other (fast) as well.

I find it quite funny how people called wizards and rogues noobs coz they go in invisible mode. Thats their game FFS. Would you call a chinese char who use snow sheild or iron shield etc when pvping? or try to run with ghost walk? Oh wait. I have seen many chinese players doing this. When they pvpd and got stun and were dead, then they moaned "dam this stun" or "dam this kd". It is like the other player used some glitch or hack to make them stunned/kd and they died because of that. You sucked/lost/were unlucky/whatever in this fight. Peroid.

And all to those chinese noobs who are saying lets PVP and see how it is to Euros. May I ask what is the purpose of playing EU? Aren't they for partying mostly? or They are created to pvp and pwn every one in one on one? Thats why they have pots delay and you don't. Thats why they have some stat effects and high damage outputs but with lower defences. Now, Get it? So when you have advantage against them in one on one, they have other advantage agianst you in other situations. You kill them some time, they kill you some time. Most moaning and bitching I have seen/heard are from those some SUN players who got their SUNs from whatever they did and pwning other chars with them and now they get their ass kicked often and they start bitching how life sucks.

We all do pvp once in awhile but is this game is purely based on one on one pvp type? Ask yourself.

My point is deal with it. Those skills are there to use. If you can't deal with it, make yourself a EU char or quit playing at all.

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