Pure or Hybrid Spear? The Debate [90 Cap]

[DiabolicSal]

With skills and Weapon Passive at 80. Full Str 5 and HP 400 gear. What will the HP of a 5:1 Hybrid Spear be?


A 7:1? Which would you consider better? PvP wise/unique and so on...

[Canabyss]

7:1 should be s/s as It's about 90% mag bal, if you want to be a hybrid spear try to go for 80-85% mag bal.

If you enjoy unique hunting always remember adding str lowers nuke power and your chance of ever getting kill, so I'd go for pure int.

Hope that helps.

[DiabolicSal]

7:1 should be s/s as It's about 90% mag bal, if you want to be a hybrid spear try to go for 80-85% mag bal.

If you enjoy unique hunting always remember adding str lowers nuke power and your chance of ever getting kill, so I'd go for pure int.

Hope that helps.

Well, it does help to an extend. I mean I'm more focused in PvP, rather than Unique Hunting. Since I'm pretty sure i'll take a few kills here and there. Which is enough for me. I could never find the darn Uniques anyways . I'm looking for a build that can tank for a bit and can deal severe damage, as in if a good nuke and crit is thrown, it can be deadly. As I notice the poll, it's pretty much divided at the moment....

[Canabyss]

Well I'm lvl 78 and 1:7 like you mentioned and I must be honest I die pretty fast but I'm spear when I shoiuld be s/s. But the nukes from s/s when your hybrid just suck.

I don't pvp much though to be honest. But if it was a build for pvp I'd go for 80-85% mag bal and use a spear. I've seen some great pvp videos from people with this build.

[DiabolicSal]

Well I'm lvl 78 and 1:7 like you mentioned and I must be honest I die pretty fast but I'm spear when I shoiuld be s/s. But the nukes from s/s when your hybrid just suck.

I don't pvp much though to be honest. But if it was a build for pvp I'd go for 80-85% mag bal and use a spear. I've seen some great pvp videos from people with this build.

So you are saying a good hybrid spear build would be 5:1? That's 85% naked. 100% with Full INT and 70% Phy with Full STR. I think I'll go 5:1.

[Canabyss]

Yes, pvp wise It's very good. Better than just stood nuking as a pure int.

Plus you should have enough MP to use snow sheild and you'll have extra HP and good crits and a good choice of skills.

[DiabolicSal]

Yes, pvp wise It's very good. Better than just stood nuking as a pure int.

Plus you should have enough MP to use snow sheild and you'll have extra HP and good crits and a good choice of skills.

Yeah, seems like a fun build to PvP with. Quick question, hopefully you can answer it. I am going 80 cold. But since im Hybrid, im not sure if I should max snow shield to 50% or 40% or somewhere in between. I dont wanna run out of MP while PvPing. I was actually thinking of just doing Freeze lvl. 3-4. 40-44% consumption. Not 50%. Not sure. If I wear Garments will that help me use max snow? Or will that be my downfall against Pure Str characters?

[Canabyss]

I'd go prot or maybe even armor...

Not sure on the snow but I'm 1:7 and don't even come close to running out of MP so you should be okay with maxing it.

[bakafish]

Pure INT, cap rise will kill Hybrids.

[DiabolicSal]

Pure INT, cap rise will kill Hybrids.

You say it as if you have played it so. Don't judge until youve played the build. I just want a fun PvP build. All builds have str's and weaknesse**.

[Canabyss]

Pure INT, cap rise will kill Hybrids.

True, and why I restarted as a glavie. R.I.P Canabyss =(

Shame though... Hybrid spear is a good build at 80 cap imo.

[DiabolicSal]

Pure INT, cap rise will kill Hybrids.

True, and why I restarted as a glavie. R.I.P Canabyss =(

Shame though... Hybrid spear is a good build at 80 cap imo.

So you are giving up on a lvl 78 account?

[Canabyss]

Pure INT, cap rise will kill Hybrids.

True, and why I restarted as a glavie. R.I.P Canabyss =(

Shame though... Hybrid spear is a good build at 80 cap imo.

So you are giving up on a lvl 78 account?

Already did yes, I like to hunt uniques and let's face it It's rare a hybrid gets a Yarkan kill.

Hybrids spear is great at pvp but 1:7 is too heavy and dies easily as spear and as s/s I'd probably never even get an Isy kill let alone Yarkan. So I restarted.

[DiabolicSal]

Pure INT, cap rise will kill Hybrids.

True, and why I restarted as a glavie. R.I.P Canabyss =(

Shame though... Hybrid spear is a good build at 80 cap imo.

So you are giving up on a lvl 78 account?

Already did yes, I like to hunt uniques and let's face it It's rare a hybrid gets a Yarkan kill.

Hybrids spear is great at pvp but 1:7 is too heavy and dies easily as spear and as s/s I'd probably never even get an Isy kill let alone Yarkan. So I restarted.

What makes you think a pure str glaive is gonna give you better chances?

I think you should just follow through with it.

[Wello27]

With new skills and Euro Clerics.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO GO HYBRID

[DiabolicSal]

With new skills and Euro Clerics.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO GO HYBRID

I love how everyone just states things. Any proof o back this up? I need some sort of skill data thing. Because im pure int atm, but I wanna make sure pure int spear is the way to go.

[whitesnow]

Pure int spear might be decent up till 100cap without fire. You'll probably die a lot to both glaivers and nukers if your stuns and knockbacks dont go off, but its a chance you have to take with heuksal. You'll do high damage but you'll be very dependent on stuns.

Hybrids are out of the question. You would need cold lightning fire and heuksal to support a hybrid char...and thats not going to be effective once the level cap gets raised past 80.

[MrFudge]

all the ksro vids show ridiculous chinese orgys with like 3 rows of buffs.

it really doesnt seem like going hybrid will help you stay alive since uve already got all that buff shit on you, it will just make you lose damage.

[DiabolicSal]

all the ksro vids show ridiculous chinese orgys with like 3 rows of buffs.

it really doesnt seem like going hybrid will help you stay alive since uve already got all that buff shit on you, it will just make you lose damage.

See, I could careless about Euro buffs. If you can't kill me with your own farmed up buffs, that makes you pathetic. I mean I want a build for straight up 1v1 PvP, with your own farmed skills. No cleric or warrior or whatever bullshit buffs. Why Pure Int? I mean there must be something about it. I mean you guys are just saying a build because the next person says it too. That makes no sense. Any back up to your theories? Besides watching a bunch of Ksro Euro Buffed Job wars?

[Casey613]

Diabolic, I have the same problem as you man.. I'm level 62 and I'm a pure int spearman.. at first I thought about going hybrid but I didn't realize the new level cap might change things a bit.. now I'm confused, I don't know id I should stay pure and go s/s or switch to hybrid with 85% naked mag. bal. and keep the spear..

Also, this WILL sound noobish but.. someone explain the 7:1, 5:1, 2:1.. I have no clue what that means

[DiabolicSal]

Diabolic, I have the same problem as you man.. I'm level 62 and I'm a pure int spearman.. at first I thought about going hybrid but I didn't realize the new level cap might change things a bit.. now I'm confused, I don't know id I should stay pure and go s/s or switch to hybrid with 85% naked mag. bal. and keep the spear..

Also, this WILL sound noobish but.. someone explain the 7:1, 5:1, 2:1.. I have no clue what that means

First number means Int, Second means Str when talking about nukers. So:

5:1 = 5 Int 1 Str Every 2 lvls.

For example: lvl 1 - lvl 2 - Add Alll 3 points into Int.

lvl. 2 - lvl 3 - Add 2 Int (Making it 5 Int in total) and 1 Str (Making it 1 Str in total).

Get it?

Im so confused. Im only lvl 29 pure int spear. I know I want to stay spear. Not s/s. I dont like s/s, too boring. I had a lvl 70 s/s. Im not sure if I should do pure, 7:1 or 5:1

[_Scarlett_]

Diabolic, I have the same problem as you man.. I'm level 62 and I'm a pure int spearman.. at first I thought about going hybrid but I didn't realize the new level cap might change things a bit.. now I'm confused, I don't know id I should stay pure and go s/s or switch to hybrid with 85% naked mag. bal. and keep the spear..

Also, this WILL sound noobish but.. someone explain the 7:1, 5:1, 2:1.. I have no clue what that means

7:1 - For every 1 str you add, you will add 7 int (basically 70 lvls pure int, 10 pure str; end up with 87% mag balance)

5:1 - For every 1 str you add, you'll add 5 int (no idea about the mag. balance on this one lol)

2:1 - You get the idea with the str and int by now ^,^, and also I don't know the mag. balance on thise one naked either.

[_Scarlett_]

With new skills and Euro Clerics.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO GO HYBRID

Sounds like it's going to return to what it was like when I started to play: It was all about being 'pure'. The ol' pure str or pure int...I didn't even know about, nor was I ever suggested to build a hybrid till near 80 cap release.

[DiabolicSal]

With new skills and Euro Clerics.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO GO HYBRID

Sounds like it's going to return to what it was like when I started to play: It was all about being 'pure'. The ol' pure str or pure int...I didn't even know about, nor was I ever suggested to build a hybrid till near 80 cap release.

Pure Str rocks. Its a simple to run build. But boring at the same time. I want a fun and exciting build. If I have pure int spear, will it survive with 50% snow shield? Or will I die? Will my weapon attacks do severe damage? As in I can nuke and do a spin attack to kill a same lvl glavier with same gear? How will that work out?

[-.-]

heh...

just wondering... but you guys are basing the balances 1:7, 1:5 from lv 80 cap...

wouldnt the new caps also change hybrid balances since more blues can be used for str/int/hp/mp so maybe you can go 90% mag and still have decent hp...

stick with pure int... at very least you can go str from 80->90 and have a hybrid for new cap

[Sylhana]

Pure Str rocks. Its a simple to run build. But boring at the same time. I want a fun and exciting build. If I have pure int spear, will it survive with 50% snow shield? Or will I die? Will my weapon attacks do severe damage? As in I can nuke and do a spin attack to kill a same lvl glavier with same gear? How will that work out?

Pure int spear wearing garms with ice, light, heuksal masteries, could tank another chi int based char without snow shield, but will almost always die 1~2 hit against a euro wizard even with snow 50%. Against pure str chi chars, even with 50% snow, you will still not be able to tank effectively if in garms. If you use prot, even with 50% snow shield, you couldnt tank effectively. More often than not, regardless of armor type your shield makes a difference. Not just the blocking aspect, but the extra defense a shield offers.

S/s pure int or int heavy chars have access to bicheon skill debuffs, that could enable them to nuke just as hard as a pure int weilding a spear. No, I'm not theorizing here, I've tried this out with my pure int lvl 80 char, and juggle the masteries around several times. The best combination I had max light, ice 70, bicheon 73, heuksal 70, but this wouldnt pass for a 90 cap.

The only advantage a pure int spear chi char would have is a good support nuke type char. S/s would make a better 1on1 pvper.

OT: as -.- mention, you could always go hybrid later on from 80 to 90. Stick to pure int up to lvl 80 for now, until you can get more concrete pvp data when 90 cap comes around.

[DiabolicSal]

Pure Str rocks. Its a simple to run build. But boring at the same time. I want a fun and exciting build. If I have pure int spear, will it survive with 50% snow shield? Or will I die? Will my weapon attacks do severe damage? As in I can nuke and do a spin attack to kill a same lvl glavier with same gear? How will that work out?

Pure int spear wearing garms with ice, light, heuksal masteries, could tank another chi int based char without snow shield, but will almost always die 1~2 hit against a euro wizard even with snow 50%. Against pure str chi chars, even with 50% snow, you will still not be able to tank effectively if in garms. If you use prot, even with 50% snow shield, you couldnt tank effectively. More often than not, regardless of armor type your shield makes a difference. Not just the blocking aspect, but the extra defense a shield offers.

S/s pure int or int heavy chars have access to bicheon skill debuffs, that could enable them to nuke just as hard as a pure int weilding a spear. No, I'm not theorizing here, I've tried this out with my pure int lvl 80 char, and juggle the masteries around several times. The best combination I had max light, ice 70, bicheon 73, heuksal 70, but this wouldnt pass for a 90 cap.

The only advantage a pure int spear chi char would have is a good support nuke type char. S/s would make a better 1on1 pvper.

OT: as -.- mention, you could always go hybrid later on from 80 to 90. Stick to pure int up to lvl 80 for now, until you can get more concrete pvp data when 90 cap comes around.

I was thinking of a 7:1 hybrid. Since that isn't much of a difference. Full farmed I should be able to tank with protector. As long as I can get a kb or stun in, it's good enough to take out my opponent. Of course, w/o snow, im dead. I want the battle to be a fast battle. Not a long and boring one. I hate wasting pots that way xP.

[-.-]

take a wizard/rogue for fast fights... you kill or get killed within 5 or 6 turns lol

[Airbeat]

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Uhm..
Let me tell you something..
Im pure int spear lvl 80 in Garment.
I have 9 gap.
I have Snow Shield 40 % ..
Full farmed 80 glaviers have no chance to kill me with snow shield on
Oh well, doesnt really matter anyway, as i kill them with nuke+mars with sun+7 spear (not mine)

I would recommend to go pure int to 70, then make your choice..
A few levels str wouldnt hurt your nukes..

[DiabolicSal]

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Uhm..
Let me tell you something..
Im pure int spear lvl 80 in Garment.
I have 9 gap.
I have Snow Shield 40 % ..
Full farmed 80 glaviers have no chance to kill me with snow shield on
Oh well, doesnt really matter anyway, as i kill them with nuke+mars with sun+7 spear (not mine)

I would recommend to go pure int to 70, then make your choice..
A few levels str wouldnt hurt your nukes..

This is what I need. In game conformation. Except I would like you to post what you would do without SoSun. Im guessing go 7:1. But then again I'm not sure. I'll run this till inspection is over. Then i'll make my decision. Im going pure int till 60 for sure. Then i'll decide what I should do. That means 2:1 is out of the question.