rogue's tanking ability

Jstar1 · Post by **Jstar1** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:45 pm

seriously what is the main thing that keeps rogues from tanking? rogues are full str but mine cant tank at all. Not even 3 white mobs with xbow xtreme turned off

is it the light armor? I chose rogue because it could kill and also because it was full str (so it could tank) but its like wizard, just gets murdered by 2 or 3 white mobs

DragonTalon · Post by **DragonTalon** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:47 pm

Rogue= Hit and run. Dagger desperate is the total opposite of tanking...

ltrbojevic · Post by **ltrbojevic** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:49 pm

Jstar1 wrote:seriously what is the main thing that keeps rogues from tanking? rogues are full str but mine cant tank at all. Not even 3 white mobs with xbow xtreme turned off

is it the light armor? I chose rogue because it could kill and also because it was full str (so it could tank) but its like wizard, just gets murdered by 2 or 3 white mobs

You aren't suppose to be able to tank
With crossbow the point is not to get hit, even without crossbow extreme
With dagger the point also isn't to tank, but to kill

DragonTalon · Post by **DragonTalon** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:50 pm

They're basically Pure Str nukers that use melee for nukes

Quyxz · Post by **Quyxz** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:53 pm

ANd it is also because of pot delay.

Jstar1 · Post by **Jstar1** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:54 pm

DragonTalon wrote:They're basically Pure Str nukers that use melee for nukes

that explains it thanks

DragonTalon · Post by **DragonTalon** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:56 pm

Jstar1 wrote:
DragonTalon wrote:They're basically Pure Str nukers that use melee for nukes

that explains it thanks

And btw dont solo... Im not a rogue but from what I hear you get hit alot if you're using daggers. Get a cleric or 2.

ranger4life · Post by **ranger4life** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:05 am

omfg
of rogues truly hit as high as a nuke...then ..heres the comparison

rogue:
high hp (invincible to MOST classes)
low mp but cost of skills lower
nukes hitting hard
hp delay

Nuker:
low hp
high mp
nukes hitting hard
no hp delay

could the rogue.....oh god.....i HAVE to try rogue

Jstar1 · Post by **Jstar1** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:06 am

ranger4life wrote:omfg
of rogues truly hit as high as a nuke...then ..heres the comparison

rogue:
high hp (invincible to MOST classes)
low mp but cost of skills lower
nukes hitting hard
hp delay

Nuker:
low hp
high mp
nukes hitting hard
no hp delay

could the rogue.....oh god.....i HAVE to try rogue

have fun doing rogue, be prepared to die a lot when using XE or DD

IowU · Post by **IowU** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:09 am

so u just now noticed that euros got 15s potion delay?
be happy that we didnt get 25s pot delay as it was on ksro at the begining...

well w/o desperate/xbow xtreme i can tank a lot... 4-5mobs o0 but i dun wear npc stuff...

EngravedDemon · Post by **EngravedDemon** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:11 am

Rogues should try magic attack monsters...

Both extremes only takes off hp and pdef... not mdef... LoL!

And rogue with cleric sub should be ok...

Hitman144 · Post by **Hitman144** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:11 am

rogues do the lowest damage at low lvl and worst tanking at low lvl

but at 40++ they start doing good damage and can stand mobs for a few secs

at 60++ damge is amazing and they kill mobs before it even attks them

DragonTalon · Post by **DragonTalon** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:14 am

EngravedDemon wrote:Rogues should try magic attack monsters...

Both extremes only takes off hp and pdef... not mdef...

Well shit that definately explains why nukers cant kill rogues :banghead:

bigbamboo · Post by **bigbamboo** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:55 am

Well being a rogue(Xbow) at lvl 39 without recovery division I could already tank giants..U gotta play it smart and use Knockback alot,when u get Knockdown skill that too.But most important if you want to tank as a rogue,Get Cleric subclass,When soloing Save bless for giants/party mobs and voila.

u want that tankformula:

[Rogue]Recovery division+Bless+Clerics Permanent HUGE phy def/mag def increases=A Rogue that can tank for shizzle.

Don't believe me?
Just watch Juey's vids without the cleric tree...Imagine what it would be with the cleric tree...amen..

EngravedDemon · Post by **EngravedDemon** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:09 am

bigbamboo wrote:Well being a rogue(Xbow) at lvl 39 without recovery division I could already tank giants..U gotta play it smart and use Knockback alot,when u get Knockdown skill that too.But most important if you want to tank as a rogue,Get Cleric subclass,When soloing Save bless for giants/party mobs and voila.

u want that tankformula:

[Rogue]Recovery division+Bless+Clerics Permanent HUGE phy def/mag def increases=A Rogue that can tank for shizzle.

Don't believe me?
Just watch Juey's vids without the cleric tree...Imagine what it would be with the cleric tree...amen..

The cleric light armor passive is for buffs, not directly applied to you nor can you buff yourself and switch weapon without losing the buffs.

bigbamboo · Post by **bigbamboo** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:03 pm

I meant glory and favor armor..not the blessing series..w/e Recovery & Bless > Noise & Speed..

poehalcho · Post by **poehalcho** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:23 pm

hitman144 wrote:rogues do the lowest damage at low lvl and worst tanking at low lvl

but at 40++ they start doing good damage and can stand mobs for a few secs

at 60++ damge is amazing and they kill mobs before it even attks them

...not true

i am lvl 26 rogue. i can stand pretty wel against mobs if im not using dd, xe. I can 2hit a mob with dd before it ever hit's me. i can 1hit a mob with xe. i even once killed a lvl 40 warrior that was wearing the same degree armor and weapons in pvp. if i have trouble with ranged mobs (evil order archers) i first send my dog to distract them and then hit them with my daggers.

Double_D · Post by **Double_D** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:55 pm

DragonTalon wrote:
EngravedDemon wrote:Rogues should try magic attack monsters...

Both extremes only takes off hp and pdef... not mdef...
Well shit that definately explains why nukers cant kill rogues

wtf are you talking about dude? did you even play or play against or even seen a rogue?
dagger desperate reduce both phy and MAGICAL defence, i dont play with xbow but am pretty sure xbow extreme also reduce mag def like phy def

Double_D · Post by **Double_D** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:58 pm

bigbamboo wrote:I meant glory and favor armor..not the blessing series..w/e Recovery & Bless > Noise & Speed..

they need both light armor and cleric rod so they dont work while weilding daggers/xbow

xene · Post by **xene** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:02 pm

Jstar1 wrote:
ranger4life wrote:omfg
of rogues truly hit as high as a nuke...then ..heres the comparison

rogue:
high hp (invincible to MOST classes)
low mp but cost of skills lower
nukes hitting hard
hp delay

Nuker:
low hp
high mp
nukes hitting hard
no hp delay

could the rogue.....oh god.....i HAVE to try rogue

have fun doing rogue, be prepared to die a lot when using XE or DD

euhm i have a mage and rogue dies much much lesser then a mage tbh.. rogue si pretty good dont die so much.

HakubiNi · Post by **HakubiNi** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:04 pm

Actually...

Dagger desperate reduces phy def and mag def.

Crossbow extreme reduces HP and phy def.

I remember they're both different. I can't confirm now which is which, but I know it's something around that context.

mahumps · Post by **mahumps** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:07 pm

you people happen to know the meaning of rouge? it means untouchable so the idea is kill fast don't let ur enemies touch u..

poehalcho wrote:
hitman144 wrote:rogues do the lowest damage at low lvl and worst tanking at low lvl

but at 40++ they start doing good damage and can stand mobs for a few secs

at 60++ damge is amazing and they kill mobs before it even attks them

...not true

i am lvl 26 rogue. i can stand pretty wel against mobs if im not using dd, xe. I can 2hit a mob with dd before it ever hit's me. i can 1hit a mob with xe. i even once killed a lvl 40 warrior that was wearing the same degree armor and weapons in pvp. if i have trouble with ranged mobs (evil order archers) i first send my dog to distract them and then hit them with my daggers.

nice explaination mate..

MrFudge · Post by **MrFudge** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:42 pm

HakubiNi wrote:Actually...

Dagger desperate reduces phy def and mag def., but keeps your HP at 100%

Crossbow extreme reduces HP and phy def, but keeps your mag def intact

torinchibi · Post by **torinchibi** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:09 pm

DragonTalon wrote:
EngravedDemon wrote:Rogues should try magic attack monsters...

Both extremes only takes off hp and pdef... not mdef...
Well shit that definately explains why nukers cant kill rogues

Crossbow Extreme is only 40% p. def reduce... but Dagger Desperate is 75% reduce of both p.def and m.def. Which is what makes crossbow rogues better at PvP, especially against nukers. Quite frankly, I think the m.def decrease was missed on CE, or they just didn't include it because of the halfing of the HP.

Rogues Cannot tank simply because they have no shield and the 7 sec pot delay. If you have a good set you are a much better tanker than any of the chinese str ppl that wear protectors or garments, since light armor has more p.def than garments and more of both defenses compared to protectors. With 3 white mobs on you, you can only take 2 rounds of hits before potting, then another 2 rounds after and then, another 2 rounds after you use vigor. By that time, the hp pot is at 2-3 sec delay and you end up dying if you are not moving around to buy some time...I don't see why you would need to tank, but if you want to just sit there and take it get a warrior or something. That's not a very smart strategy imo and you should have realized after killing yourself a few times doing that.

MrFudge · Post by **MrFudge** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:11 pm

or you could howling shout everything around you as a s/s warrior and then shield crush everything and watch 5 monsters fly back at once :love:

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