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The Truth must be told.

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:21 am
by Marce_
After 7 months of lvling, jobbing, unique hunting, and pvping, I have decided to quit my main character Marce. I got to lvl. 70 grinding. Made many friendships and many enemies. Supported teamwork and frowned upon botting and gold buying. I will start a new charcter. As the title of my thread says... the truth is that STR defeats INT in pvp.

My primary goal in SRO is to be one of the greatest in pvp and in unique hunting. As I have experience a share of the builds pie, I've come to the conclusion that Pure Str Bow is a really powerful build and is also great for unique hunting. I am stalling all my gear and will probably make about 500m gold plus as much with my new character. I am hoping that I will come up with enough money to buy a lvl. 72 +7 Crit 10 80% phy attack or a SoSun bow.

I told myself and Im dedicated to not job, pvp, or unique hunt until I get to the lvl. where 8D begins...also known as lvl 64. I might buy an SOS Bow just to lvl faster in the begining of my 8D goal. As of my characters name and identity I would like to begin a new beggining so it will be kept secret. No one shall know that I am Marce and see what new enemies and friendships I make on Sparta. I love Sparta and i'll stay in it.

Now I know you guys were like who cares? Why make a thread. I just wanted to get your imput on bow builds. What's best. Whats needed to own with it..and so forth. I'd really appreciate it and thanks in advance.

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:25 am
by Rainigul
You should make a new account and if you have 2 computers, you can powerlevel yourself :) Yup, that works out pretty well.

Then when you're like level 60 from powerleveling (like 2 weeks :D) you can stall all your crap and then hand-grind.

yeah, bows are pretty damn badass, I wish you good luck.

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:25 am
by .AWAKE.
search for liquid's post on his bow , he pretty much owns all.

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:29 am
by Marce_
[SD]Rainigul wrote:You should make a new account and if you have 2 computers, you can powerlevel yourself :) Yup, that works out pretty well.

Then when you're like level 60 from powerleveling (like 2 weeks :D) you can stall all your crap and then hand-grind.

yeah, bows are pretty damn badass, I wish you good luck.


You really think i'll hit lvl 60 in two weeks? How many hours should I be pvling myself?

@Easy_Lady yea I will thx.

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:30 am
by Rainigul
Marce_ wrote:
[SD]Rainigul wrote:You should make a new account and if you have 2 computers, you can powerlevel yourself :) Yup, that works out pretty well.

Then when you're like level 60 from powerleveling (like 2 weeks :D) you can stall all your crap and then hand-grind.

yeah, bows are pretty damn badass, I wish you good luck.


You really think i'll hit lvl 60 in two weeks? How many hours should I be pvling myself?

@Easy_Lady yea I will thx.


If you use a gt you can do it with only like 3 hours a day.

Got myself to level 20 by pleveling myself in only an hour, didn't even use gt.

But then again, I used a lower level character for pleveling (if you didn't know, that's more effective).

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:33 am
by IowU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV8SWKau4aU

yea the turth is out there str deafeats int? so where exactly is it?

think again...

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:42 am
by Marce_
IowU wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV8SWKau4aU

yea the turth is out there str deafeats int? so where exactly is it?

think again...


Get me a lvl. 64 +5 SoSun Bow with 17 crit and full blued SoSun +5 garment and watch me kill that Xeta or whatever his name was in less than 30 seconds.

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:46 am
by IowU
what makes u think u gona be better than farmed Siron?
he got Sun bow +5 and sun garment set he still go down in face to face dmg...

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:03 am
by Marce_
IowU wrote:what makes u think u gona be better than farmed Siron?
he got Sun bow +5 and sun garment set he still go down in face to face dmg...


Because I will. I noticed that Siron had mana shield... Hybrid perhaps?

I also noticed he did 2 crits through out the whole 3 rounds that were slightly noticeable. Highest Crit was 5.8k.

Maybe crit sucks on that bow?

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:07 am
by Hellzowner
The bow dude DID run out of using moves often, probably because he thought he didnt need em, im Str bow and it ownz in PVP and PVE.

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:23 am
by Fat_Smurf
str own int in pvp? since when? lawl u gotta be pure int psear in garm :roll:

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:26 am
by Hellzowner
The guy in that vid above sucks anyway, he should be using ONLY NUKES, not 1 lightning nuke then using spear moves the whole time >.>

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:26 am
by Rainigul
Fat_Smurf wrote:str own int in pvp? since when? lawl u gotta be pure int psear in garm :roll:


Uhhh... Bow's always been the destroyer of int, lol.

Strongbow=dead int.

Int's cool, but yeah, bow's better.

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:31 am
by tedtwilliger
[SD]Rainigul wrote:
Fat_Smurf wrote:str own int in pvp? since when? lawl u gotta be pure int psear in garm :roll:


Uhhh... Bow's always been the destroyer of int, lol.

Strongbow=dead int.

Int's cool, but yeah, bow's better.


s/s + mana sheild = intls still have a chance

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:35 am
by IowU
Siron bow as far as i remember is 16crt and he is full str with fully pimped eq...
he were using 20+% mana shield to survive more than 20s

runing technique dont pass exam also especialy when u fighting against full sun set+5 int hyb (tested by Siron and XMAT):
-dmg is to low even when he has 2crts in row
-2mins running and waiting till ms will end ? hm int hyb can run also (1min and poof ms recovered...)

fact is that best way to test build is in face to face dmg...
bow is very nice build but same as glavier int hyb on spear and full int on sword even blader isnt so bad after all...
only one thing counts: sun+5/+7 wep and as much suns u can put on...

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:44 am
by Fat_Smurf
[SD]Rainigul wrote:
Fat_Smurf wrote:str own int in pvp? since when? lawl u gotta be pure int psear in garm :roll:


Uhhh... Bow's always been the destroyer of int, lol.

Strongbow=dead int.

Int's cool, but yeah, bow's better.

well bower can be compared to glaver but the only point they have is the knockback that kick in more often.


but they are missing hp and the fan.

so a s/s using his shield buff + snow shield would easily pwn the bower imo

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:52 am
by DragonTalon
Hellzowner wrote:The guy in that vid above sucks anyway, he should be using ONLY NUKES, not 1 lightning nuke then using spear moves the whole time >.>
No way... Using only nukes would be a VERY stupid idea... If you only rely on nukes for PvP then consider yourself screwed cause nukes are just high damage. That glaiver could have stunned him a million times if he just spammed nukes. He played pretty smart when he used that Windless spear thing.

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:36 am
by Marce_
Fat_Smurf wrote:
[SD]Rainigul wrote:
Fat_Smurf wrote:str own int in pvp? since when? lawl u gotta be pure int psear in garm :roll:


Uhhh... Bow's always been the destroyer of int, lol.

Strongbow=dead int.

Int's cool, but yeah, bow's better.

well bower can be compared to glaver but the only point they have is the knockback that kick in more often.


but they are missing hp and the fan.

so a s/s using his shield buff + snow shield would easily pwn the bower imo


Not if you can't get two good nukes in since you're getting kb all the damn time.

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:40 am
by [AoW]ForLife
Before the new skills, hybrid sword could beat pure str bow pretty easily. With the knew knockback there's a new advantage for the bow. Pure str bow does NOT own the game, by any means, but it is definitely an excellent build. I highly doubt that sun bow in the vid was hybrid: his damage was rather low, he was wearing garments, and he used glaive before. Also a lot of STR builds use mana shield.
For int to beat a str char, they MUST use weapon skills (unless they totally outgear the str) and nukes only at certain points in the battle, particularly when the str char cannot KD, KB, or stun them.

P.S. I know a lot of 80 INT's who do very very well against pure str chars, bows included, when they use a good mana shield.

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:58 am
by Marce_
[AoW]ForLife wrote:Before the new skills, hybrid sword could beat pure str bow pretty easily. With the knew knockback there's a new advantage for the bow. Pure str bow does NOT own the game, by any means, but it is definitely an excellent build. I highly doubt that sun bow in the vid was hybrid: his damage was rather low, he was wearing garments, and he used glaive before. Also a lot of STR builds use mana shield.
For int to beat a str char, they MUST use weapon skills (unless they totally outgear the str) and nukes only at certain points in the battle, particularly when the str char cannot KD, KB, or stun them.

P.S. I know a lot of 80 INT's who do very very well against pure str chars, bows included, when they use a good mana shield.


Thats the thing. After Mana Shield its usually death.

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:04 am
by MiKe 51-50
To be int like xmat you need lots of money and awesome sosun gear. With str build, you can do with normal +4-+5 set +7 weapon and be effective enough and stay alive more then an int.

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:20 am
by Marce_
MiKe 51-50 wrote:To be int like xmat you need lots of money and awesome sosun gear. With str build, you can do with normal +4-+5 set +7 weapon and be effective enough and stay alive more then an int.


With a bow you'll simply kb when they get within nuking range cause you'll have longer range and you'll strong bow and anti devil the shit out of INTS. They'll be dead by then.

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:38 am
by foudre
lol int wizzard
FEAR< FLAME THROWER< DEAD,
if fear fails then wizzard = screwed

but ya an int chinese should use weapon skills because after the first nuke the str is in range and you arn't getting away usually, and the nukes are alot slower then slam, combo spin,

edit :
though i quit my chinese nuker, for europe and a new server, europe is just more fun for some reason, but ya i know what you mean, about ints and pvp, i've been basicly int thru most of my builds, but the ints can win but they have to be more carefull rather then str's, well to be a brute takes little thought, to be a int user you have to play a little smarter too, though I like my wizzard i'm making a warrior/ cleric right now to win out in pvp (capes pvp doens't count) only pvp i consider worth doing is job related, 2 handed warrior blesses himself, and rushes at you knockdown slam, high damage and a defense, enough to help beat out a higher lvl opponent, only within reason still, and well its only lvl 23 right now and 70% to 24 where i can get bless, i've seen this done before and its basicly not beatable with in a decent level range, unless you can get away, only way i got away from that theif was the the fact i teleported the last 10meters into town, that skills is handy,

i know what you mean with the changing to str, but stil lint is fun to play, and i can still nuke away and beat higher lvl people, but not like a 2 hander can beat out higher lvl thanks to knockdown, i don't really care about the best pvp, i'm just trying to have fun, and the only rank i'm shooting for is highest hunter, i made 13th last week, but i am still focusing on getting up there before i go out, luckily there arn't many high lvls on our server yet, except for a few people already on the iron clad horses and all chinese for some reason (lol, not accusing any one of anything but seams odd how china is full of bots, and already we get near caped players coming out of china)

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:43 am
by 4chan
What are you talking about? A post like this is good to see once in a while, it shows how dedicated a person is to a game and how much time you'll put into making a new character ^^

We need more of these :P

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:09 am
by [AoW]ForLife
Marce_ wrote:Thats the thing. After Mana Shield its usually death.

My opinion is that it depends more on the player and gears. For example: one of my good friends in Pacific is an almost-farmed, pure str bow. He's got a +7 72 bow and fully pimped +5 set (almost max str too). He has crit yarkan for 46k in zerk, so his crits aren't exactly weak. However, even HE hates when a good int hybrid with equivalent gears is using mana shield, because if played right they can give him a run for his money. It depends a lot on how you play if you make good split-second decisions. Knowledge of the moves is pretty important in PvP. I say this having observed two prior (and current) GNG participants, including cuchulain himself, them being my guildies in AoW.

Although I still see where you're coming from switching, having played many nukers. I just wouldn't do it myself, because I really like the INT build once it's hybridized.

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:16 am
by Marce_
[AoW]ForLife wrote:
Marce_ wrote:Thats the thing. After Mana Shield its usually death.

My opinion is that it depends more on the player and gears. For example: one of my good friends in Pacific is an almost-farmed, pure str bow. He's got a +7 72 bow and fully pimped +5 set (almost max str too). He has crit yarkan for 46k in zerk, so his crits aren't exactly weak. However, even HE hates when a good int hybrid with equivalent gears is using mana shield, because if played right they can give him a run for his money. It depends a lot on how you play if you make good split-second decisions. Knowledge of the moves is pretty important in PvP. I say this having observed two prior (and current) GNG participants, including cuchulain himself, them being my guildies in AoW.

Although I still see where you're coming from switching, having played many nukers. I just wouldn't do it myself, because I really like the INT build once it's hybridized.


Well of course it takes strategy with ANY build. Like in pure str bow you'd have to time when to use ur kb and when to use strong bow and devil bow as well as anti devil.

I like INTS too, I just thing if you can tank better its better.

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:22 am
by Rizla

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:25 am
by Marce_
Rizla wrote:http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewforum.php?f=4


Im not really asking for help on a bow build. Im making this a "debate, not flame" thread about our opinions on INT and STR based builds and how they cope in the game.

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:29 am
by tedtwilliger
Marce_ wrote:
Rizla wrote:http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewforum.php?f=4


Im not really asking for help on a bow build. Im making this a "debate, not flame" thread about our opinions on INT and STR based builds and how they cope in the game.


Marce_ wrote:Now I know you guys were like who cares? Why make a thread. I just wanted to get your input on bow builds. What's best. Whats needed to own with it..and so forth. I'd really appreciate it and thanks in advance.


:roll:

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:30 am
by Rizla
Marce_ wrote:
Rizla wrote:http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewforum.php?f=4


Im not really asking for help on a bow build.


Marce_ wrote:Now I know you guys were like who cares? Why make a thread. I just wanted to get your imput on bow builds. What's best. Whats needed to own with it..and so forth. I'd really appreciate it and thanks in advance.


K. l2forum imo but whatever floats your boat.