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How alchemy works actualy

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:41 pm
by Stephanus
(Secrets are given by Excsajom, Hokage of the 7Shinobi guild - Eldorado)

"Most important skill in sro above all... patience"


Many ppl will hate me for this :twisted:

How to rondo d4 stuff and get with 80-90% probablity wind/water4?

How to do perfect blues and lose only a few stones?

If you do alchemy, its sure you experienced, that there are good times and bad times. This was the first thing that gave me some toughts.
Coz this includes, that alchemy is turnbased... no... not exactly, its more like
tide and ebb and wawes on a shore:)

So i begun to experiment on my d4 drops... and finaly, i get the right timespan.
Here it goes:
First, slowly rondo cheap stuff, like glowes, and such(low amount of element given) until you get your first wind4...
(The most important thing here is a lagfree environment.)
Next thing is, you watch the glowing whatever in your alchemy box as you rondo something.
After or on the moment the last light wanishes, you click on fuse again(so you have to be quick, coz the next item must be in the box before the light wanishes).
Gl with that method. ;)

"Do not rush, approach quietly, slowly"

Perfect blues:
Dont just spam stones! If not succesfull, stop, or after half a minute try again... if no success, stop for that hour/day, it depends.

Now, this is a bit more difficult to do. Coz you have to wait for the tide.
(tide = the average chance to succesfully fuse a stone) and, if you are lucky, you can catch a good wawe(the max result of a succesfull fusing).
So, here is my method:
you make lots of cheap stones, like d4 dodge stones:)
(only lvl3 elements needed)
or anything, what cheap is, immunity stones for example, and then, you start to fuse.
If the first two stone fuses, you have tide, if not, you have ebb, if there is only 1 succes, you are betveen tide and ebb.
So... use expensive stones only if you have 2 sucess in a row!
The next important thing is to ride a good wawe:)
(yeah, i like surfing)
Use cheap stones 'till you see the results are going up. As you reach almost 100% blues you start to use your expensive stones, like str/int/others an voila! a 100% blue will appear:)
If you catch a rly good wawe and you have a good wawe going up, just wait few seconds before every fusing, you will see the results are good:), even an assimilation will give you positive results(stats going up instead of going to 0%)

Thats it.
Excsajom bids you farewell and wishes you good luck.
:)

(You see NS? This how you make good posts ..I..)

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:58 pm
by OL_Spongey
And then you woke up?

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:59 pm
by realfoxboy
sound like total bs to me

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:01 pm
by _Shinigami_
thx for ur theory(opinion)>>>>>>alot of BS

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:04 pm
by Nantosh
Sorry to say it, but yes........complete bull.

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:06 pm
by killerkong
and then you let your monkey do that alchemy for a 90% success rate

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:09 pm
by NuclearSilo
:? :? :? :? :? :?
reexplain with human language plz

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:44 pm
by Anbu
I also heard that you can get sun+9 by dropping it in magic water of the hotan glitch river in an auto share party with a stranger, oh btw tommorrow there will be $100 bills raining and world hunger will end...


BS man >_>

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:51 pm
by jabbers
what is true about alchemy though is that it is that the probability is item-based.

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:55 pm
by g0d
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Each item has his own success/fail rate,there is no trick.

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:24 am
by DS^
I think ur totally stoned dude !!

Where did u read this, surfers magazine ? lol

seriously how do you know it ?

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:30 am
by mypride
wat the **** did u juz say?

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:30 am
by b0nj0vi
com'on guys, he's just trying to share his experiences, at least he's sharing. give him a break.

but seriously, just as ppl have been cooking up 'sure-win' casino programs since the beginning of time, players have been trying to figure out sro alchemy since this game began.

but he's certainly right in at least one aspect, patience. too often i've seen ppl blow 50 stones in one shot with half of them failures. just like in some casino games, do not go against the flow. once you find yourself in a fail streak, stop. wait. try again later. i know sometimes it is very hard because you started off with a better equipment. you just cant rest until you 'fix' it. trust me, i understand this mindset cos its happened to me lots of times. but try cool down, take a step back. you may save more gold in the end.

now on to something more controversial, something of my own observation so you might not agree. if there's one blue stat you've been trying to fix, and the stone fails 5,6,7 times, dont fret. because the 1 stone when it hits success very often goes to 100%. this is from my experience. but note that this only applies to alchemic stones ie green stones eg str,int,stamina. attribute stones ie red stones are a different story. remember challenge? block? failx10 then success 0%->0% zzz

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:19 am
by Ice771x
heres my input to the thread



w =/= v

kthxbye

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:31 am
by x_iCe_x
....

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:49 am
by Mya
He's just sharing his thought. Calm down guys! :D He didn't force you to follow his method, did he?

Anyway, it's "wave," not "wawe." :D

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:11 am
by Cloverleaf
Some people still don't get what random means.

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:00 am
by Sylhana
IT IS RANDOM

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:03 am
by Amelie
Sylhana wrote:IT IS RANDOM



+ beyond infinity!

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:21 am
by NuclearSilo
Ask D2U for the alchemy formula. End of story :roll:

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:52 pm
by Stephanus
You see, im from Hungary, and still learning english, so i might had made many failures and i apologize for this, but you know, the way you ppl handling this is a bit cocky.

Csak mert én is mondhatnám, hogy beszéljetek magyarul, meg hogy nem vagytok mások, mint szardobáló agynélküli majmok hordája, but..
^^^^^^^
( This means in enlgish: "i could say the same, so "speak hungarian you brainless thrashtalking horde of apes"..")


but still, i write in english. :)

The second thing is, do you rly, rly, 100% believe jm????
RLY?
No more questions. Burn me, im a heretic, i deserve death for giving you hideous toughts.
I ask you ppl kindly to prove im wrong. If you prove that all my thoughts here are failures i will apologize and aknowledge jm's absolute justice.
Ill renounce all my ideas and throw out my brain on this window next to me.
Tyvm.

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:55 pm
by Amelie
Stephanus wrote:You see, im from Hungary, and still learning english, so i might had made many failures and i apologize for this, but you know, the way you ppl handling this is a bit cocky.

Csak mert én is mondhatnám, hogy beszéljetek magyarul, meg hogy nem vagytok mások, mint szardobáló agynélküli majmok hordája, but..
^^^^^^^
( This means in enlgish: "i could say the same, so "speak hungarian you brainless thrashtalking horde of apes"..")


but still, i write in english. :)

The second thing is, do you rly, rly, 100% believe jm????
RLY?
No more questions. Burn me, im a heretic, i deserve death for giving you hideous toughts.
I ask you ppl kindly to prove im wrong. If you prove that all my thoughts here are failures i will apologize and aknowledge jm's absolute justice.
Ill renounce all my ideas throw out my brain on this window next to me.
Tyvm.

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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:02 am
by »Justin«
NuclearSilo wrote:Ask D2U for the alchemy formula. End of story :roll:

More like "ask d2u how long she has ..." not gonna continue it :P

somone mind translating this moonspeak?

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:50 am
by NuclearSilo
I believe that there is a method, a trick for the success. Because i've myself experimented with that : when i was lvl about 48, i was able to ups deg 6 stuffs to +3. And i made 10 success and 2 fails so it's a probability of 80% with that method. U can ask my guildmates that im not lying. At that time, im very good in alchemy and i also made a guide for them. :wink:

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:56 am
by realfoxboy
NuclearSilo wrote:I believe that there is a method, a trick for the success. Because i've myself experimented with that : when i was lvl about 48, i was able to ups deg 6 stuffs to +3. And i made 10 success and 2 fails so it's a probability of 80% with that method. U can ask my guildmates that im not lying. At that time, im very good in alchemy and i also made a guide for them. :wink:


that is the definition of random...

ever thought that your iPod "prefers" some songs in shuffle mode?

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:59 am
by NuclearSilo
realfoxboy wrote:
NuclearSilo wrote:I believe that there is a method, a trick for the success. Because i've myself experimented with that : when i was lvl about 48, i was able to ups deg 6 stuffs to +3. And i made 10 success and 2 fails so it's a probability of 80% with that method. U can ask my guildmates that im not lying. At that time, im very good in alchemy and i also made a guide for them. :wink:


that is the definition of random...

ever thought that your iPod "prefers" some songs in shuffle mode?

So consider someone made a +10 weapon without astral & immortal is random and luck also. :wink:
Who believe just believe, and who doesnt just ignore it. 8)

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:06 am
by realfoxboy
NuclearSilo wrote:
realfoxboy wrote:
NuclearSilo wrote:I believe that there is a method, a trick for the success. Because i've myself experimented with that : when i was lvl about 48, i was able to ups deg 6 stuffs to +3. And i made 10 success and 2 fails so it's a probability of 80% with that method. U can ask my guildmates that im not lying. At that time, im very good in alchemy and i also made a guide for them. :wink:


that is the definition of random...

ever thought that your iPod "prefers" some songs in shuffle mode?

So consider someone made a +10 weapon without astral & immortal is random and luck also. :wink:
Who believe just believe, and who doesnt just ignore it. 8)


Randomness is hard to understand, it is usual for people to sometimes see an "order" in it.

I suggest you read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:24 am
by NuclearSilo
realfoxboy wrote:
NuclearSilo wrote:
realfoxboy wrote:
NuclearSilo wrote:I believe that there is a method, a trick for the success. Because i've myself experimented with that : when i was lvl about 48, i was able to ups deg 6 stuffs to +3. And i made 10 success and 2 fails so it's a probability of 80% with that method. U can ask my guildmates that im not lying. At that time, im very good in alchemy and i also made a guide for them. :wink:


that is the definition of random...

ever thought that your iPod "prefers" some songs in shuffle mode?

So consider someone made a +10 weapon without astral & immortal is random and luck also. :wink:
Who believe just believe, and who doesnt just ignore it. 8)


Randomness is hard to understand, it is usual for people to sometimes see an "order" in it.

I suggest you read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random

U dont need to suggest me. I know what exactly random is. And there is no way ppl can predict it. Or maybe i have the super power to predict things. :wink:
Dont jump to the conclusion too fast if :
1. someone tells u that it's random then it's random
2. u never see the formula of alchemy
3. u are too optimist about the random.

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:36 am
by realfoxboy
of course you have to see the algorithm to come to any comclusions BUT it's the only theory that would make sense.

I don't deny that there COULD be variables in the play like luck which change with level,time,kill count, you name it.

Only joymax knows...

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:06 am
by NuclearSilo
Well, a theory is usable if only it comes from a logic proof, a demonstration. If u say it's random then u have to prove that's it's random. Dont just say it's random because u feel it's random.
I can tell that it's not random because i did tests.
U have 2 options: either u think there is a method and u'll spend your time to find that method or either u consider that it's random and stay in ignorance.