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So I started as a Bard. Now switching to Wizard. Reason? To use most useful skills (dancing) you need another bard with you. Kinda bad if you ask me. Other than that, and moving march, bards suck. Opinions?

dude, bards can be really powerfullzor, im thinking in starting one cause there are something i need to try..

FullHouse wrote:So I started as a Bard. Now switching to Wizard. Reason? To use most useful skills (dancing) you need another bard with you. Kinda bad if you ask me. Other than that, and moving march, bards suck. Opinions?

There are plenty of bards/sub-class bards around.

This is just another example of where the Euro party system comes into play.

iBilly wrote:

FullHouse wrote:So I started as a Bard. Now switching to Wizard. Reason? To use most useful skills (dancing) you need another bard with you. Kinda bad if you ask me. Other than that, and moving march, bards suck. Opinions?

There are plenty of bards/sub-class bards around.

This is just another example of where the Euro party system comes into play.

I know that. But compared with other classes it blows. You have absolutely nothing useful except Moving March, Tambour and Dancing. And you cant dance by yourself, you need another bard. And they are rare, well at least on my server.

FullHouse wrote:

iBilly wrote:

FullHouse wrote:So I started as a Bard. Now switching to Wizard. Reason? To use most useful skills (dancing) you need another bard with you. Kinda bad if you ask me. Other than that, and moving march, bards suck. Opinions?

There are plenty of bards/sub-class bards around.

This is just another example of where the Euro party system comes into play.

I know that. But compared with other classes it blows. You have absolutely nothing useful except Moving March, Tambour and Dancing. And you cant dance by yourself, you need another bard. And they are rare, well at least on my server.

wrong ...

The bard's attack line is same powerful as the wizard's strongest nukes ...

Plus any Euro Party needs a Bard ..

Check the bard's attack mastery (( forgot its name ))

you will find that it have the same attack damage as a wizard fire nuke

its still lower precntage, and the guy forgot about noise is the only thing euro's have like the therapy circles just single target, mp recovery. Though the attacks may have the same dmg range listed the precentage is lower on them. Bards arn't weak or usless, i just couldn't stand listening to myself play as on, or watching it was kinda annoying too, usefull and powerfull but i have my limits on the lameness i can take

BArds suck at power but there Defense and attack buffs to a party can turn the tide of battle

hitman47 wrote: wrong ...

The bard's attack line is same powerful as the wizard's strongest nukes ...

Plus any Euro Party needs a Bard ..

Check the bard's attack mastery (( forgot its name ))

you will find that it have the same attack damage as a wizard fire nuke

Lol go make a bard and see how much you hit >..>

i stopped my bard rubbish damage. buffs are good yes but i cant ever find any good partys.

Yeah it sucks a little. I kinda wish that the Cleric buff with the STR and INT would be move over to the Bard tree so that Bard would be seem more useful in a party than now.

Bard and cleric are support chars, so you need a party to support. If you have and 8 players party you will see that all them will be running out of MP due to the number of party monsters that they will fight. That cleric is more important than bard I agree, but dont underestimate the importance of the bards.


Remember that euro is for playing in party, if you want to grind alone I dont think that any build will go further than lvl40.

FullHouse wrote:You have absolutely nothing useful except Moving March, Tambour and Dancing. And you cant dance by yourself, you need another bard. And they are rare, well at least on my server.

ROFL yeah the mana chains and MoT's that keep my party going are absolutely useless. In fact, I just waste space in a party, Im surprised my Union doesnt hate me, lol, silly Riz with all his mana healing and decent offdmg when not keeping us firing...yeah silly him.

Theres another post i swear saying its overpowered what has the world come too but i have to take into consideration people have diffrent views.

im a wizard and a bard. during grinding, the bard buffs (if you have 2+ with you, to use the dances) can result in more than 2k+ damage from nukes on a lvl80 chinese char