for those of you who have played europe..

[wisp0fwrath]

I would like to know what the PVP is like...have you seen job wars yet?
Do wizards get slapped around like rag dolls by warriors? Do they really nuke for the insane damage they say they do?

Do bards and clerics have any holy spells and debuffs to help them defend themselves in pvp? What if a cleric wants to run a trade..but is getting chased by a player thief...are they screwed? What do they do...heal themselves over and over?

Warlocks...do their dots suffice in pvp?

Im most interested in wizards..people say they have incredibly low health, pot delay is a major minus..robe only = fail...are they right? can wizards hold their own in solo pvp..do warriors dominate the battlefield?

Do wizards have to focus on one element of spells?

Rogues...any good?


Also..the exp rate..when in a party..do you find it excruciatingly slow to lvl like in chinese sro? Is SP farming necessary? Can anyone explain the skill/sub trees to me? How long do you find it taking you to get to the next level? Solo grinding is useless?

I wanna hear all about the situation with the wizards mostly..anyone have the answer to this great wall of questions?

[soxdrop]

Euro chars don't realy paticipate in job wars or pvp they know they get mostly owned..

[PimpC]

You gotta understand euro is for teamwork not like in isro...that will answer a lot of questions like will a cleric survive a solo trade run

and no need for sp farming

[wisp0fwrath]

so most things that europian characters do...such as running trades all happen in parties? Is a europian trade party, fully equipped with tanker nukers and healers more successful than a chinese one?

so how are the duels in europe then? most duels involve parties? Its not really a duel then eh? Can wizzies duel warriors without outside help and win? Im really concerned about being the "weak" class that cant take many hits.

Can you explain the skill/sub trees to me?

[sama98b]

An other topic: what is the best, what should I make. ><

[fena]

What you have to understand about the difference between Euro and Chinese is this:

Euro Solo < Chinese Solo
Euro Group > Chinese Group

Like PimpC said, Euro is built around teamwork. No build in Euro is good solo - none of them can survive by themself solo, while grinding efficiently. Sure, they could grind on a mob 20 levels below themselves, but if you want to grind EFFECTIVELY, most logically, you'll be in a party. Each member of a party has a specific job: Puller, damage-dealer, etc. Each party member is required to be a successful party. If you lack one member of the party, you're missing an arm or a leg. Each member of the party is necessary to the success of the party.

Yes, solo, Euro will get owned by Chinese, most likely, although only the update will tell for sure. In a group, however, Euro will most likely own Chinese.

Or so I've heard. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[sama98b]

Or so I've heard. Correct me if I'm wrong.

U are right 50% but dead wrong in the rest.
Not correcting and explaining things, leting ppl experience themselves.

[wisp0fwrath]

okay, but what if a euro wizzy is dueling a euro warrior, do u normally see the wizzy get pummeled? Are warriors overpowered?

Are rogues even wanted in groups?

Is the exp rate still rediculous?

again..can someone explain the euro skill/sub trees?

[soxdrop]

Euro tottaly reminds me of guildwars, almost same game system with similar classes, 2 professions,etc..
and extremely hard to do anything alone. I wonder how will euro players find party members since there will be a lot of people staying with the chinese and wont give up their chars

[HyorunmarouZ]

What you have to understand about the difference between Euro and Chinese is this:

Euro Solo < Chinese Solo
Euro Group > Chinese Group

Like PimpC said, Euro is built around teamwork. No build in Euro is good solo - none of them can survive by themself solo, while grinding efficiently. Sure, they could grind on a mob 20 levels below themselves, but if you want to grind EFFECTIVELY, most logically, you'll be in a party. Each member of a party has a specific job: Puller, damage-dealer, etc. Each party member is required to be a successful party. If you lack one member of the party, you're missing an arm or a leg. Each member of the party is necessary to the success of the party.

Yes, solo, Euro will get owned by Chinese, most likely, although only the update will tell for sure. In a group, however, Euro will most likely own Chinese.

Or so I've heard. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Eh... i'm lvl 26 wizard/Bard and i can grind on lvl 28 mobs... i think that, with the right skills you shouldn't have problem grinding solo. What you can't do is kill party mobs and giants solo, which would accelerate the leveling process by a lot. Killing those mobs in party means faster kills and much more XP per kill.

Euros CAN grind solo in white mobs, but 1 giant spwned over you and you are screwed...

[wisp0fwrath]

What you have to understand about the difference between Euro and Chinese is this:

Euro Solo < Chinese Solo
Euro Group > Chinese Group

Like PimpC said, Euro is built around teamwork. No build in Euro is good solo - none of them can survive by themself solo, while grinding efficiently. Sure, they could grind on a mob 20 levels below themselves, but if you want to grind EFFECTIVELY, most logically, you'll be in a party. Each member of a party has a specific job: Puller, damage-dealer, etc. Each party member is required to be a successful party. If you lack one member of the party, you're missing an arm or a leg. Each member of the party is necessary to the success of the party.

Yes, solo, Euro will get owned by Chinese, most likely, although only the update will tell for sure. In a group, however, Euro will most likely own Chinese.

Or so I've heard. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Eh... i'm lvl 26 wizard/Bard and i can grind on lvl 28 mobs... i think that, with the right skills you shouldn't have problem grinding solo. What you can't do is kill party mobs and giants solo, which accelerate the leveling process by a lot. Killing those mobs in party means faster kills and much more XP per kill.

Euros CAN grind solo in white mobs, but 1 giant spwned over you and you are screwed...

can you explain to me specifically how you go about creating a wizard/bard?

[HyorunmarouZ]

What you have to understand about the difference between Euro and Chinese is this:

Euro Solo < Chinese Solo
Euro Group > Chinese Group

Like PimpC said, Euro is built around teamwork. No build in Euro is good solo - none of them can survive by themself solo, while grinding efficiently. Sure, they could grind on a mob 20 levels below themselves, but if you want to grind EFFECTIVELY, most logically, you'll be in a party. Each member of a party has a specific job: Puller, damage-dealer, etc. Each party member is required to be a successful party. If you lack one member of the party, you're missing an arm or a leg. Each member of the party is necessary to the success of the party.

Yes, solo, Euro will get owned by Chinese, most likely, although only the update will tell for sure. In a group, however, Euro will most likely own Chinese.

Or so I've heard. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Eh... i'm lvl 26 wizard/Bard and i can grind on lvl 28 mobs... i think that, with the right skills you shouldn't have problem grinding solo. What you can't do is kill party mobs and giants solo, which accelerate the leveling process by a lot. Killing those mobs in party means faster kills and much more XP per kill.

Euros CAN grind solo in white mobs, but 1 giant spwned over you and you are screwed...

can you explain to me specifically how you go about creating a wizard/bard?

I'm Wizard as main and i get Bard as a support for myself and for parties. From Bard mastery i only train MP leech (which sucks HP from mobs and turns it into MP), MP heal (can't be used for self, i get it to help my party mates ), speed buff and Harmony therapy (don't know the right name, but it work almost the same).

When i am grindng i use the speed buff and the therapy, which follows your char (It's not like the chinese skill which creates a circle in the ground) helping you to grind because this way, only the mob you attack will attack you (i still die sometimes because it doesn't work with champions and giants, but this way i can grind in aggresive mobs turning them to passive).

[nightbloom]

An other topic: what is the best, what should I make. ><

I vote this the single most over-asked and therefore most annoying Euro question ever.

I say that the pure int broadsword is the best build. It will pwn all others. Everyone should make one, ignore all other build possibilities for I have shown you the way.

[BuddahBless]

Lol I don't know about solo pvp/ solo jobbing for euro chars. Every char is so weak in a certain area they won't stand a chance alone against a chinese char.

[wisp0fwrath]

What you have to understand about the difference between Euro and Chinese is this:

Euro Solo < Chinese Solo
Euro Group > Chinese Group

Like PimpC said, Euro is built around teamwork. No build in Euro is good solo - none of them can survive by themself solo, while grinding efficiently. Sure, they could grind on a mob 20 levels below themselves, but if you want to grind EFFECTIVELY, most logically, you'll be in a party. Each member of a party has a specific job: Puller, damage-dealer, etc. Each party member is required to be a successful party. If you lack one member of the party, you're missing an arm or a leg. Each member of the party is necessary to the success of the party.

Yes, solo, Euro will get owned by Chinese, most likely, although only the update will tell for sure. In a group, however, Euro will most likely own Chinese.

Or so I've heard. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Eh... i'm lvl 26 wizard/Bard and i can grind on lvl 28 mobs... i think that, with the right skills you shouldn't have problem grinding solo. What you can't do is kill party mobs and giants solo, which accelerate the leveling process by a lot. Killing those mobs in party means faster kills and much more XP per kill.

Euros CAN grind solo in white mobs, but 1 giant spwned over you and you are screwed...

can you explain to me specifically how you go about creating a wizard/bard?

I'm Wizard as main and i get Bard as a support for myself and for parties. From Bard mastery i only train MP leech (which sucks HP from mobs and turns it into MP), MP heal (can't be used for self, i get it to help my party mates ), speed buff and Harmony therapy (don't know the right name, but it work almost the same).

When i am grindng i use the speed buff and the therapy, which follows your char (It's not like the chinese skill which creates a circle in the ground) helping you to grind because this way, only the mob you attack will attack you (i still die sometimes because it doesn't work with champions and giants, but this way i can grind in aggresive mobs turning them to passive).

So how does a wizard aquire bard skills? Bard skill trees are automatically build into their skill list, they just have to get them with SP? Can a wizard also get warlock skills? Cleric skills? How does a wizard get skills of other classes?

[FluxFire]

Fena, as a Euro player, I can tell you that you can very much grind alone, on same level monters without any problems at all. This, also without risking to die.

Oh and yes, I can easily kill giants my level. As long as I don't take party monsters my level, I'm ok.

[HyorunmarouZ]

What you have to understand about the difference between Euro and Chinese is this:

Euro Solo < Chinese Solo
Euro Group > Chinese Group

Like PimpC said, Euro is built around teamwork. No build in Euro is good solo - none of them can survive by themself solo, while grinding efficiently. Sure, they could grind on a mob 20 levels below themselves, but if you want to grind EFFECTIVELY, most logically, you'll be in a party. Each member of a party has a specific job: Puller, damage-dealer, etc. Each party member is required to be a successful party. If you lack one member of the party, you're missing an arm or a leg. Each member of the party is necessary to the success of the party.

Yes, solo, Euro will get owned by Chinese, most likely, although only the update will tell for sure. In a group, however, Euro will most likely own Chinese.

Or so I've heard. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Eh... i'm lvl 26 wizard/Bard and i can grind on lvl 28 mobs... i think that, with the right skills you shouldn't have problem grinding solo. What you can't do is kill party mobs and giants solo, which accelerate the leveling process by a lot. Killing those mobs in party means faster kills and much more XP per kill.

Euros CAN grind solo in white mobs, but 1 giant spwned over you and you are screwed...

can you explain to me specifically how you go about creating a wizard/bard?

I'm Wizard as main and i get Bard as a support for myself and for parties. From Bard mastery i only train MP leech (which sucks HP from mobs and turns it into MP), MP heal (can't be used for self, i get it to help my party mates ), speed buff and Harmony therapy (don't know the right name, but it work almost the same).

When i am grindng i use the speed buff and the therapy, which follows your char (It's not like the chinese skill which creates a circle in the ground) helping you to grind because this way, only the mob you attack will attack you (i still die sometimes because it doesn't work with champions and giants, but this way i can grind in aggresive mobs turning them to passive).

So how does a wizard aquire bard skills? Bard skill trees are automatically build into their skill list, they just have to get them with SP? Can a wizard also get warlock skills? Cleric skills? How does a wizard get skills of other classes?

There are 6 masteries in total, you class is decided by the mastery you invest SP in, you could be Warrior/Rogue/Wizard/Warlock/Bard/Cleric if you want, but that wouldn't be very useful.... because of the mastery limit.

I put most of my SP in the Wizard mastery and the ones left in the Bard mastery. At level 26 i have Wizard lvl 24 and Bard lvl 22

[fena]

Well, by all means, listen to Hyro and not me. He's tons more experienced than me. Sorry if I've given you any wrong information. Just what I've picked up by reading a hundred Euro threads a day.

Hyro, yay!

[wisp0fwrath]

What you have to understand about the difference between Euro and Chinese is this:

Euro Solo < Chinese Solo
Euro Group > Chinese Group

Like PimpC said, Euro is built around teamwork. No build in Euro is good solo - none of them can survive by themself solo, while grinding efficiently. Sure, they could grind on a mob 20 levels below themselves, but if you want to grind EFFECTIVELY, most logically, you'll be in a party. Each member of a party has a specific job: Puller, damage-dealer, etc. Each party member is required to be a successful party. If you lack one member of the party, you're missing an arm or a leg. Each member of the party is necessary to the success of the party.

Yes, solo, Euro will get owned by Chinese, most likely, although only the update will tell for sure. In a group, however, Euro will most likely own Chinese.

Or so I've heard. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Eh... i'm lvl 26 wizard/Bard and i can grind on lvl 28 mobs... i think that, with the right skills you shouldn't have problem grinding solo. What you can't do is kill party mobs and giants solo, which accelerate the leveling process by a lot. Killing those mobs in party means faster kills and much more XP per kill.

Euros CAN grind solo in white mobs, but 1 giant spwned over you and you are screwed...

can you explain to me specifically how you go about creating a wizard/bard?

I'm Wizard as main and i get Bard as a support for myself and for parties. From Bard mastery i only train MP leech (which sucks HP from mobs and turns it into MP), MP heal (can't be used for self, i get it to help my party mates ), speed buff and Harmony therapy (don't know the right name, but it work almost the same).

When i am grindng i use the speed buff and the therapy, which follows your char (It's not like the chinese skill which creates a circle in the ground) helping you to grind because this way, only the mob you attack will attack you (i still die sometimes because it doesn't work with champions and giants, but this way i can grind in aggresive mobs turning them to passive).

So how does a wizard aquire bard skills? Bard skill trees are automatically build into their skill list, they just have to get them with SP? Can a wizard also get warlock skills? Cleric skills? How does a wizard get skills of other classes?

There are 6 masteries in total, you class is decided by the mastery you invest SP in, you could be Warrior/Rogue/Wizard/Warlock/Bard/Cleric if you want, but that wouldn't be very useful.... because of the mastery limit.

I put most of my SP in the Wizard mastery and the ones left in the Bard mastery. At level 26 i have Wizard lvl 24 and Bard lvl 22

thanks for the info...what might the mastery limit be?
And if i choose to go the wizard/bard route..that would require 2X the SP...will that make levelling hard for me? Since im spreading myself thin by getting wizard and bard skills? SP would become scarce for me wouldnt it? And its to my understanding that you dont really SP farm in euro..so whats the situation like?

[FluxFire]

Actually, the best advise to give to anyone is to listen to -all- the advises before making up their mind. Not one single person will provide anyone here with the "ultimate" truth about Euro update.

All I know, I derive from my short experience in cSRO and so far, I notice that, at level 20, I have been able to solo and party, both of which will provide similar experience curb (remember that exp is usually auto shared when in party).

People say "You level much faster in party", not my experience at all, I believe that you can level the same speed soloing in Europe.

The main draw backs is the items drops, the gold drops, these items can be shared amongst the group thus lowering a great deal the cost of buying NPC items.

[FluxFire]

The mastery limit is derived from your present level, you cannot pass a certain amount of masteries.

These questions, you will answer by yourself once the patch is set in anyway, it's useless to go into such finite details right now.

[wisp0fwrath]

as a wizard...which "element" of spell did u stick to? Did you stick with fire/lightning? Are you restricted to one element? Would u go past some sort of mastery limit for trying to max out every element, and aquire certain bard skills? Would that require insane amounts of SP that is just too hard to get? Am i better off sticking to 2 elements in the wizard tree? Is it helpful or not worth it to get skills from ice, lightning, fire, and earth? And try to go into some bard skills as well?

Sorry for the massive amount of inquiries, but i just dont want to screw up when euro rolls around.

[HyorunmarouZ]

Well, by all means, listen to Hyro and not me. He's tons more experienced than me. Sorry if I've given you any wrong information. Just what I've picked up by reading a hundred Euro threads a day.

Hyro, yay!

The problem is that many threads take the
Solo: Chinese > Euro
Group: Euro > Chinese
As an absolute truth.

Yes it will happen most of the time, but Euros aren't that usless by themselves and Chinese can make good group fight too.

It's easy to believe that euros can't grind solo because many people say "party or you are dead" but, even with the pot delay that doesn't happen very often.

Keeping my word....
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qHu_EBahw0o
A pure str big sword pvping and a pure str rogue/cleric pvping. Not much, but these are the only euro players that pvped in the last couple of days.

There you can see that euros can stand their ground ^

Oh and yes, I can easily kill giants my level. As long as I don't take party monsters my level, I'm ok.

Maybe for a STR player, but i am pure INT wearing Robes and fighting physical mobs... all i can do is cast Fear to not be attacked and run away if a giant comes near me. And even when i played a pure STR char i tried to take giants of my level, and even when they didn't much damage, i couldn't kill them fast enough, because my damage wasn't very high either... that's why i say, in my experience, giant = dead most of the times.

Actually, the best advise to give to anyone is to listen to -all- the advises before making up their mind. Not one single person will provide anyone here with the "ultimate" truth about Euro update.

+1 to that

People say "You level much faster in party", not my experience at all, I believe that you can level the same speed soloing in Europe.

Maybe you don't much faster, but the chatting can do wonders, when playing in party you usually have a very fun time and, by the time you check your XP you already have 50% or even level up without noticing hehe

Edit:

as a wizard...
which "element" of spell did u stick to? I train mainly Fire and Ice, but Earth is extremely helpful.
Did you stick with fire/lightning? I don't like light nuke... it's weak, it has AoE but if i want to attack more than one mob, i use Earth.
Are you restricted to one element? No, you can take the four of them.
Would u go past some sort of mastery limit for trying to max out every element, and aquire certain bard skills? The mastery cap increase at each level by 2, and it is made so you could have 1 mastery at your level, and a second mastery 5 levels behind, but i like to keep both updated so i go with a 2-3 gap.
Would that require insane amounts of SP that is just too hard to get? Wizard skills require lots of SP so, eventually you will have to farm, if you want to get them all.
Am i better off sticking to 2 elements in the wizard tree? You could do it, and most people would say that you focused on Fire/Earth, but i think Ice is useful too, because of the frostbite and freezing.
Is it helpful or not worth it to get skills from ice, lightning, fire, and earth? And try to go into some bard skills as well? You will need lots of SP, if you plan to do that, get a 4-5 level gap, maybe even 3 would be enough...

Sorry for the massive amount of inquiries, but i just dont want to screw up when euro rolls around.

[VforVendetta]

How can I be of any assistance ?

Ask me a question...

[FluxFire]

Keep in mind I mostly group up in Euro, but I have played solo without problems with pure int and currently pure str.

And yes, the action, the fun is totally different in a group setting.

I was training against lions today and our entire team was massacred by them twice, everyone laying dead on the ground, it was a sorry sight, lots of tears from mothers and fathers who lost their sons and daughters.

Plaques were erected where the bodies were buried "In the memories of those who dare not bringing a bowl of milk with them to tam the beast that lives in these grounds".

Europe is a brutal place to be, giants often take the entire screen (just try and make emergency clicks, I double dare you to find an open spot in the sky).

[Hitman144]

yea the guys above are right , in euro u need a party to survive after u reach certrain lvl

i got a pure int wizard , i lvled from 1 - 9 on my own , but then it started getting hard so i got a pt and u can lvl like 4- 9 lvls a day if u got a decent pt.

and itz also fun when u got a team , solo sometimes gets boring cuz u gotta all the work.

in teams if ur a celric all u gotta do is stand and ress , and if u got a 9 gap and with a decent team u can farm 3k - 5k a day with out any pain

[wisp0fwrath]

so, if i indeed wanted to go with the fire/earth approach...fire = nice dmg, earth = aoe + root. (btw does fire have many aoes?)

and i decided to get some bard skills, but not go completely overboard with the SP needed which type of bard skills would i go with? Keep in mind i plan on maxing fire/earth and leaving the other 2 alone.

Which bard skills would i pick up?
would i need to farm a whole deal?

[Vandall]

idk if uve seen this...
wizard skills= http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=21436
bard skills = http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=21514

hope it helps u decide

[wisp0fwrath]

idk if uve seen this...
wizard skills= http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=21436
bard skills = http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=21514

hope it helps u decide

yeah it has, i just wanna know if going 2 element trees and going for some of those bard passives would require mad SP.

As for SP and EXP income..whats the levelling rate like in europe..faster than in china? In an efficient party grinding like a team..how fast the the exp and SP flow in?

[Vandall]

idk if uve seen this...
wizard skills= http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=21436
bard skills = http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=21514

hope it helps u decide

yeah it has, i just wanna know if going 2 element trees and going for some of those bard passives would require mad SP.

As for SP and EXP income..whats the levelling rate like in europe..faster than in china? In an efficient party grinding like a team..how fast the the exp and SP flow in?

think Vforvendetta said he gets 2-3 lvls a day and hes @ 6x o.O AND think he says he doesnt use a ticket