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Chinese Nuker Vs Wizzy

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:31 pm
by Design
Which is stronger?

Pros?

Cons?

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:40 pm
by sunmoon
wizzy
pros: very high dmg nukes
cons: 20sec pot delay, 10sec pill delay, can only be in garment, low hp, low def, can't survive alone, no shield protection, can be 1-2 hit by str

chinese nuker
pros: can switch between armor/pro/garm, mana shield (for the ice ppl), can solo
cons: can still be 1-2 hit by a str with criticals, low hp, low def, can equip shield with sword

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:49 pm
by John_Doe
What sunmoon say.

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:31 pm
by Design
sunmoon wrote:wizzy
pros: very high dmg nukes
cons: 20sec pot delay, 10sec pill delay, can only be in garment, low hp, low def, can't survive alone, no shield protection, can be 1-2 hit by str

chinese nuker
pros: can switch between armor/pro/garm, mana shield (for the ice ppl), can solo
cons: can still be 1-2 hit by a str with criticals, low hp, low def, can equip shield with sword


So they're pretty much equal?

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:37 pm
by XMoshe
sunmoon wrote:wizzy
pros: very high dmg nukes
cons: 20sec pot delay, 10sec pill delay, can only be in garment, low hp, low def, can't survive alone, no shield protection, can be 1-2 hit by str

chinese nuker
pros: can switch between armor/pro/garm, mana shield (for the ice ppl), can solo
cons: can still be 1-2 hit by a str with criticals, low hp, low def, can equip shield with sword


have you ever made a pure int yourself....at higher lvl's we do not die from crits (well...not 1 or 2 after each other)...damn

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:02 pm
by EllisD
XMoshe wrote:
sunmoon wrote:wizzy
pros: very high dmg nukes
cons: 20sec pot delay, 10sec pill delay, can only be in garment, low hp, low def, can't survive alone, no shield protection, can be 1-2 hit by str

chinese nuker
pros: can switch between armor/pro/garm, mana shield (for the ice ppl), can solo
cons: can still be 1-2 hit by a str with criticals, low hp, low def, can equip shield with sword


have you ever made a pure int yourself....at higher lvl's we do not die from crits (well...not 1 or 2 after each other)...damn


Not all, but quite a few. They probably just didnt finish their gear yet.

But the statement is right, they can be 1-2 shot with crits involved, but, it is totally dependent on the player's gear and the weapon used against them.

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:25 pm
by CobbZ
i've survived the same level blader do a 5 hit combo with every single hit being a crit.

I do die after 2 crits from a str glaive tho :(

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:50 pm
by XCaosX
well..i've never tried wizard...but i think nuker is better mostly coz euro chars got 20 second delay for pots...but if wizard got healer that keep healing maybe wizard can be strong

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:55 pm
by hemagoku
a wizard can kill anyone fast if not then he dies but still wizards and warlocks are going to be the strongest isro builds with a healer with him he can do anything ,a tanker will be good 2

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:10 pm
by Blurred
I can imagine a wizard with a full sun set +9 :O!!!

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:19 pm
by lexies2
Blurred wrote:I can imagine a wizard with a full sun set +9 :O!!!
Imagine that and a wizard in zerk who is about to use earthquake (huge earth AoE) the whole crowd would be dead. xD

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:29 pm
by hemagoku
lexies2 wrote:
Blurred wrote:I can imagine a wizard with a full sun set +9 :O!!!
Imagine that and a wizard in zerk who is about to use earthquake (huge earth AoE) the whole crowd would be dead. xD

a wizard with sosun set +9 in zerk that will be awesome

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:38 pm
by sama98b
^^ And cleric drops it's party m/p def. buff and everyone lives :P

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:39 pm
by Vibrator
how about a gm wizard o_O

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:40 pm
by hemagoku
Vibrator wrote:how about a gm wizard o_O
in zerk +9 full sun set :shock: i would like to see that ,but i will be satisfied to see a normal gm :D

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:55 pm
by Magnum357x
wizzy solo = fail... Sorry but it's true, pure int... garment... pots delay....


But rogue... with stealth... that's what I'm gona do when euro comes out


hemagoku wrote:
Vibrator wrote:how about a gm wizard o_O
in zerk +9 full sun set :shock: i would like to see that ,but i will be satisfied to see a normal gm :D


Yeah... right, and an unicorn with it? :)

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:15 am
by Cerus
Well, Wizard can do these at high lvls,

1) Invisibility (Cant see properly? Try highlighting it)
2) Root you
3) Fear you
4) Trap you
5) Frostbit you (80% probability)
6) KABAZOKABOOOOOMMMMM NUKAZOOM you!

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:19 am
by truez
hemagoku wrote:a wizard can kill anyone fast if not then he dies but still wizards and warlocks are going to be the strongest isro builds with a healer with him he can do anything ,a tanker will be good 2

Well tat forms the party system....

The bottom line, wiz die fast while they are solo.... BTW im a wizzard and i need a healer to survive .. if not i keep dying :(

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:21 am
by lexies2
K lets just say this. As long as a wizard has first shot your dead. k?

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:44 am
by Vandall
Cerus wrote:Well, Wizard can do these at high lvls,

1) Invisibility (Cant see properly? Try highlighting it)
2) Root you
3) Fear you
4) Trap you
5) Frostbit you (80% probability)
6) KABAZOKABOOOOOMMMMM NUKAZOOM you!
+1
i think at higher lvls, wizard will win

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:49 am
by Cerus
Altho i think Wizard kick ass, but all in all, i think it would b just like WoW.
Whoever Jump the other first wins.
In PvP, Rogue should b the best.
Rogue was the best in WoW until they balanced it.

To answer this post, chinaman vs europeman...
Imo europeman will win once they got Root + Invisibility.

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:04 am
by deep.in
I dont know who will be stronger, but i know one thing for sure - all euro chars looks like a gays!

CHina FTW :)

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:30 am
by HertogJan
CobbZ wrote:i've survived the same level blader do a 5 hit combo with every single hit being a crit.

I do die after 2 crits from a str glaive tho :(


I can 2 shot a nuker my level in protector, need 2-3 shots for a nuker in armor. Then I am not talking about crits.

But common youre supposed to live trough a combo for a blader =|

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:05 pm
by soxdrop
Well chinese nukers have mana shield +kd, they can kill the wizard with constant kd and nukes before the 20 sec goes down. +invisibility can be ignored with potions

its easy to 3 shot a nuker if they have no alchemy on their stuff, you will never do that on lv 80

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:46 pm
by VforVendetta
deep.in wrote:I dont know who will be stronger, but i know one thing for sure - all euro chars looks like a gays!

CHina FTW :)


Possibly one of the most absurd posts I've ever seen. :)

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:33 pm
by EvilDiablo
full str 2h sword FTW

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:48 pm
by Puni
My guess is that PURE int wizzards will 1hit kill PURE int chinese nukers
but then again chinese nukers can also 1hit them most likely cause of the very low hp, but the wizzard should easily out damage chinese nukers

on Ksro with my lvl 52 wizzard i can overkill a penon with 7,5k dmg with my skills at lvl48
i seen a lv 56+ spear nuker do 6~7k with the 3rd book of the fire nuke

So in pvp Wizzard will be really good at higher levels even against pure str. Since they can stop your movement deploy an invisible fire trap (a "trap" of fire, when an opponent walks in he instantly gets damaged about same damage as a nuke would do)
so when a pure str gets a high powered nuke on him together with the fire trap when he tries to attack he probably will be dead.
But if the pure str gets 1 decent hit on the wizzard he'll be dead cause of the low hp and wizzard can only use garms (unless he has rogue/warrior/cleric masteries)

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:59 pm
by vindicated01
you can put many traps!!

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:07 pm
by Skitsefrenik
Whats with all this talk about healers? How many healers do you see in iSRO? Nobody want's to heal :banghead:

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:12 pm
by VforVendetta
Skitsefrenik wrote:Whats with all this talk about healers? How many healers do you see in iSRO? Nobody want's to heal :banghead:


Believe me at higher levels, even Chinese players are completely reliant on Clerics or Force users, tanking multiple elites just eats away too many pots, even without a delay, and the damage is too high to sustain so hence Warriors are needed for their buffs, it will become a more party oriented game.