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Glaive and Blade - Worst weapons ?

Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:18 pm
by soulcollector
Ok i thout about it and i just realize it .. why ppl use glaives and blades ?
Ok ... lets take a str blader lvl 52 .. whit SoN Blade lvl 52 full blues .....
all weps in the game have the mag atack waaay bigger than the phy atack .. so if he just puts a SoN sword lvl 52 full blues .. wound he do more dmg o.O ? like ... it doesnt matter if its str or int ... thats stupid that all the weapons have mag atack bigger than phy .. cus like even if str they count mag dmg by the Imbue .. the same goes for the glaive .. Str Spear char = godd hp waaaay more dmg than glaive .. right ?
and a questions .. when do chars do phys dmg o.O i mean
all chars fight whit some imbue .. then when you imbue doesnt it mean thats mag dmg .. and it depends on the int right .. i dont understand there does the Phy dmg go o.O

Re: Glaive and Blade - Worst weapons ?

Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:20 pm
by StealMySoda
soulcollector wrote:Ok i thout about it and i just realize it .. why ppl use glaives and blades ?
Ok ... lets take a str blader lvl 52 .. whit SoN Blade lvl 52 full blues .....
all weps in the game have the mag atack waaay bigger than the phy atack .. so if he just puts a SoN sword lvl 52 full blues .. wound he do more dmg o.O ? like ... it doesnt matter if its str or int ... thats stupid that all the weapons have mag atack bigger than phy .. cus like even if str they count mag dmg by the Imbue .. the same goes for the glaive .. Str Spear char = godd hp waaaay more dmg than glaive .. right ?

No. Strengths get alot of their phys attack from the reinforce on the weapon.

Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:28 pm
by [SK]Paddo
havent you ever seen a glavier fighting without an imbue? imbue just adds a small amount of mag dmg to the physical dmg, just like sword skills add a small amount of phy damage to the mag dmg an pure int deals with.

Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:36 pm
by bakafish
I noticed i hit around 50~100% harder with imbue on actually..

Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:53 pm
by Rainigul
BakaFish wrote:I noticed i hit around 50~100% harder with imbue on actually..


Hybrid?

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 2:49 am
by Cerus
Glaive and Blade is the best weapon for Str Builds.

Notice the minimal increase in Magical damage for Pure Str builds when they use imbues? Its because they had low Magical balance.
In other words, Pure Str rely on weapon skills more than Imbue. And a Glavie/Blade does just that, boost weapon skill damage.

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:04 am
by Ell
You use more of the str attk as a pure str. For example you have a spear with 400-500 phys and 700-800 mag, and a glaive with 500-600 phys and 600-700 mag.
Let's just say imbue is 20% of your damage and the other 80% is your weapon attack.
With spear you would do .8(500)+.2(800)=560 damage
With a glaive you would do .8(600)+.2(700)=620 damage
Obviously these numbers are made up but you get the point...well at least that's how I've always thought it worked.

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:52 am
by LadyB
no. i seen to notice that glavies with high phy reinforce makes their crits do alot.
SAY:
Most pure str glaviers/bladers/bowers at higher level do twice their regular damage when hitting the adrenaline "crit" because the glavies, blades and bows have their phy damage and magical damage close in numbers compared to swords and spears which have their magical damage alot farther away. So if you were to replace their physical damage with magical damage, they wont be able to crit double damage anymore.

You see my point?
Replace Phy damage with Mag damage will not allow you to do as much in crits.

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:09 am
by HBblade
LadyB wrote:no. i seen to notice that glavies with high phy reinforce makes their crits do alot.
SAY:
Most pure str glaviers/bladers/bowers at higher level do twice their regular damage when hitting the adrenaline "crit" because the glavies, blades and bows have their phy damage and magical damage close in numbers compared to swords and spears which have their magical damage alot farther away. So if you were to replace their physical damage with magical damage, they wont be able to crit double damage anymore.

You see my point?
Replace Phy damage with Mag damage will not allow you to do as much in crits.


i lol'd

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:27 am
by uBeR
Question then:

Is the piercing force skills good to get as pure str? They are they ones that increase mag. dmg by a few %. I can't tell a huge difference using it, but I only have the first book.

Worth the SP?

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:30 am
by lexies2
uBeR wrote:Question then:

Is the piercing force skills good to get as pure str? They are they ones that increase mag. dmg by a few %. I can't tell a huge difference using it, but I only have the first book.

Worth the SP?
No...you don't nuke, and the difference in imbue damage is low. So no. :)

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:30 am
by uBeR
OK thanks. Need more opinions though. ^^

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:31 am
by hemagoku
lexies2 wrote:
uBeR wrote:Question then:

Is the piercing force skills good to get as pure str? They are they ones that increase mag. dmg by a few %. I can't tell a huge difference using it, but I only have the first book.

Worth the SP?
No...you don't nuke, and the difference in imbue damage is low. So no. :)

same opinion

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:39 am
by LadyB
HBblade wrote:
LadyB wrote:no. i seen to notice that glavies with high phy reinforce makes their crits do alot.
SAY:
Most pure str glaviers/bladers/bowers at higher level do twice their regular damage when hitting the adrenaline "crit" because the glavies, blades and bows have their phy damage and magical damage close in numbers compared to swords and spears which have their magical damage alot farther away. So if you were to replace their physical damage with magical damage, they wont be able to crit double damage anymore.

You see my point?
Replace Phy damage with Mag damage will not allow you to do as much in crits.


i lol'd


whats there to laugh about. he was asking for opinions cause this seems like a serious topic for certian people so blow me retard

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:22 am
by uBeR
hemagoku wrote:
lexies2 wrote:
uBeR wrote:Question then:

Is the piercing force skills good to get as pure str? They are they ones that increase mag. dmg by a few %. I can't tell a huge difference using it, but I only have the first book.

Worth the SP?
No...you don't nuke, and the difference in imbue damage is low. So no. :)

same opinion

Thanks. But what do you say of this guide, which states, "This buff increases your magical damage. Most people would probrbaly think 'It's magical attack, I'm pure strength. Useless.' That is where they are wrong. This buff increases your imbue power, although the damage increase is low, it adds 100-200 damage at level 40. Max this buff."

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:35 pm
by Stress
Max the piercing force even for STR.

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:11 pm
by uBeR
lol :X

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:42 pm
by skulldiver
its personal preference,IT WILL pump up you're damage, its just up to you if you want to spend the sp on it

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:44 pm
by satman83
Cerus wrote:Glaive and Blade is the best weapon for Str Builds.


1+

doesnt matter what people say about this or that....the galve weapon was
used and created for STR builds and as such is not only the best STR weapon
in the game, but is also the best weapon in the game in terms of how
much damage it can deal out