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Worst and Best Build and some random Information

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:52 am
by Cerus
Best Tanker = Pure Str Blade
Worst Tanker = Pure Int Bow
Highest Damage Output = Pure Int Spear
Lowest Damage Output = Pure Str Blade
Highest Damage With Critical = Pure Str Glavie
(Tested, with normal attack with Zerk. No Weapon skill involved)
Lowest Damage With Critical = Pure Str Blade
Fastest Lvling = Pure Int Spear
Slowest Lvling = Pure Str Blade

NOTE: Hybrids best Crit will NEVER be higher than a Pure STR's top Crit. Do remember that a Crit DOES NOT double magical damage.

Best PvE = Pure Int Builds
Best PvP = Pure Str Builds
(This is just overall saying. In PvP, anything is possible. Its all about skills already when 2 similar builds with similar gears do PvP.)

Best SP farmers = Pure Int Spear
(Unless you want to Farm at the Den at lvl 16)
For every1 that has tried a Pure Int Spear at lvl 52, you KNOW that you can kill orange mobs in 2 -3 secs or Grey ones in 1 skill.
Then y do ppl still pick to Farm at lvl 16 while at higher lvl you gain more sp per kill? (You get abt 1.5 sp points every 2 kill in den, and you get about 1.1 sp at lvl 52 killing a red mob)
The spawn rate at the Den is far more superior. In the long run, Den is still faster.

(There are too many possibilities in building a Hybrid. Properly built hybrids can rock and vice versa. Thus, I won't go into discussing Hybrids as it can end up to another never ending discussion.)

There is no one best build. Different build has its own pros and cons. But theres one build thats bad in almost every aspect..
The answer is Pure Int Bow

Light Force tree is a must for all builds. reason being that it provides the best stuff (almost) as compared with the rest
1) Increase Mag damage
2) Movespeed increase
3) Phantom Walk (Escape/Chasing tool)
4) Lion shout (Instant spell, no channelling)

A weapon with the following is worth more than one with a (+)
1) good PHY/MAG Attack
2) good Crit (Irrelevant for pure Int)
3) good PHY/MAG Reinforce
4) has luck
5) good Attack Rating
(+)ing your weapon is easy, elixirs are cheaper as compared to stones, most ppl spent more at trying to FULL BLUE their weapon.
So, it is a good idea to (+) only weapons with good stat or SoX.
and.... apparantly Astral lower success rate (go WITHOUT it and you are more likely to get to +6)

Just my personal Opinion. Correct me if im wrong.

P.S: Want to hunt TG at high lvl without getting flamed? Put on your 2nd deg stuffs and go ahead! no one would notice!!! :D

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:57 am
by TibusOfVenice
I think bow has higher critical than glaive, might be biased since i got a 80 bow char but seeing as how the top 3 dmg critters for STR in that other thread are bows, imma go ahead and say bow

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 8:05 am
by Heie
very nicely said.

totally agree :)

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 8:26 am
by [SK]Paddo
ints can make criticals 2 ;) and they may hit harder than the pure str crit.

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 8:39 am
by woutR
pure int sword has the lowest crit.

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 8:40 am
by Stress
woutR wrote:pure int sword has the lowest crit.


+1

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 8:49 am
by [SK]Paddo
lol? ehm, crit with imbue or without? ... im critting niya guards with a demon blade force around 9k @ lv 75. havent seen a blader do that.

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 9:44 am
by MrFudge
please stop making us bowmen annoyed and fix this so it says we have the strongest crit.

ty.

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 9:52 am
by ping_lo
GnA wrote:lol? ehm, crit with imbue or without? ... im critting niya guards with a demon blade force around 9k @ lv 75. havent seen a blader do that.


I am only 71 atm but I have crit niya generals for over 10k as a pure str blade. :twisted:

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 10:06 am
by EsQuiRe
GnA wrote:lol? ehm, crit with imbue or without? ... im critting niya guards with a demon blade force around 9k @ lv 75. havent seen a blader do that.


how much do u hit with regular demon blade...im guessing near 9k. its not more your magical attack power then crit if anything

ping_lo wrote:I am only 71 atm but I have crit niya generals for over 10k as a pure str blade.


right...screenshot or it didnt happen (zerk doesnt count)[/quote]

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 10:12 am
by N1TROX
pure int / hybrid sword + shield basically rapes


decent tank (depending on garm, prot, armor and the gear)

does good damage

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 10:31 am
by _Radeon_
MADD wrote:
GnA wrote:lol? ehm, crit with imbue or without? ... im critting niya guards with a demon blade force around 9k @ lv 75. havent seen a blader do that.


how much do u hit with regular demon blade...im guessing near 9k. its not more your magical attack power then crit if anything

ping_lo wrote:I am only 71 atm but I have crit niya generals for over 10k as a pure str blade.


right...screenshot or it didnt happen (zerk doesnt count)
[/quote]Do not underestimate sosun +9 blade.

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 10:57 am
by Zypher
dunno about the glaive crits

and i know they do some crazy crits but ive done some high crits with my plainjane 72+4 white bow i havnt seen anyone do without sosun.

but then again im not everywhere. thats just what i see

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 4:57 pm
by voltis5
i saw a STR bower with an SOS 64+5 and it took about 2 glaviers to kill (don't know what kinda gear he was wearing). his crit would hit for about 8-9k at those glaviers. he was smart though, using phantom to run away to get some distance then BAM 2 crits and thier dead. pretty cool to watch......thinking about dual weap when new skills come out Glavie/Bow :twisted:

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 5:31 pm
by Skitsefrenik
IDC how shitty your build is. your guaranteed to kill somebody with zerk.

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 5:36 pm
by TaicaCuu
ping_lo wrote:
GnA wrote:lol? ehm, crit with imbue or without? ... im critting niya guards with a demon blade force around 9k @ lv 75. havent seen a blader do that.


I am only 71 atm but I have crit niya generals for over 10k as a pure str blade. :twisted:



And you know me, i did 11k dmg at lvl 2 -.-

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:07 pm
by CaptainJ
dont forget best lvling : pure int bow
worst lvling : pure str blade

also best unique hunter : pure int bow
worst unique hunter : bladeee

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:23 pm
by Gman22
CaptainJ wrote:dont forget best lvling : pure int bow
worst lvling : pure str blade

also best unique hunter : pure int bow
worst unique hunter : bladeee

Pure int spear levels faster...

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:42 pm
by svante
Gman22 wrote:
CaptainJ wrote:dont forget best lvling : pure int bow
worst lvling : pure str blade

also best unique hunter : pure int bow
worst unique hunter : bladeee

Pure int spear levels faster...

Doubtable, maybe at higher levels.

Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 1:48 am
by Cerus
MrFudge wrote:please stop making us bowmen annoyed and fix this so it says we have the strongest crit.

ty.


I am not sure if Bow crit harder or a glaive now... Edited the main post.

But simply hitting with a normal attack, glaive does do more damage than bow. Critical will double it. Thats y i think Glaive does higher damage.

I am a Bowman too :D But i still think that pure str Glavie crit harder than us :(

Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 1:56 am
by shoto
Gman22 wrote:
CaptainJ wrote:dont forget best lvling : pure int bow
worst lvling : pure str blade

also best unique hunter : pure int bow
worst unique hunter : bladeee

Pure int spear levels faster...


pure int bow at higher levels is worthless. bow is an str weapon and while int bows are amazing spfarmers earlier on...they are very weak at higher levels. Pure int spear is the fastest leveling build...period.

Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 3:16 am
by MastaChiefX
Skitsefrenik wrote:IDC how shitty your build is. your guaranteed to kill somebody with zerk.


A blader the same lvl as me couldnt kill me zerked yesterday lol

Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 4:03 am
by EsQuiRe
MastaChiefX wrote:
Skitsefrenik wrote:IDC how shitty your build is. your guaranteed to kill somebody with zerk.


A blader the same lvl as me couldnt kill me zerked yesterday lol


Foe: attacks and see's block, block, block, block

You: kd, stab,stab, kd, stab, stab

Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 4:41 am
by Xs
I have a Blader and recently started making sword nuker and loving them right now. Cant wait for 90 cap for ice buff and ironwall shield pwns to take minimum damage plus being str for so long, kinda fun having nukes to play a long with.

Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 4:55 am
by yshi
Highest Damage With Critical = Pure Str Bow/Glavie (not 100% sure)


A Hybrid bow crit more harder then a full str bow,dont know if can beat glavie crits,but i have 100% sure that a hybrid bow beat Full str bow crits.

Prove?

Hybrid bow lvl 79 whit bow lvl 72+5
http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?imag ... 361lx8.jpg

Full str bow lvl 80 whit sosun bow +7
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6108 ... ritwq7.jpg

Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 5:23 am
by zephyr
pure str bow crits higher than pure str glaive because of higher damage skills.

Those 2 screenshots aren't enough proof that a hybrid bow crits harder than a pure str bow. For all we know, the pure str could be hitting on the low end of his range and the hybrid could be hitting on the high end of his range.

Great information! It should help people quite a bit

Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 7:08 am
by achmalach
_Radeon_ wrote:
MADD wrote:
GnA wrote:lol? ehm, crit with imbue or without? ... im critting niya guards with a demon blade force around 9k @ lv 75. havent seen a blader do that.


how much do u hit with regular demon blade...im guessing near 9k. its not more your magical attack power then crit if anything

ping_lo wrote:I am only 71 atm but I have crit niya generals for over 10k as a pure str blade.


right...screenshot or it didnt happen (zerk doesnt count)
Do not underestimate sosun +9 blade.[/quote]


if you have sosun +9 you should refrain yourself from saying stuff that can confuse people

Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 9:30 am
by MrFudge
MrFudge wrote:please stop making us bowmen annoyed and fix this so it says we have the strongest crit.

ty.


im quoting myself so you can again edit so it only says pure str bow.

Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 11:13 am
by drinkbeer
Good Stuff :)

Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 12:22 pm
by yshi
zephyr wrote:pure str bow crits higher than pure str glaive because of higher damage skills.

Those 2 screenshots aren't enough proof that a hybrid bow crits harder than a pure str bow. For all we know, the pure str could be hitting on the low end of his range and the hybrid could be hitting on the high end of his range.

Great information! It should help people quite a bit


why isn't proof enough?I dont think the guy would post a ss on "dma leaders topic" whit his lower dmg whit sosun +7,it would be embarissing.

Ok here another SS of a hybrid bow 1:1 skills **Im 73 but pacheon is at 70, Ice at 65 (yep, still lvl 1 of last imbue for a 73 lvl player), fire 61 and light 54**

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/8339 ... 899oz0.jpg

Even if the sosun guy get his best cri on higher end of his range,i still think that he couldnt beat the hybrid lvl 79.D2A crited whit sosun bow *21454* whit cap dmg+65,535=86,454 not even close to beat the hybrid bow lvl 79.(information about D2A dmg from *dmg leaders topic*)


So i think you guys should accept the fact that a hybrid bow will hit more harder then a full str bow.