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Blader's fate?
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:10 pm
by NuclearSilo
after this update, what will be the fate of bladers if they knock-down hardly (90-70=20% reduce), cannot freeze?
will glaivers and nukers the new conqueror of the server
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:12 pm
by Key-J
Weh?
What ya talking about?
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:14 pm
by Lance
70% is still quite alot though
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:17 pm
by Jay
What's this about bladers knock down after update, I never read anything about that..?
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:19 pm
by NuclearSilo
when your lv is 90, your knockdown skill is still 69, so the difference of level will reduce 21% of your knockdown probability, so your new knockdown prob is 50-21=29%, say if im wrong
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:21 pm
by SpiritPower
Key-J wrote:Weh?
What ya talking about?
He wonder how to knock-down you Key-J
if is enough..
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:22 pm
by Jay
Damn...that means stun and knock back on glavie will be like this to, if that's true.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:30 pm
by Key-J
Guys.. lvl 80, update is for lvl 80 not 90
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:48 pm
by rangah
Key-J wrote:Guys.. lvl 80, update is for lvl 80 not 90
Yeah, and hopefully they'll update the skillz.
But yeah, bladers will be lowered, but still kd > stun!
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:17 pm
by Troo
As far as I know it is:
KD chance = 50% - (( the difference between opponent and skill) * 0,5)
In other words this will be about 45% with the new lvl cap, and about 40% with lvl 90 cap.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:45 pm
by Zycor
*ignors all post*
lalalalala bladers are cool, bladers forever, lalalala.
ignorance is bliss
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:08 pm
by imporkchop
if its true then nukers are gonna own....
no stunn / kd = happy nuker
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:08 pm
by sloth24
Zycor said
*ignors all post*
lalalalala bladers are cool, bladers forever, lalalala.
ignorance is bliss
blader /bicheon for life
!
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:40 pm
by s0ulless
Bladers for life... the update will make is nearly obsolete. KD is lowered, higher defense for other players due to new higher 8th degree items/weapons. Lets see what happens.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:14 pm
by Da_Realest
KD is 50% regardless of lvl. I seen lvl 80+ bladers fight on ksro and their kd % seems like it hasn't been effected at all.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:29 pm
by hellsharpt
who said you can't raise your skills? They've only said no change in the level cap.
If you are at 300 you may need to rethink your build.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:35 pm
by StealMySoda
Zycor wrote:*ignors all post*
lalalalala bladers are cool, bladers forever, lalalala.
ignorance is bliss
haha that made me laugh
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:48 pm
by Priam
Da_Realest wrote:KD is 50% regardless of lvl. I seen lvl 80+ bladers fight on ksro and their kd % seems like it hasn't been effected at all.
Nope it's not.
It has been proven in the past that the % will decrease as the level of you're opponent increases
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:57 pm
by Da_Realest
Priam wrote:Da_Realest wrote:KD is 50% regardless of lvl. I seen lvl 80+ bladers fight on ksro and their kd % seems like it hasn't been effected at all.
Nope it's not.
It has been proven in the past that the % will decrease as the level of you're opponent increases
It does decrease when fighting some higher but saying its decreases just because there is no lvl 70+ kd skill isn't true. It still works.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:24 pm
by Troo
imporkchop wrote:if its true then nukers are gonna own....
no stunn / kd = happy nuker
The chance to stun will always be the same.. and well KD might decrease by 5/10%.. it will still be more then stun and worth using it.
And bladers will do ok if you ask me, cmon you have:
- more phy/mag defense and parry
- crit reduce
- block
...
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:13 pm
by Priam
Da_Realest wrote:Priam wrote:Da_Realest wrote:KD is 50% regardless of lvl. I seen lvl 80+ bladers fight on ksro and their kd % seems like it hasn't been effected at all.
Nope it's not.
It has been proven in the past that the % will decrease as the level of you're opponent increases
It does decrease when fighting some higher but saying its decreases just because there is no lvl 70+ kd skill isn't true. It still works.
yeah well maybe it does, since there's not (yet) any 70+ to test it on. Would make sense though if they'd designed it that way.
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:18 am
by x_CodeZero_x
Um yeah knockdown is ALWAYS a 50% chance to knockdown don't know where you got your info but no update is going to change that 50% chance... The only way knockdown can be reduced is through alchemy, I think. Other than that, it's always going to be 50% chance to knockdown, skill level has no effect on that.
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:42 am
by 1llu51on
No Zero, it's not always 50%. The only skills that ignore levels are stun and knock-back, always 30% and 35%. ( Go Glaivers =D )
Hidden blade series can only knockdown targets of a certain level. Of course you can still KD lv 80 later on, but the probability has been reduced, which isn't that efficient anymore.
Here's the hidden blade series description.
1st book.
"An attack which has a chance to knock the target down.
Can only knock down targets of a certain level.
A knocked down enemy can only be attacked by one of Killing Heaven blade series.
Physical attack power 42-51(200%)
Knock-down 50%(lv 19)"
Notice that bold ? 2nd and 3rd books are more likely the same. Only level and damage difference. If you use this on lv 19 player, it has 50% chance to KD him. if it's higher, the chance is reduced.
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:50 am
by Da_Realest
Nothing to argue about. Kd will still work just fine when cap is raised.
I have no video to prove this from my time on ksro but I can link to these vids. Doubt they will change anyone's opinion though.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uCJhUrBOkw0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9sGonnrNOso
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:26 am
by X_to_the_red
stun may have the same % but the time it lasts is longer when maxed, so the time stun lasts will decrease but the % will stay the same.
dont even argue about it, its obvious a fully farmed glaiver with maxed glaive skills has longer stun than a glaiver farming with 61 masteries. lol.... if you haven't noticed you must be blind O.o
my lvl 42 knocked down a lvl 70 3 times in a row, psssh on %s
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:51 am
by lilchris
1llu51on wrote:Can only knock down targets of a certain level.
i didnt get wat u mean, but u can knock down any one no matter there lvl
im sure u know this since ur a blader as well. im just confused by ur statement
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:07 am
by 1llu51on
i didnt get wat u mean, but u can knock down any one no matter there lvl
im sure u know this since ur a blader as well. im just confused by ur statement Confused
...
I so hope you have not read all this topic replies yet... Coz someone has already explained it... yet you're still confused...
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:10 am
by lilchris
im not confused bout future blader skills and how they work
im confused bout ur statement that u bolded the info of the skill
''Can only knock down targets of a certain level.''
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:31 am
by 1llu51on
So ? It's written there, I just typed what it says. Ask Joymax for further information.
Yeah I'm a blader and I use KD all the time. I can KD lv 70 with 1st book skill too. But with lower probs. I dont like to depend my fate on LUCK.
Well, if you wanna stay Blader, go for it. I never insist anyone here.
3-4 times in a row ? Let's aside KD, I've done crit 5 times in a row too with a weapon crit 6. But it rarely happens. You want to depend on luck, go for it. Im no game.
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:35 am
by lilchris
ok ty! i was asking why u bolded it since it doesnt really make sense
i think its a typo on Jm part...just make sure they dont fix it
if so im leaving blader in a heartbeat lol
ima stay blader, dont care wat others say i like it.