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new character :D *NOT FOR 56K*
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:31 pm
by blandsaft
Hi i planned to make a new char a Pure STR Blader. Here is some pics how im gonna build it. Is there someting i should add or delete? My thoughts are i have Bicheon at lvl65 and all other at 60.
My Bicheon Tree:
Cold Tree:
Lightning Tree:
Fire Tree:
I need too farm 169275sp

that will take alot of time yeah

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so what do you think about that build?

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:55 pm
by Tokughavita
ask the other 20,485 people that have it.
you dont need the piercing force series because your not going to be using magical attacks
I'd go ice if I were you, even if people can pot away the cold effects, the magnitude of effect inturupting nukes with freeze in battle is irreplacable, with fire your damage wont be that hurt, the damage diffrence between fire and ice is only noticable with glavies, so yeah, with a blade, I'd go ice
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:03 pm
by blandsaft
thx for the tip i go ice then

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:23 pm
by catchthis
Ice is obslete at higher levels. Everyone is ice immune. Take the damage, go fire. Plus, when you're at cap and using knockdowns and stabs. Ice screws up your stabs. Don't use it if you want to pvp and win. If you freeze them on the ground, then you can't stab them, they can pot back up. You're a tank already (being a blader), no need to try to prevent attacks with ice. Prevent attacks with Knockdowns and it's very hard for any one person to kill you alone.
That's my .02
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:26 pm
by Priam
bull, the damage is even noticeble wit bladers. And bladers need the extra damage, it helps actually killing something, and speeds up levelling.
Ice used to be a good thing for bladers, cause eventhough there was less damage as fire, you could kill people. Now with ice resistance, it has gotten to a point that i advise you to use ice for buffs, and if you must only for pve.. It's useless at pvp..
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:37 pm
by blandsaft
thx for the tips

so i should choose fire instead?
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:40 pm
by Priam
yes sir, you should. But those are our opinions, be sure to make your own deciscion
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:49 pm
by Waisha
Lol, blandsaft. Ja skulle kört på fire, mer dmg för en blader e viktigare än att vara ännu svårare att döda. ^^
Sry for the language. Y cant spyk ynglysh, yts poor.
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:00 pm
by blandsaft
Lol, blandsaft. Ja skulle kört på fire, mer dmg för en blader e viktigare än att vara ännu svårare att döda. ^^
Sry for the language. Y cant spyk ynglysh, yts poor
LOLOLOLOLOL äntligen några svenskar -.-

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:53 pm
by nycxfool
Tokughavita wrote:ask the other 20,485 people that have it.
you dont need the piercing force series because your not going to be using magical attacks
I'd go ice if I were you, even if people can pot away the cold effects, the magnitude of effect inturupting nukes with freeze in battle is irreplacable, with fire your damage wont be that hurt, the damage diffrence between fire and ice is only noticable with glavies, so yeah, with a blade, I'd go ice
50% of the lvl70s are immune to ice anyways
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:55 pm
by _Medea_
catchthis wrote:Ice is obslete at higher levels. Everyone is ice immune. Take the damage, go fire. Plus, when you're at cap and using knockdowns and stabs. Ice screws up your stabs. Don't use it if you want to pvp and win. If you freeze them on the ground, then you can't stab them, they can pot back up. You're a tank already (being a blader), no need to try to prevent attacks with ice. Prevent attacks with Knockdowns and it's very hard for any one person to kill you alone.
That's my .02
If everyone is ice immune it isn't going to **** up the KD and Stab.
If you want ice, go ice. You'll be loved when everyone needs a tank for Yarkan
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:59 pm
by Tokughavita
they arent immediatley immune to ice, but it would be cured right away, that dosnt stop the inturuption of their powers
but I'm not going to argue about this, thats just my opinion, if I was going to make a blader, I'd go ice
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:11 pm
by kreator
what? I've been ice immune since lvl 53, fought ice and fire bladers and even at that level you can see the dmg diff, I can only imagine the dmg diff at the cap, go fire

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:33 pm
by DrunkiMunki
you dont need the piercing force series because your not going to be using magical attacks
This gives alot of extra power to the imbue, so yeah, lvl it up

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:49 pm
by Nimko
hummm ur immune is maxed but ur fire mastery lvl is 60

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:16 pm
by Anubis Ghost
its just bad to have stuff all at 60
and most of the books you want the mastery lvl need to be more then 65
well i aim my suff to be like that
lv70 blade ( coz thats what i am)
lv70 fire (for my attacks so thay can do max dmg ^^ )
lv68 ice (to have my ice buffs max no need anything else here)
lv52 light (for running)
you will have extra 40 mastery lvl to put but i wait till the 90 cap
coz i dont want to roll my skills back later
for imbue better to use fire reasons are:
1)every high lvl have ice immue
2) freeze f*** up you when you kd and you cant stab
3)why to freez if person cant move anyway after kd? better to do max dmg
with fire, ice have the lowets dmg
btw smash books sux dont lvl them
Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:14 am
by catchthis
_Medea_ wrote:catchthis wrote:Ice is obslete at higher levels. Everyone is ice immune. Take the damage, go fire. Plus, when you're at cap and using knockdowns and stabs. Ice screws up your stabs. Don't use it if you want to pvp and win. If you freeze them on the ground, then you can't stab them, they can pot back up. You're a tank already (being a blader), no need to try to prevent attacks with ice. Prevent attacks with Knockdowns and it's very hard for any one person to kill you alone.
That's my .02
If everyone is ice immune it isn't going to **** up the KD and Stab.
If you want ice, go ice. You'll be loved when everyone needs a tank for Yarkan
Alright... obviously you don't understand the words of my post. "Everyone" I guess should be edited to "A majority of the SRO community" is ice immune, therefore, take fire for the damage aspect.
Secondly, it says "
If you freeze them" assuming they aren't ice immune, then it does screw up the KD and stab, even if they pill it off right away.
kthxbye
Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:27 am
by x_CodeZero_x
I dunno if the trees were edited, but why is everybody complaining about ice imbue? It's not selected on the tree <.<
Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:36 am
by Frozen
Just somenthing else joymax ..... up in silkroad.
Thank you for making ice completely useless....
Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:46 am
by Lance
choose only 1 chain if u dont want to farm more sp
and de level snake sword dance to 1, since u only need it at level 1 to get book 2
Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:10 am
by NiteBlade
catchthis wrote:_Medea_ wrote:catchthis wrote:Ice is obslete at higher levels. Everyone is ice immune. Take the damage, go fire. Plus, when you're at cap and using knockdowns and stabs. Ice screws up your stabs. Don't use it if you want to pvp and win. If you freeze them on the ground, then you can't stab them, they can pot back up. You're a tank already (being a blader), no need to try to prevent attacks with ice. Prevent attacks with Knockdowns and it's very hard for any one person to kill you alone.
That's my .02
If everyone is ice immune it isn't going to **** up the KD and Stab.
If you want ice, go ice. You'll be loved when everyone needs a tank for Yarkan
Alright... obviously you don't understand the words of my post. "Everyone" I guess should be edited to "A majority of the SRO community" is ice immune, therefore, take fire for the damage aspect.
Secondly, it says "
If you freeze them" assuming they aren't ice immune, then it does screw up the KD and stab, even if they pill it off right away.
kthxbye
I have some input on this subject seeing how I'm Level 70 Ice blader, all these reasons giving are good reason to go fire blader, blah blah everyone is immune...so what?! lots of high levels are immune to fire so the DOT effect is useless also I would know I'm immune to all effects. I never have a problem going up against an opponent if they are Ice immune the buff only last so long and I'm doing the same amount of damage I would do if they are immune or not. I just don't bonus effect of the frost or freeze for sometime but their buffs don't last forever and I'm a tank and I can do kd and stab all day long and when the buff wears off they are screwed. You try both imbunes out see which you like best. Don't take opinions from people that has never been an ice blader.
Ask you self this why does everyone go out their way to get ice immune?

And only a few gets fire immune....

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:37 am
by darklink105
No pacheon IMHO without pacheon to at least lvl 40 or 50 even if u GT it will take a long....LONG time bladers lvl way to slow

more sp but it'll pay off because of speed at which u should lvl in comparison to bladers..
Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:43 am
by x_CodeZero_x
NiteBlade wrote:catchthis wrote:_Medea_ wrote:catchthis wrote:Ice is obslete at higher levels. Everyone is ice immune. Take the damage, go fire. Plus, when you're at cap and using knockdowns and stabs. Ice screws up your stabs. Don't use it if you want to pvp and win. If you freeze them on the ground, then you can't stab them, they can pot back up. You're a tank already (being a blader), no need to try to prevent attacks with ice. Prevent attacks with Knockdowns and it's very hard for any one person to kill you alone.
That's my .02
If everyone is ice immune it isn't going to **** up the KD and Stab.
If you want ice, go ice. You'll be loved when everyone needs a tank for Yarkan
Alright... obviously you don't understand the words of my post. "Everyone" I guess should be edited to "A majority of the SRO community" is ice immune, therefore, take fire for the damage aspect.
Secondly, it says "
If you freeze them" assuming they aren't ice immune, then it does screw up the KD and stab, even if they pill it off right away.
kthxbye
I have some input on this subject seeing how I'm Level 70 Ice blader, all these reasons giving are good reason to go fire blader, blah blah everyone is immune...so what?! lots of high levels are immune to fire so the DOT effect is useless also I would know I'm immune to all effects. I never have a problem going up against an opponent if they are Ice immune the buff only last so long and I'm doing the same amount of damage I would do if they are immune or not. I just don't bonus effect of the frost or freeze for sometime but their buffs don't last forever and I'm a tank and I can do kd and stab all day long and when the buff wears off they are screwed. You try both imbunes out see which you like best. Don't take opinions from people that has never been an ice blader.
Ask you self this why does everyone go out their way to get ice immune?

And only a few gets fire immune....

Ummm lol. Ok here's a little situation. A person is immune to both ice and fire status effects. When using the fire imbue you will do more damage. Has nothing to do with fires status effect. It just does more damage. And that time when their imbue wears off isn't permanent. They can cast it any time screwing your strategy over again. Most people don't get burn immunity because burns don't completely immobilize you like freezing. It's easier just to pill through a little damage then get stopped, pill, and go back to attacking. While taking the chance of getting frozen again.
Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:18 pm
by catchthis
^^ Thank you smart person. Fire, more damage than ice.
You can pill off Burn before it burns you, it does not impede your attacks.
That's why everyone goes out of their way to get ice immune.
Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:27 pm
by superblur
Tokughavita wrote:ask the other 20,485 people that have it.
you dont need the piercing force series because your not going to be using magical attacks
I'd go ice if I were you, even if people can pot away the cold effects, the magnitude of effect inturupting nukes with freeze in battle is irreplacable, with fire your damage wont be that hurt, the damage diffrence between fire and ice is only noticable with glavies, so yeah, with a blade, I'd go ice
Tokughavita wrote:they arent immediatley immune to ice, but it would be cured right away, that dosnt stop the inturuption of their powers
but I'm not going to argue about this, thats just my opinion, if I was going to make a blader, I'd go ice
judging by what youve said, you dont know much about this game...
the damage difference betweent ice and fire is VERY noticable... between
the buffs and the passive and the higher base damage fire outdamages
ice easily... no matter what weapon you use...
im level 47 with 45 masteries... and my imbue makes me hit for atleast
400 more on orange mobs... so it does make a difference glaive or blade...
and for the ice... if your fully immune... you dont get frozen what so ever
so that means your skills arent interrupted or slowed down AT ALL...
ice was nice before the alchemy update...
fire for damage after the update...
Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:18 pm
by NiteBlade
x_CodeZero_x wrote:NiteBlade wrote:catchthis wrote:_Medea_ wrote:catchthis wrote:Ice is obslete at higher levels. Everyone is ice immune. Take the damage, go fire. Plus, when you're at cap and using knockdowns and stabs. Ice screws up your stabs. Don't use it if you want to pvp and win. If you freeze them on the ground, then you can't stab them, they can pot back up. You're a tank already (being a blader), no need to try to prevent attacks with ice. Prevent attacks with Knockdowns and it's very hard for any one person to kill you alone.
That's my .02
If everyone is ice immune it isn't going to **** up the KD and Stab.
If you want ice, go ice. You'll be loved when everyone needs a tank for Yarkan
Alright... obviously you don't understand the words of my post. "Everyone" I guess should be edited to "A majority of the SRO community" is ice immune, therefore, take fire for the damage aspect.
Secondly, it says "
If you freeze them" assuming they aren't ice immune, then it does screw up the KD and stab, even if they pill it off right away.
kthxbye
I have some input on this subject seeing how I'm Level 70 Ice blader, all these reasons giving are good reason to go fire blader, blah blah everyone is immune...so what?! lots of high levels are immune to fire so the DOT effect is useless also I would know I'm immune to all effects. I never have a problem going up against an opponent if they are Ice immune the buff only last so long and I'm doing the same amount of damage I would do if they are immune or not. I just don't bonus effect of the frost or freeze for sometime but their buffs don't last forever and I'm a tank and I can do kd and stab all day long and when the buff wears off they are screwed. You try both imbunes out see which you like best. Don't take opinions from people that has never been an ice blader.
Ask you self this why does everyone go out their way to get ice immune?

And only a few gets fire immune....

Ummm lol. Ok here's a little situation. A person is immune to both ice and fire status effects. When using the fire imbue you will do more damage. Has nothing to do with fires status effect. It just does more damage. And that time when their imbue wears off isn't permanent. They can cast it any time screwing your strategy over again. Most people don't get burn immunity because burns don't completely immobilize you like freezing. It's easier just to pill through a little damage then get stopped, pill, and go back to attacking. While taking the chance of getting frozen again.
Ok, thanks for stating the obvious

of course no one wants to be frozen and that is the reason they go out their way to get ice immune. And yes we know fire does more dmg than ice. And yes fire has dmg over time so it has a little something to do with fire. A person can make up for the lack of dmg done by upping their magically balance. I'll say it again, try both see which you like first. This isn't a dam debate thread.
It just does more damage. And that time when their imbue wears off isn't permanent. They can cast it any time screwing your strategy over again.
um you lost me I don't know what ya talking about. What imbue is permanent?
I'm done...
Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:05 pm
by khang
ice ftw. about practically 50% of the sro builds are nukerss.
ICE CAN PWN NUKER everytime
Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:21 pm
by AMON-Ra
khang wrote:ice ftw. about practically 50% of the sro builds are nukerss.
ICE CAN PWN NUKER everytime
This person is funny

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:27 am
by x_CodeZero_x
NiteBlade wrote:Ok, thanks for stating the obvious

of course no one wants to be frozen and that is the reason they go out their way to get ice immune. And yes we know fire does more dmg than ice. And yes fire has dmg over time so it has a little something to do with fire. A person can make up for the lack of dmg done by upping their magically balance. I'll say it again, try both see which you like first. This isn't a dam debate thread.
It just does more damage. And that time when their imbue wears off isn't permanent. They can cast it any time screwing your strategy over again.
um you lost me I don't know what ya talking about. What imbue is permanent?
I'm done...
"I'm a tank and I can do kd and stab all day long and when the buff wears off they are screwed." That's what I was talking about in the sentence you quoted. They can just apply the buff again and their immune to freeze. Nobody is starting a "damn debate" You asked questions, I answered them. Not my fault I'm giving obvious answers to obviously obvious questions (baha had to do that

). Why would you add to your magical balance if you're supposed to be a tanker.
Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:29 am
by Ell
Get bicheon to 68 at least for triple stab. And yeah, you can't max fourth book of fire imbue at level 60.