Just a little curious...

[Running Wyld]

Hello everyone, I'm new to Silkroad Forums. I just kind of stumbled across it a couple days ago and made an account. Today I was skimming through some of the topics and it quickly became obvious there is a very strong anti-botting vibe floating around here, so I became a little curious and decided to ask this question.

So here it is: Why all the hate for bots?
I'm really just curious as to what you'll all say. I'm not promoting it, just wondering.

Joymax doesn't care about bots. I don't care about bots, what people do is their own business. So why do you?

If you're skeptical about whether or not Joymax doesn't care about bots, think for a second about what joymax is.

(A business)

And like all other businesses they realy don't care about me or you, they only care about money. So why do they like bots then? Well here are a couple of reasons.

First of all and most importantly, a large portion of people who buy premium every month, bot. Do you really think Joymax will ban someone who gives them money every month? Not likely, unless other players complain about it and pressure them into doing it.

Second, bots make up a large chunk of the stats you see when you go on rev6 to check server statistics. The more active the servers look, the better the game looks to potential investors which, once again, means more money going Joymax's way.

Joymax may say that they don't like bots, and they may have their imaginary "War against botting" but they really don't want them to go. Yes they do ban a few hundred bots every now and then, most of which are names like "asdfjh" or "ajg" or whatever, and some are actual players. But of cource all of this this only applies to player bots, Gold bots are a different story. They're not making any money from the goldsites, so gold bots are bad for business, they do ban those.

But even when you think about it, gold bots and gold site also make joymax money in an indirect way, they are an important part of a servers ecomony, the stronger the economy the server has, the more people will play on that server and again, more potential money to Joymax.

So like I said, I'm not promoting or defending, I'm jst genuinely curious, so please don't jump down my throat for asking about bots.

~Non sum pisces xP

[Overcome]

Because they r robots.

[The Invisible]

Because they r robots.

and people don't like replacing a man with a robot .

[Kronos]

Oh, there are several reasons, why we legits don't like bots and it's not actually surprising that we do hate them:

1. They can level all the time, while not even being at the computer. I am not jealous or anything, it's just unfair that they don't even spend time on the game and then they walk around saying "Oh look, what i have done there. I am Lv.101+ already". They don't really deserve having such a high level character, as they don't do anything for their character. For that reason i usually look at botters as computer programmes and not as humans and treat them as a thing and not a human, but that only applies for SRO related stuff. I just don't like it, when they try to impress other people with their character and show off in videos, screenshots, etc. and can't even play their characters properly.

2. Most botters just fail hard, when it comes down to teamwork. It's not hard at all to beat a botter guild/union/party in FW or BA, even if they have advantage in levels and numbers. Even if they are currently not botting, they are extremely weak and can't play their character in most cases. One legit pt is enough to defend the bandit fortress against a whole botter union. And one Lv.8X/9X legit pt was enough to get the fort against a botter union with lots of baronets and generals. We didn't even have one baronet at that time. In leveling pts they can't really play either in most cases, as they don't understand what their build is supposed to do in a leveling pt.

3. They fill the servers and take most of the good leveling spots, even though they can't really use it with maximum efficiency. Legits usually have to search for other spots, where no bots around. Another option is just wiping one bot pt, which is not that hard either. Anyway i hate botters, because they take the best pting spots and ks all the time. At some monsters for example Hun Lancers or Ongs you can't really level anymore, as there are just so many bots...

I guess that's reason enough to hate the bots, at least for me.

[penfold1992]

the reasons i hate bots:
1. they lvl up to a high lvl with no idea about the game at all... just yesterday i was playing cleric when i asked a bard for mana he gave me mana switch -.-
2.they fill up the servers with characters they dont even play
3. they ruin legits gameplays in many many ways, game economy... level balance in the game, bot plvls ksing, no community, random pking "for the lulz" and mainly IDIOCY.
4.they usually fail in partys either afk barding or afk warriors...
5. as far as warriors go, 2h warriors knocking down mobs in a party and not using lures or taunts and not knowing what "tanking" means -.-
6. wizards having no situational skills, charged wind spamming or not using life control are usual issues
7. knocking down in party playing... do i need to explain for the millionth time why this is BAD?
8. arrogance towards other players is usually from bots... legits respect the hard work they and others put into the game where as bots have no respect for anyone.

meh my list can go on and on and on.

[Fox Mulder]

First of all, it's against the rules to bot and it gives the botters an unfair advantage against those who play by the rules. It's bad for Joymax's business to have 99% of their customers blatantly ignoring the rules that Joymax themselves have set, because it gives bad image to the company.

Take any other MMO gaming company for example, they do ban people who gives them money every month, and still they have a successful businesses. As far as I'm aware, in the MMO gaming industry, a general rule of thumb is: bots are bad for business.

If Joymax were to announce publicly that the rules do not apply anymore and that it is fine to use bots if you pay a monthly fee, and maybe even implement their own bot into the game, then I would have no grudge against bot-users.

Second, it doesn't really matter how populated the servers might "look" to be. Sooner or later the players come to realize that the game is actually full of bots, and it is in no way a fun experience to play surrounded by them, and they leave the game. That's why it's bad for Joymax's business to have servers 99% full of bots.

[yoyoyo8]

expand server capacity

[Fury]

Because it uses an illegal program to level up your character while you do shit all.
If you play cod, think of how annoying it is when morons are hacking...ruins the 'legit' peoples experience.

[apan]

unless other players complain about it and pressure them into doing it.

I belive this is one of the reasons this forum exists.

[BuDo]

Botting simply ruins the game in two noticeable ways. 1..It promotes unfair play like some people have already mentioned and 2...It highly reduces the most fun part of any mmorpg game...social interaction.

In the early stages of the game the community was highly interactive..you would quest, trade, hunt etc with anyone at any given moment. Now if you want to have with other players you have to wait till the weekend and only for a few hours.

I used to feel very strongly about this but now I've become somewhat a of fence sitter. Joymax in my opinion is the root cause of the problem with their reluctance over the years to deal with the issue.


I've seen compelling arguments about why people should bot. But now I just don't care either way...Topics like these are a waste of time. They always fall on deaf ears...always. I've been playing this game on and off for 4.5 years. I been observing whats been happening and its a whole lot of nothing

[[Orphen]]

I think we are getting trolled, the argument here is the same as countless other threads formed since EB section came about. lol!

[jbrigjaj]

Oh, there are several reasons, why we legits don't like bots and it's not actually surprising that we do hate them:

1. They can level all the time, while not even being at the computer. I am not jealous or anything, it's just unfair that they don't even spend time on the game and then they walk around saying "Oh look, what i have done there. I am Lv.101+ already". They don't really deserve having such a high level character, as they don't do anything for their character. For that reason i usually look at botters as computer programmes and not as humans and treat them as a thing and not a human, but that only applies for SRO related stuff. I just don't like it, when they try to impress other people with their character and show off in videos, screenshots, etc. and can't even play their characters properly.

2. Most botters just fail hard, when it comes down to teamwork. It's not hard at all to beat a botter guild/union/party in FW or BA, even if they have advantage in levels and numbers. Even if they are currently not botting, they are extremely weak and can't play their character in most cases. One legit pt is enough to defend the bandit fortress against a whole botter union. And one Lv.8X/9X legit pt was enough to get the fort against a botter union with lots of baronets and generals. We didn't even have one baronet at that time. In leveling pts they can't really play either in most cases, as they don't understand what their build is supposed to do in a leveling pt.

3. They fill the servers and take most of the good leveling spots, even though they can't really use it with maximum efficiency. Legits usually have to search for other spots, where no bots around. Another option is just wiping one bot pt, which is not that hard either. Anyway i hate botters, because they take the best pting spots and ks all the time. At some monsters for example Hun Lancers or Ongs you can't really level anymore, as there are just so many bots...

I guess that's reason enough to hate the bots, at least for me.

+1.. im going to confess.. i tried the SRO bot 3 hours on another account of mine on maya and i ask myself, why do people even use it? I got bored of it leveling me up all the time, not enjoying the game.. having the thrill of finishing a nice quest which gives 1.4m xp which u worked hard for.. nothing at all.. botting is pointless imo. Boring. Unenjoyable. Fail.

[Goseki]

I don't see how it's possible for one party of lvl 8x/9x to be able to fight against "Lots of generals and baronets (aka 100+).... Although I think I already asked you about it in another topic so owell. Short memory.


Old topic. I don't like goldbots, I don't really care about botters. After awhile, killing the same mob recolored isn't that entertaining. I usually go out of my way to find a new mob. If I can't find one, I just go to temples or fgw. I don't like same shit.

[jbrigjaj]

I don't see how it's possible for one party of lvl 8x/9x to be able to fight against "Lots of generals and baronets (aka 100+).... Although I think I already asked you about it in another topic so owell. Short memory.


Old topic. I don't like goldbots, I don't really care about botters. After awhile, killing the same mob recolored isn't that entertaining. I usually go out of my way to find a new mob. If I can't find one, I just go to temples or fgw. I don't like same shit.

ye the part of the them fighting all the 100+ is true.. i was in the union chat with em'..

[DrgnNj1]

I am not promoting botting or something, do not get me wrong .. but how THE F.CK are people supposed to level up ?! It's so dam.n slow ... I get like 0.3 - 0.4 from a GIANT a fight for 1-2 minutes ... the drop rate .. oh wait, it doesn't have any. my last item drop was like 2-3 months ago ? WTF ? i'm only level 8x, it's getting slower and slower. implementing their bot system would be pointless stupid? can't they just increase the EXP and SP rate like 40x - 50x times? so we finally know what / why we are playing for? leveling up a skill takes 4000 SP, and I get like a half skill point from a mob, even less.

of course no one force me to play you can always leave, but i guess i am addicted like the rest of the community .

[_Equal_]

I am not promoting botting or something, do not get me wrong .. but how THE F.CK are people supposed to level up ?! It's so dam.n slow ... I get like 0.3 - 0.4 from a GIANT a fight for 1-2 minutes ... the drop rate .. oh wait, it doesn't have any. my last item drop was like 2-3 months ago ? WTF ? i'm only level 8x, it's getting slower and slower. implementing their bot system would be pointless stupid? can't they just increase the EXP and SP rate like 40x - 50x times? so we finally know what / why we are playing for? leveling up a skill takes 4000 SP, and I get like a half skill point from a mob, even less.

of course no one force me to play you can always leave, but i guess i am addicted like the rest of the community .

Euro parties, Chinese parties, FGW 2* with friends, CTF, uniques, grind on green, etc etc.

You're not telling us anything new, the only difference is the cap. Think of the 110's who have to level to 120.

[_Dutchy_]

I am not promoting botting or something, do not get me wrong .. but how THE F.CK are people supposed to level up ?! It's so dam.n slow ... I get like 0.3 - 0.4 from a GIANT a fight for 1-2 minutes ... the drop rate .. oh wait, it doesn't have any. my last item drop was like 2-3 months ago ? WTF ? i'm only level 8x, it's getting slower and slower. implementing their bot system would be pointless stupid? can't they just increase the EXP and SP rate like 40x - 50x times? so we finally know what / why we are playing for? leveling up a skill takes 4000 SP, and I get like a half skill point from a mob, even less.

of course no one force me to play you can always leave, but i guess i am addicted like the rest of the community .

Silkroad is a grind Game if you don't like to grind go play Wow Go play Guildwars or something

[jyushinshuu]

Lets be realistic Only reason so many haters about bot is illegal.

but I strongly disagree about the part that botters are don't know anything about the game nor they know how to play their characters.

I have many friends who are hardcore botters in game but hell they know everything about this game and they play perfectly well in almost all character builds they have.

As for party playing. Without a doubt I say bot 8/8 party is way more faster than legit party. Why? because people makes mistakes cuz they are human and they get careless everytime which leads the fall of all the party members bot, but in bot party they don't fail cuz its all been set.

Just try watching bot parties with 107 & 110 mobs, you will notice how they kill mobs insanely fast with warrior luring w/o even attacking.

don't get mad at me I'm just stating that facts and also I don't have any bot pt cuz I play only 1 char for 5 years and it just reached Lv107 playing solo.

[_Dutchy_]

Lets be realistic Only reason so many haters about bot is illegal.

but I strongly disagree about the part that botters are don't know anything about the game nor they know how to play their characters.

I have many friends who are hardcore botters in game but hell they know everything about this game and they play perfectly well in almost all character builds they have.

As for party playing. Without a doubt I say bot 8/8 party is way more faster than legit party. Why? because people makes mistakes cuz they are human and they get careless everytime which leads the fall of all the party members bot, but in bot party they don't fail cuz its all been set.

Just try watching bot parties with 107 & 110 mobs, you will notice how they kill mobs insanely fast with warrior luring w/o even attacking.

don't get mad at me I'm just stating that facts and also I don't have any bot pt cuz I play only 1 char for 5 years and it just reached Lv107 playing solo.

Very few bots know how to play this game and if they do its because they play the game ALLOT just as much or more as legits and those poeple are rare. out of the entire bot population on silkroad no including goldbots only 5% is trully skillfull in there char and knows there build

[Valkyria]

As for party playing. Without a doubt I say bot 8/8 party is way more faster than legit party. Why? because people makes mistakes cuz they are human and they get careless everytime which leads the fall of all the party members bot, but in bot party they don't fail cuz its all been set.

Just try watching bot parties with 107 & 110 mobs, you will notice how they kill mobs insanely fast with warrior luring w/o even attacking.

I disagree. Maybe in the long-run bot pts level faster than legit pts cause they play 24/7 ;legits play 2-3 hrs in pt per day (that's atleast for Azteca legits, actually we rarely pt more than 2 hours a day).
But I think in the short-run legit pts are faster than bot pts.
When I see bot pts on Azteca server at 100/101 mobs they already get whiped by 2-3 gps, not to mention when you feed them with Envys.
Good legit pts are a way more organized than bot pts.

[Kronos]

As for party playing. Without a doubt I say bot 8/8 party is way more faster than legit party. Why? because people makes mistakes cuz they are human and they get careless everytime which leads the fall of all the party members bot, but in bot party they don't fail cuz its all been set.

Just try watching bot parties with 107 & 110 mobs, you will notice how they kill mobs insanely fast with warrior luring w/o even attacking.

I disagree. Maybe in the long-run bot pts level faster than legit pts cause they play 24/7 ;legits play 2-3 hrs in pt per day (that's atleast for Azteca legits, actually we rarely pt more than 2 hours a day).
But I think in the short-run legit pts are faster than bot pts.
When I see bot pts on Azteca server at 100/101 mobs they already get whiped by 2-3 gps, not to mention when you feed them with Envys.
Good legit pts are a way more organized than bot pts.

This.

And they can lure a lot more monsters. Also in bot pts, AoE's get "wasted" quite a lot, because bots just randomly AoE on monsters, even if there are no other monsters around that monster. An AoE, which could hit up to 5 monsters, hits only 1 target. Also bot lurers seem to lure in a certain pattern. They even use howling shout, when there are no monsters around them. Don't tell me botters are more effective than legit pts, i have seen lots of bot pts and i know the difference.

[Elites]

Bot pties sucks !!!

Bot-Pt will never survive at mobs 8-12 lvl higher ! But Legit-Pt can this easy with lv 40+.

And the exp per 1 hour is more in a legit-pt than in bot-pt.

[Goseki]

I don't see how legit parties can compete in terms of grinding. Granted I play with chn char so I don't really party, but it's like what, 6 hours a day tops vs 24/7. Maybe at low lvls legit parties are better, but at higher lvls where it takes months to lvl up...

[Gaigemasta]

I'm against botting..but...


it feels like a mad witch hunt

and

when we ban people from here for just botting we take away from the rest of the community, I think they should just be banned from anything silkroad related, so GD, OSV, G&C etc etc

When we ban someone from SRF for botting i can assure you it has little influence on the botter, it doesn't usually stop them from botting, it just makes them move to the rev6, epvper, gp forums

We've lost a lot good contributors to a stupid witch hunt over the internet.



to sum it up, banning botters on srf is like arguing of the internet

it might seem productive but it's the dumbest thing since religion

[jyushinshuu]

I don't see how legit parties can compete in terms of grinding. Granted I play with chn char so I don't really party, but it's like what, 6 hours a day tops vs 24/7. Maybe at low lvls legit parties are better, but at higher lvls where it takes months to lvl up...

that's what I mean, maybe at low level party grind legits are better cuz of item gaps, but when it comes to Lv100++ there is no way legit party can catch up to bot pt when it comes to xp/min.

[omier]

Bot pties sucks !!!

Bot-Pt will never survive at mobs 8-12 lvl higher ! But Legit-Pt can this easy with lv 40+.

And the exp per 1 hour is more in a legit-pt than in bot-pt.

In another forum, ppl who were 110 and when 120 cap came, they went party botting straight to lvl 120 mobs and they don't have any problems there. A couple of them are 112 now.

[Goseki]

Spoiler!

I'm against botting..but...


it feels like a mad witch hunt

and

when we ban people from here for just botting we take away from the rest of the community, I think they should just be banned from anything silkroad related, so GD, OSV, G&C etc etc

When we ban someone from SRF for botting i can assure you it has little influence on the botter, it doesn't usually stop them from botting, it just makes them move to the rev6, epvper, gp forums

We've lost a lot good contributors to a stupid witch hunt over the internet.



to sum it up, banning botters on srf is like arguing of the internet

it might seem productive but it's the dumbest thing since religion

Agree and +1.

[RoOF]

yeah right , like a bot pt can ever beat a legit pt ''that is organised''
i mean
we started on azteca when bots were 50+
in1 month we were 60 bots were 70
in 2 months we were 93+ bots were 99
you still think bot pt's are better ?
then come to azteca you will see

[Goseki]

yeah right , like a bot pt can ever beat a legit pt ''that is organised''
i mean
we started on azteca when bots were 50+
in1 month we were 60 bots were 70
in 2 months we were 93+ bots were 99
you still think bot pt's are better ?
then come to azteca you will see

So... you're saying you still couldn't catch up to the bots?

Now how much silk did you spend vs the bots? How much time and energy did you put into it vs the bots.

2 months to get to 90+? You sure you're legit? Or are you one of those undead things that have no life?




You're not gonna convince me that a legit party can be better always. It's like saying that riding a kenyan is faster than riding a ferarri. I've played too long to see ppl join much later and blast past me in lvl. Old news.

[RoOF]

yeah right , like a bot pt can ever beat a legit pt ''that is organised''
i mean
we started on azteca when bots were 50+
in1 month we were 60 bots were 70
in 2 months we were 93+ bots were 99
you still think bot pt's are better ?
then come to azteca you will see

So... you're saying you still couldn't catch up to the bots?

Now how much silk did you spend vs the bots? How much time and energy did you put into it vs the bots.

2 months to get to 90+? You sure you're legit? Or are you one of those undead things that have no life?




You're not gonna convince me that a legit party can be better always. It's like saying that riding a kenyan is faster than riding a ferarri. I've played too long to see ppl join much later and blast past me in lvl. Old news.

as i can remember
i'm not a nolife
we spended 3 hours a day behind our pc
all the rest of the time i spend outside with acualy real life friend
not like your ''rl friends '' who are just your imagination