Is it safe to say it requires skills?

[Goseki]

To be able to play a pure int char and tank someone in pvp when your def buffs runs out and still win? I'm not talking about pure int chars with like prem+ and nova +10 gear. I mean like your average char without prem and normal +3-+5 set tanking a char with prem+, nova +5 or higher gear, nova+5 or higher wep.

Ex) Pure int without snow, Wizards without bless and phy abs buff.

And I don't mean the cheap methods like run into safe zone, spam walls, or spam heals as cleric. Like still attacking, just buying time by tossing a good kb, kd, root, fear, stun, dull, etc.

I feel like out of all the builds in Silkroad right now, the only reason to be a pure int besides wiz's high dmg, is the challenge you face in pvp. Spent like 10 mins watching a blader vs a glaiver, both 110, silk items, devil spirit buff on whacking away the entire time. I think they gave up after awhile and called it a draw.

[Tasdik]

That's one of the reasons why I've always been an int char, of some sort. Their so good when played right, they really don't get enough credit in a game that's dominated by warrior/clerics and str bows.

Plus, they're a helluvah a lot of fun to grind with. Versatility ftw.

[Goseki]

Oh, and before anyone starts being all defensive, I'm not saying int char are better. I'm just saying that it is my OPINION that of all the different chars/builds, being an int char and being able to tank and kill someone when your defensive buffs are out requires actual skills and strategy besides smashing 123.


It's also why I've been pvping more and more without snow. I try to only use it for people with nova sets, warriors, and wizs. I know those will either take awhile to debuff/weaken or I need it to survive and get an attack off.

[aishsharma]

Well yes, for a wiz its a BIG yes, though i don't see why spamming walls as an int is unfair(assuming correct wall vs correct opponent like ice wall vs warrior).

Although for a warlock vs anything non-cleric sub I would sort of disagree as they have so many means at their disposal to help them survive that even bless itself seems like overkill.

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

sadly for most people now,
skill= powerfarming, silk and a full +10 set

And yes, it takes skill to use a full int build, because with the awesome damage, the hardest part of a fight is staying alive.

But next to one's own skill, it also depends on your opponent and luck, like a random lifesaving block.

Nevertheless it's fun to see players who flaunt their str builds pussy out on int chars because they've run out of snow shield

[lotri]

I'm not sure how spamming heals is considered a "cheap" tactic. But yeah.. I always had fun in PvP way before snow shield and Euro came out.

I'm gonna try my hand at warrior though just because axe animations are *_*.

[Fiction]

Is it safe to say it requires skills?

Whatever helps you sleep at night, right?

[Azilius]

I really wouldn't say SRO requires any skill at all. Just a bit of common sense..

[JuelzSantana]

idc if the person thinks its cheap or not, if u have the skill by all means please use it. u farmed for it, why cant u use it? its part of ur char and it makes pvp more interesting. if u cry cuz they use a buff or a debuff u dont have, maybe u should have chose a diff char lol

[Zing]

If a warrior/cleric in cape pvp uses skins or bless then I'm going to stop pvping with that person. Vigors, 25%, and all those skills that make you insanely overpowered for 45 seconds or so are not to be and should not be used in cape pvp or otherwise it's job, CTF, war, or BA.

Unless you're looking to simulate job/ctf/war/ba in cape pvp, then why not. But otherwise, the general common idea (I hope so or god save us all) is that cheap skills are for cheap people when it comes to cape pvp. Any fool can cast bless and such related skills.

Cape pvp = to test your mettle, not to pwn people that every matherfakker and their mather believes it to be. Leave that thought process, here we go again, to BA/CTF/WAR/Job.

[Goseki]

idc if the person thinks its cheap or not, if u have the skill by all means please use it. u farmed for it, why cant u use it? its part of ur char and it makes pvp more interesting. if u cry cuz they use a buff or a debuff u dont have, maybe u should have chose a diff char lol

I agree with Zing. Just because it's a skill, doesn't mean you should use it during a pvp. Zerking is technically a skill, but anyone who zerks in a 1v1 pvp is usually considered a nub. Knockback arrows is a skill, but spamming it non stop for over a minute is also considered nubbish. Dashing is a skill, but if you run around too much, people consider it nubish. Just because you have a skill, doesn't mean you should abuse it. PvP is about testing to see who kills who, not testing who can tank forever.

[XesoS]

No Silk ? = Stop Playing ...

Only if u play for fun and get to lvl 80 and just run around then u can stay

[Goseki]

No Silk ? = Stop Playing ...

Only if u play for fun and get to lvl 80 and just run around then u can stay

Ish. Silk is good for your char if it really sucks balls. The thing about silk items is that it provides the delusion that your char is good. I think it's always fun when someone with a bunch of silk items in use dies. Means that the char would suck major balls if the silk items ran out and wasn't renewed. If you always have silk items on, you will never know if your char is truly good or if it sucks. I know a few ppl that could always kill me in pvp. I usually ask for a rematch when their silk items run out and we're at a slightly more even playing field. Some still pwn, some suck horrifically. It really is crazy the difference 10-20% abs makes.

Most epic battle for me? 107 ff glaiver dieing when he had vigors, prem+, devil spirit, and those new 20% dmg inc/abs scroll. Nothing beats bleed+division combo. XD

[Amarisa]

25% skill 75% luck

With my years of playing sro in even matches it was almost always based off luck.

[Stress]

Skill is very important in PvP, when gear is on par. In fact, skill makes all of the difference.

I used to post mile-long posts on why skill is important, but no one really took it seriously. Can't be bothered again. Bottom line is, any build needs skill. Even chinese builds. And if you really want them to work properly, you need skill especially for the chinese builds: Glaviers, Bowers and Bladers.. and, of course, INT builds too.

Skill is not only about managing to stay alive. It's also about risking to push it and not spam KB or KD when other, more damage-intensive skills can be used - at a certain risk, of course -. All in all, it's about the proper evaluation of the situation.

God, I hate to see bowers who KB when they don't really need to.

[JuelzSantana]

idc if the person thinks its cheap or not, if u have the skill by all means please use it. u farmed for it, why cant u use it? its part of ur char and it makes pvp more interesting. if u cry cuz they use a buff or a debuff u dont have, maybe u should have chose a diff char lol

I agree with Zing. Just because it's a skill, doesn't mean you should use it during a pvp. Zerking is technically a skill, but anyone who zerks in a 1v1 pvp is usually considered a nub. Knockback arrows is a skill, but spamming it non stop for over a minute is also considered nubbish. Dashing is a skill, but if you run around too much, people consider it nubish. Just because you have a skill, doesn't mean you should abuse it. PvP is about testing to see who kills who, not testing who can tank forever.

that is your interpretation of pvp. pvp is really who can win, and you should do what you must to win. if you are put in a situation where you keep getting knocked back and you use your skills and WIN then you are truly better than the other person. zerk isnt a skill, you dont farm sp for it.

if you cant win against somebody else and its because of a skill then you are worse than them simple fact of life. if you know how to play your character right you can beat anyone. infact im im a warrior warlock/pure int bow. when i vs a warrior cleric on my warrior warlock, instead of focusing on what they can do like bless and holy word, i focus on what i can do to win. like knock back vampire kiss stuns, then 2h skills, after try to knock down and use cunning stab, trying constantly to keep that stun on them and the DOTs, advanced reflect. things like that. on my pure int bow, i try to keep up ice shield or snow shield for def, and switch from KB with ice imbue to strong bow, light nuke, or devil arrow. if its somebody that is gonna kill me up close, i use grass walk back, knock back, ice wall, knock back, strong bow.

i mean its not the game, its you(not specifically you lol, the players). anyone can be ANYONE around the same level as you REGARDLESS of skills.

ive seen str bows taken out constantly. maybe its a diff situation in your servers but in oasis. people know how to play

[Goseki]

So Juelz, your idea of a pvp is win regardless? So it's a good fight as long as you win, not matter how cheap and stupid the tactic? So if there's someone you can't kill, you just kb spam them until they run out of hp pots and die? That's a reasonable pvp right? Worthy of a video on youtube no doubt.

Since you say,

that is your interpretation of pvp. pvp is really who can win, and you should do what you must to win.

Then it must be ok to you in a pvp that someone brings in his buffer and zerks in a pvp. Since winning is all that really matters right?


PvP is 1v1. You fight and try to kill each other using different skills. If you just spam 1 skill during the entire fight, or bring in buffers, that's not ok. That's just bad pvping etiquette. What you are describing Juelz where you do anything you can to win is not a 1v1 PvP, that's what you call a war. Such as Guild War, Fortress War, CTF war, Job war, etc. That's when the win is what counts.

But hey, that's just my opinion. If it's ok in Oasis to stand there and kb spam someone until their pots are all gone and they die and people there count that as a win. Good for you guys. In Alps, if we see a nub doing that, it's gangbang time from everyone present at Samarkand.

[JuelzSantana]

So Juelz, your idea of a pvp is win regardless? So it's a good fight as long as you win, not matter how cheap and stupid the tactic? So if there's someone you can't kill, you just kb spam them until they run out of hp pots and die? That's a reasonable pvp right? Worthy of a video on youtube no doubt.

Since you say,

that is your interpretation of pvp. pvp is really who can win, and you should do what you must to win.

Then it must be ok to you in a pvp that someone brings in his buffer and zerks in a pvp. Since winning is all that really matters right?


PvP is 1v1. You fight and try to kill each other using different skills. If you just spam 1 skill during the entire fight, or bring in buffers, that's not ok. That's just bad pvping etiquette. What you are describing Juelz where you do anything you can to win is not a 1v1 PvP, that's what you call a war. Such as Guild War, Fortress War, CTF war, Job war, etc. That's when the win is what counts.

But hey, that's just my opinion. If it's ok in Oasis to stand there and kb spam someone until their pots are all gone and they die and people there count that as a win. Good for you guys. In Alps, if we see a nub doing that, it's gangbang time from everyone present at Samarkand.

obviously pvp is 1v1 its player vs player not player vs playerS. if u use 1 skill and use you OWN buffs that is completely FAIR GAME. you have the skill u use it. if them using 1 skill or using a buff that they farmed for over and over means you lose then that means their char is better than yours 100% fact. if you cant think differently than pressing 123 123 123 123 over and over to try to do something to stay alive then its nobody's fault than your own. if you take skills away from them then they are fighting handicap. you had the chance when creating a char to choose whatever you thought was best. you chose your char now you have to prove it. if you are upset because bows have dKB then oh well too bad. the people that made the game made it that way for a reason, its not even a bug it was intentionally put there. if i had a str bow, trust me i COULD kill without double kb but thats killing with a HANDICAP. like boxing with 1 fist or walking with 1 leg. its possible but difficult and if you win you're amazing. when you were picking a char to play you could have picked their char but the fact is you didnt. so play with the disadvantage and deal with it.. ive seen wizards that use bless and that rock spell, heals, and tactics to win against a bow. i mean it just comes down to is your char YOUR FULL CHAR really better than somebody else? obviously not if you need them to handicap themselves to win. and im not talking about having a cleric coming in to buff of course thats unfair (pvp , player vs PLAYER (singular)). people will find something to complain about even when there is nothing to complain about. if you lose its your own business. skills are legal, being cheap is being cheap. if u play rock paper scizzors and keep choosing rock, and keep winning is that cheap? or is that a wake up call to choose paper instead of keep using scizzors. instead of putting 100% blame on other people why dont you change ur strategy up or choose a better char in general. or better yet make your char better

[Goseki]

WORDS

So you're saying that you're cool with a game where everyone makes 1-2 builds and that's it? Let's say a server full of Warriors, Wizards, and Bowers. That would be a "smart" server since they're picking builds that will win.

I'm not saying knockback can't be used. I'm just saying people that stand there and only knockback until snow or pots run out is lame. I can understand kb spamming during iron or fan buff, even during bless or skins since those buffs only last for 30 secs. But using only knockback is, like you admitted, cheap. Sure you might win, but no one's gonna admit you're good. It's like a blader that only knockdowns. Hell, it's like using zerk. You'll win, but no one's gonna think dam, he's strong. It's just gonna be dam, he's an idiot.

[BuDo]

Nobody respects or believe in the ability of a person who uses/relies on the obvious mistakes in game design by joymax's to win in an pvp. JuelzSanatana you said "its in the game for a reason" ...whatever skills that we are allowed to use.... But if everyone can clearly see an imbalance with the game skills (however slight) and you have a player(s) using this to gain an advantage then in my opinion that is not fair play.

I can't blame the player because he/she never designed the game but I can surely disregard their claim to being one of the best players around due to the amount of "wins" they racked up. If someone spams a single skill over and over that they farmed and find themselves winning 90% of pvps because of it then that person's wins are utterly baseless and meaningless.....and like I said clearly it would be a result of poor game design... and clearly NOT a result of tatics or abilities. What makes winning worthwhile is the effort ones put towards winning....spamming 1 or 2 skills takes no effort.

[JuelzSantana]

i dont care what others choose, i usually choose builds myself that are unpopular (hence why i chose warrior warlock and pure int bow). and whether u like it or not thats what already happened in sro everyone is warrior cleric or wiz cleric or str bow. no variety but what can you do?

and ur right budo, you dont have to accept them for being the best because who interprets who is the best. its all self interpretation. it doesnt matter if he or she is the best it just matters if they are better than you. to somebody on the outside who doesnt play sro if they saw you getting killed from a dKB they would say you suck and the other kid is pro. do i think double kb should have never been implemented? yes but it was. so its game. and thats the game, dont hate the player hate the game.