IRIS Legit guilds

[TheComedian]

Hey guys,
im on iris, i have joined illusion after the "rebirth" union was created, because of lack of space in both rebirth and revive", i'v had an eye trauma so i couldnt play for the past 3 months, and am now wondering what happened to illusion? it's dead now, and seems like its been that way since i left. I met somone from rebirth by accident, and he told me it was still alive and kicking... Could someone plz explain what happened? oh btw he also told revive is no longer in the union as well... ???

P.S.
Very confused...

[Ch4otik]

good question. i haven't logged into Iris since server traffic got heavy a while back and since it go lighter I've been on Apollo where a shipload of my gold is. I was in Revive when all the guilds were still alive.
Well, hoping for a future return to Iris, what's up with the union?

and in the meantime, any highly active english speaking guild on Apollo? i'm tired of the sucky party play i keep finding on Apollo. Rebirth union was sooooo sexy at it when I was in Iris and I keep expecting other parties to live up to that caliber.

[Dbett5]

I'm pretty sure they have been dead for a fair while now mate:S

[Tasdik]

Spoiler!

And so the long list of servers who tried to imitate Venus and failed in like 1 month continues....

[TheComedian]

i didnt ask for useless comments on who failed or not, from what i know rebirth is still alive and there is another legit union and at least 2 more separate legit guilds in turks unions cause they dont know of the existance of legit unions, just they happen to not be visiting this forum a lot. I was asking if anyone knew WHY ILLUSION DIED... and why REVIVE is no longer in the union...

[ninshad]

they moved to zszc

[TheComedian]

zszc???

[Memories]

Spoiler!

And so the long list of servers who tried to imitate Venus and failed in like 1 month continues....

Venus was mad fun. If 100 cap never came, I bet a lot of us Avalonians would still be around D:

[chickenfeather]

zszc???

It's a private server that has increased xp rates, old job system, and chinese only to lvl 100(i think?). Basically, they fixed a lot of issues that are wrong with isro, that's why so many people went there. Too bad they don't have european characters tho.

Btw, hii irony

[_Equal_]

i didnt ask for useless comments on who failed or not, from what i know rebirth is still alive and there is another legit union and at least 2 more separate legit guilds in turks unions cause they dont know of the existance of legit unions, just they happen to not be visiting this forum a lot. I was asking if anyone knew WHY ILLUSION DIED... and why REVIVE is no longer in the union...

Well, Rebirth left their union to join with ours, dunno, we didn't really vote, just suddenly happened while I was out Labor Day weekend. They are good people tho.

PM CrazyBull666, last I checked he was union master of that uni and now guild master of Rebirth. But maybe you can join up with Rebirth or Nocuous or something. I think Crazy is trying to get ALL legits in one guild/union.

[Crowley]

zszc???

It's a private server that has increased xp rates, old job system, and chinese only to lvl 100(i think?). Basically, they fixed a lot of issues that are wrong with isro, that's why so many people went there. Too bad they don't have european characters tho.

Btw, hii irony

105 cap now

[William-CL]

Legit guilds don't last because there are 10 different Legits guilds and most of em either quit or resort to botting. Ppl claim Venus was all legits, but that is just a fools dream. It was well known that a lot of Avalon were Botters. No one has the guts to say it though.

[Tasdik]

Legit guilds don't last because there are 10 different Legits guilds and most of em either quit or resort to botting. Ppl claim Venus was all legits, but that is just a fools dream. It was well known that a lot of Avalon were Botters. No one has the guts to say it though.

Lol, not to beat a dead horse or anything, but who?

*beats the aforementioned, dead, horse*

[.curve]

Spoiler!

And so the long list of servers who tried to imitate Venus and failed in like 1 month continues....

Venus was mad fun. If 100 cap never came, I bet a lot of us Avalonians would still be around D:

Oh god you said Avalonians and I just died inside.

Wow.

[Ch4otik]

cool. i may pop back in once I get this guy on Apollo to 40 or 60.

[Krevidy]

Legit guilds don't last because there are 10 different Legits guilds and most of em either quit or resort to botting. Ppl claim Venus was all legits, but that is just a fools dream. It was well known that a lot of Avalon were Botters. No one has the guts to say it though.

Lol, not to beat a dead horse or anything, but who?

*beats the aforementioned, dead, horse*

+1, Who?

[Truie]

Most if not all of the Avalon leaders were botters.
That's all what their scheme was about.
Just like the christian church leadership are satan worshipping witches keeping a monopoly on sorcery through a pseudo-anti-sorcery religious empire, the Avalon Venus "legits" ruled over their members through preventing them from even multi-clienting while keeping the botting to themselves, added to the benefit of the superior "legit" parties.
nightbloom (Avalon's 2nd, Avalon leader Fly's virtual girlfriend) boasted openly about being a hardcore botter and scriptwriter before Venus started while they still were playing on Xian. The audio was leaked by an N-th unhappy partner of the gang and a fun youtube remix video was made.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0DicbP7_Vo
It's always half appalling half pathetic to hear the "legit" drone zombie followers of that leadership claiming that nightbloom had quit botting after this audio was recorded. When you've been a member of a prominent hacking/botting forum for years and have been scripting ever since you started playing online, you don't just "quit botting". This isn't the sole piece of evidence though, if you belonged to the legit confederation of Venus like I did there was more than enough admissions of the key leaders that botting itself wasn't bad at all, what was bad was getting caught doing it.
The full source audio from which this remix was made might still be available on the web.

EDIT : Here it is : http://www.filedropper.com/flynight

[Tasdik]

LMAO @ the whole church reference. Freaking hilarious.

As for me, one who wasn't actually in avalon but was very close to it, I can personally attest to the fact that they didn't bot. None of them did. If anti-botting wasn't such a big deal to them then why did they shun some of their good friends who became botters? If they didn't care why the hell go through all the effort to maintain this "fake" legit paradise?

I've played with them. I was in their vent. I was a moderator on their forum for a while. If they were botting they did a damn good job of hiding it from the hundreds of legit's out there.

[Truie]

LMAO @ the whole church reference. Freaking hilarious.

This analogy goes actually very far.
The venus legits made me understand the christian churches (the catholic one but not only).

As for me, one who wasn't actually in avalon but was very close to it, I can personally attest to the fact that they didn't bot. None of them did. If anti-botting wasn't such a big deal to them then why did they shun some of their good friends who became botters?

Because it was critical to their power master plan to keep appearing as genuine legits.
How else would they have kept being trusted by the real genuine legit players they were exploiting all along, which were forming their power base ? It is even what ultimately brought their downfall : when their fake fair persona couldn't be held up anymore, when too many high profile players quit in disgust badmouthing them, when only the cynical and mean were still holding up the Global messages war... it all ended up crumbling down out of pure lack of _trust_. Too many people had been inside and knew what it was really about, too many real good fair fun witty players had left the boat in wrath, too many friends had been antagonized, mistreated, scammed, drops-stolen and so on.
The evil cancer-like empire could only survive through reforming itself on a new game's server.
In the end of the venus legit confed only the bastards, the opportunists and the candids still remained.

If they didn't care why the hell go through all the effort to maintain this "fake" legit paradise?

Have you even read my post? You've merely glanced through it apparently.
They didnt care about botting, they knew they would "pwn" the server by setting up a FAKE legit empire in which only the pawns would be real legits while they, the leaders, would profit from the best of both gameplays and drain the resources of their candid player base.

I've played with them. I was in their vent. I was a moderator on their forum for a while. If they were botting they did a damn good job of hiding it from the hundreds of legit's out there.

They didn't need to bot specifically their famous main characters in order to still have an "unfair advantage" (and reserve it only to themselves among their hierarchical structure). The "no naming nor describing of 3rd party programs" rule of this forum forbids me to specify what known tools they could have used.

P.S. In fact their nazi like anti bot stance can only be explained through them being closet botters... otherwise why the hate ? Why the tremendous intolerance, why the incredibly and laughingly strict rules, the best example of which was "you're not allowed to be friends with botters" ?
Only if they needed at all costs to prevent their real status to be known, only if they needed to keep their followers in blind ignorance could such a universal shunning of botting and botters be understood as necessary.

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

i know what is meant with the church analogy,

Spoiler!

rather going into the carrot stick idiom:
sort of making the others be the cartpulling donkeys chasing the carrot ,which they hung up infront of their noses.


While donkey works hard ,they sit back in the cart enjoying the peace and comfort in the cart because of them not asking why they never get the carrot.

but the preachers didn't worship witches (and i am confident that most still don't),
they worship money

[Truie]

the preachers didn't worship witches (and i am confident that most still don't)

do you realize that the founders of the roman catholic church were the leaders of the roman empire ?
and that that empire still goes on today, albeit hiding under various fronts like besides the catholic church, the british empire?
yeah i know, officially the british empire has lost its power and let the USA take its place.

legally though, the pope as the "vicar" (he who stands for) of christ owns the whole frigging world, humans included and the british crown acts as his holding company.
and guess what, it goes both ways : the roman empire was merely the continuation of the egyptian, phenician, babylonian, and sumerian ones.

[MrJoey]

Even now, people trying to talk about legit unions and such, inevitably brings about a mention of Avalon, which brings about accusations against Avalon despite the fact that it was A. A long fucking time ago, and B. Most if not all of Avalon doesn't really give a shit anymore what anyone here thinks. Hell, I doubt most if not all of the previous Venus players that played in their time really care all that much anymore. Every single accusation being said here, has been said a thousand times already... Quit beating a dead horse idiots.

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

the preachers didn't worship witches (and i am confident that most still don't)

do you realize that the founders of the roman catholic church were the leaders of the roman empire ?
and that that empire still goes on today, albeit hiding under various fronts like besides the catholic church, the british empire?
yeah i know, officially the british empire has lost its power and let the USA take its place.

legally though, the pope as the "vicar" (he who stands for) of christ owns the whole frigging world, humans included and the british crown acts as his holding company.
and guess what, it goes both ways : the roman empire was merely the continuation of the egyptian, phenician, babylonian, and sumerian ones.

Thanks for digging up some old school stuff, but what exactly are you trying to explain with the course of power throughout the aeons?
I just brought up the "money, not witches" thing because taking it into comparison with the Avalon story would mean that the dirty little secret is illegal, but highly demanded since it can bring advantages.

I just don't understand how worshipping witches would be of use to the preacher back in the middle ages.. and even now. It's just like some weird fetish you better keep to yourself.

Money on the other hand...
everyone needs it and there are illegal ways of getting it,
many religions explain how money can taint your soul, but somehow they want it as well and convince you to hand them bills over for a belief. In some ways that is theft -> illegal.

Sort of the "Too long to read" version of my previous post.

[Cruor]

P.S. In fact their nazi like anti bot stance can only be explained through them being closet botters... otherwise why the hate ? Why the tremendous intolerance, why the incredibly and laughingly strict rules, the best example of which was "you're not allowed to be friends with botters" ?
Only if they needed at all costs to prevent their real status to be known, only if they needed to keep their followers in blind ignorance could such a universal shunning of botting and botters be understood as necessary.

Why the hate? Because botters destroyed this game, that's why. In the beginning, some douche thought to himself, "I want to get ahead of the curve". Pretty soon others followed him just so they could catch up. A couple years go by, and you've got a game where 95% of the population is there in name only. The whole idea behind Avalon was taking that remaining 5% and kicking ass with it.

As far as I'm aware, no one was ever kicked for being friends with a botter. Assist a botter, then yeah, you'll be removed. But otherwise, there are really only two ways to be kicked from Avalon: if Fly decides you are useless, or if you are an annoying prick in Vent. Also, say what you want about nightbloom, but Fly was never a botter, and he never will be. He's not the sort of guy to let a couple of kids with third-party programs get on his nerves.

This is all coming from an unbiased third party who never played with Avalon in Silkroad.

[Memories]

Spoiler!

And so the long list of servers who tried to imitate Venus and failed in like 1 month continues....

Venus was mad fun. If 100 cap never came, I bet a lot of us Avalonians would still be around D:

Oh god you said Avalonians and I just died inside.

Wow.

Idunno o_o Isn't that the right term? Derno. My English isn't that good.

[.curve]

Idunno o_o Isn't that the right term? Derno. My English isn't that good.

I don't care either way. I think it's funny calling yourselves avalonians or any sort of variation of that. lul

Silkroad is srs biznes

[Balderdash]

Yes, pshhh...

We prefer the name Avaloonies.

And uhh, the core group quit playing the game over a year ago. Why you obsess? LOL I mean really, you gone and devised some elaborate conspiracy theory and everything. That is pretty funny.

You should go post this one their forum so they can giggle about it with everyone else.

[Ch4otik]

do you realize that the founders of the roman catholic church were the leaders of the roman empire ?

duuuurhhh

The Catholic Church (with a capital C) is indeed a political organization. but the catholic church (meaning the group called Christians who actually adhere to and live according to the teachings of Christ all over the world, this excludes the hypocritical and judgmental ones who claim to represent God and Christ) is not.

and. seems to me like you just have an animosity toward political authority and the abuse (meaning exploitation of those lacking such authority) of power.
but. get with the program. as long as humans are humans. this will always be the case. period.

oh and. yeah. does anybody know a goooood legit guild/union on Apollo? i'm starting to get bored. i find i now leave sro after playing for 30-45 mins rather than the 2 hrs i used to. unless i have absolutely nothing else to accomplish that day

[non ego man]

...you've got a game where 95% of the population is there in name only. The whole idea behind Avalon was taking that remaining 5% and kicking ass with it.

In a nutshell, as Cruor always does.

[Flow]

LOL