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So I made a cleric bard on tigris but it seems that the server is 90% of the euro side are wizards players and their parties are like 6 wiz ,1 cleric and 1 warrior is every server like that? what's good about wizards lol?
Also what does 24/7 party mean? cause I am pretty sure no one is going to play in a party for 168 continuous hours right? or are they bots?

most of the wizards are probably bots.

madah123 wrote:So I made a cleric bard on tigris but it seems that the server is 90% of the euro side are wizards players and their parties are like 6 wiz ,1 cleric and 1 warrior is every server like that? what's good about wizards lol?
Also what does 24/7 party mean? cause I am pretty sure no one is going to play in a party for 168 continuous hours right? or are they bots?

correct,

and most people go wiz because of the high damage:
they are accepted in any party
mostly 1 hit kill to say "haha nobb"
and can taxi at a low level

oh and the first 2 points are perfect for turks, so you have a big percentage of the reason there

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

madah123 wrote:So I made a cleric bard on tigris but it seems that the server is 90% of the euro side are wizards players and their parties are like 6 wiz ,1 cleric and 1 warrior is every server like that? what's good about wizards lol?
Also what does 24/7 party mean? cause I am pretty sure no one is going to play in a party for 168 continuous hours right? or are they bots?

correct,

and most people go wiz because of the high damage:
they are accepted in any party
mostly 1 hit kill to say "haha nobb"
and can taxi at a low level

oh and the first 2 points are perfect for turks, so you have a big percentage of the reason there

I thought the point of euro that they could be strong when they are in a party and solely they are weaker than Chinese chars so would a party with 2 warriors(with pain on the wizards) , 1 cleric, 2 wizards(both with life control), 1 warlock and 2 bards(with dance of magic) be stronger 6 wizs ,1warrior and 1 cleric?

Wiz isn't ideal for a fun PvP since its often over quick either due to them 1 shotting you with control, or you one shotting them. I hate when you play ctf and get killed as a wiz with control you get called a noob.. or get killed by a wiz with control.. Or one shotted by xbow rogue with Long shot extreme. Goes to show they've never really played Euro much at all. It almost always first shot wins.

Also I made a cleric bard solely to be involved in a lot of party play however all they need is an "ateckker" they can't even spell it right lol...

Blackdragon6 wrote:Wiz isn't ideal for a fun PvP since its often over quick either due to them 1 shotting you with control, or you one shotting them. I hate when you play ctf and get killed as a wiz with control you get called a noob.. or get killed by a wiz with control.. Or one shotted by xbow rogue with Long shot extreme. Goes to show they've never really played Euro much at all. It almost always first shot wins.

i once got 51 tickets as a rogue in ctf because everyone of the opposing team was a wiz
that is the fun twist in the story.

madah123 wrote:I thought the point of euro that they could be strong when they are in a party and solely they are weaker than Chinese chars so would
a party with 2 warriors(with pain on the wizards) , 1 cleric, 2 wizards(both with life control), 1 warlock and 2 bards(with dance of magic)
be stronger 6 wizs ,1warrior and 1 cleric?

red: how it should be (and will be by legend x)

blue: how it is with the option of permabless
at int mobs it's without a warrior,
and it's usually with 2 bards sitting somewhere providing 2tambours and 1 dance

So in the long run do you think from your expertise that I will be able to go to normal good parties as a bard cleric? or there will be only bots and stupid parties till 110?

madah123 wrote:So in the long run do you think from your expertise that I will be able to go to normal good parties as a bard cleric? or there will be only bots and stupid parties till 110?

Depends on what server you are on. New servers give Legits the chance to get started out new, but you'll have to buy a prem to keep up with the Legits, or Bots that play when they have a party. I am in a guild with some bots/some legits, but if a party is available with enough ppl, they hand grind almost all the time.

So in the long run do you think from your expertise that I will be able to go to normal good parties as a bard cleric? or there will be only bots and stupid parties till 110?

The truth is somewhere in between, once you hit 80 there are a lot of parties in Jangan cave that ask for bard or cleric. You're better off on a new server, honestly, otherwise you'll have to solo a lot and take parties where you can. If you play legit be ready to be kicked out of 24/7 parties when you tell them "I don't bot". Self-powerlevel parties, pretty much.

Get in a good active guild with decent players who are around the same level as you. Otherwise like I said, you'll solo a lot, wait for taxis or guild/union powerlevel, try to get into parties, and generally be kind of frustrated.

Oh, and bard/cleric once you get a little past 80 is a lot of fun to use for powerlevel at ongs, I kept ksing an 84 wiz last night I was really surprised how fast bards can be at killing.

Well I am on tigris so it is fairly a new server unless joymax makes a new one each week... what about jobing or fortress?

Jobbing? I would assume you can do some of it from 20-40, not sure.

On Iris jobbing is tough as there are so many botters that I can't keep up with them, so I get owned as a hunter about 50% of the time. And fortress is set about two hours before I wake up and go to work, so I've never partaken.

madah123 wrote:Well I am on tigris so it is fairly a new server unless joymax makes a new one each week... what about jobing or fortress?

i`m playing as an warrior s/s, lvl 20 atm
If you wanna party with me it will be cool
Just try to pm me ingame ZuperMan

Yes indeed there are tons of wizards. The reason is that everybody wants to be the first with a full farmed noob char. To achieve that they need some wizards to power lvl themself with at ongs. That's why there are always tons of wizards on every new server

ltsune wrote:Yes indeed there are tons of wizards. The reason is that everybody wants to be the first with a full farmed noob char. To achieve that they need some wizards to power lvl themself with at ongs. That's why there are always tons of wizards on every new server

fools fail to recognize that a rogue/bard is better

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

ltsune wrote:Yes indeed there are tons of wizards. The reason is that everybody wants to be the first with a full farmed noob char. To achieve that they need some wizards to power lvl themself with at ongs. That's why there are always tons of wizards on every new server

fools fail to recognize that a rogue/bard is better

its better if you have rogue/bard at lv85+ where they can 1 hit party ongs, but you only need 64-72 wizard to 1 hit party ongs with LT.

The reason I made a Wiz is to one shot mobs and level faster yea, but that is because I failed my Spear Hybrid nuker.. and He can't even 1 shot his own level with a +3 wep yet all the time. He won't be a good hybrid till he's 100+ and I go rest INT on him. So a Wiz is my way of compensating. The amount of Wiz made is dissapointing, but you can say that about any class such as 2H warriors. 2 many of them at Cap.

would a party of 6 wizs 1 cleric and 1 warrior last against a party giant with few mob friends?

madah123 wrote:would a party of 6 wizs 1 cleric and 1 warrior last against a party giant with few mob friends?

Bot Party, Not likely. Legit Party, More likely.

Try 2 Party Giants at once.. That's shit is annoying lol.

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

Blackdragon6 wrote:Wiz isn't ideal for a fun PvP since its often over quick either due to them 1 shotting you with control, or you one shotting them. I hate when you play ctf and get killed as a wiz with control you get called a noob.. or get killed by a wiz with control.. Or one shotted by xbow rogue with Long shot extreme. Goes to show they've never really played Euro much at all. It almost always first shot wins.

i once got 51 tickets as a rogue in ctf because everyone of the opposing team was a wiz
that is the fun twist in the story.

madah123 wrote:I thought the point of euro that they could be strong when they are in a party and solely they are weaker than Chinese chars so would
a party with 2 warriors(with pain on the wizards) , 1 cleric, 2 wizards(both with life control), 1 warlock and 2 bards(with dance of magic)
be stronger 6 wizs ,1warrior and 1 cleric?

red: how it should be (and will be by legend x)

blue: how it is with the option of permabless
at int mobs it's without a warrior,
and it's usually with 2 bards sitting somewhere providing 2tambours and 1 dance

For comparison, kSRO players use the following setup:

1 STR cleric (to tank mobs)
1 Warrior (warrior buffs + lure)
1 Lurer (CH nuker or STR char)
2 Bards
3 Damage (2 Wiz / 1 Lock, or sometimes 3 Wiz)

I'm not sure why the STR cleric hasn't really caught on with iSRO but it works pretty well.

lotri wrote:

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

Blackdragon6 wrote:Wiz isn't ideal for a fun PvP since its often over quick either due to them 1 shotting you with control, or you one shotting them. I hate when you play ctf and get killed as a wiz with control you get called a noob.. or get killed by a wiz with control.. Or one shotted by xbow rogue with Long shot extreme. Goes to show they've never really played Euro much at all. It almost always first shot wins.

i once got 51 tickets as a rogue in ctf because everyone of the opposing team was a wiz
that is the fun twist in the story.

madah123 wrote:I thought the point of euro that they could be strong when they are in a party and solely they are weaker than Chinese chars so would
a party with 2 warriors(with pain on the wizards) , 1 cleric, 2 wizards(both with life control), 1 warlock and 2 bards(with dance of magic)
be stronger 6 wizs ,1warrior and 1 cleric?

red: how it should be (and will be by legend x)

blue: how it is with the option of permabless
at int mobs it's without a warrior,
and it's usually with 2 bards sitting somewhere providing 2tambours and 1 dance

For comparison, kSRO players use the following setup:

1 STR cleric (to tank mobs)
1 Warrior (warrior buffs + lure)
1 Lurer (CH nuker or STR char)
2 Bards
3 Damage (2 Wiz / 1 Lock, or sometimes 3 Wiz)

I'm not sure why the STR cleric hasn't really caught on with iSRO but it works pretty well.

Yeah, that's pretty much the setup at csro too. I guess most people don't know how effective str clerics can be, lol.

jyushinshuu wrote:

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

ltsune wrote:Yes indeed there are tons of wizards. The reason is that everybody wants to be the first with a full farmed noob char. To achieve that they need some wizards to power lvl themself with at ongs. That's why there are always tons of wizards on every new server

fools fail to recognize that a rogue/bard is better

its better if you have rogue/bard at lv85+ where they can 1 hit party ongs, but you only need 64-72 wizard to 1 hit party ongs with LT.

wizards need lvl 64 to effectively pwrlvl, but it is normally restricted to ongs because they lack lionshoutish quick attacks (apart from autoattack) and at alternative huns they'd have to run half the time.

rogues need lvl 72-76 to pwrlvl well, up to 8 lvls difference
but they barely stay idle with fastshot so they can snipe stray ongs if there are none at their spot.
+ they can be as effective at the huns since those hunting areas are further apart

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:
wizards need lvl 64 to effectively pwrlvl, but it is normally restricted to ongs because they lack lionshoutish quick attacks (apart from autoattack) and at alternative huns they'd have to run half the time.

rogues need lvl 72-76 to pwrlvl well, up to 8 lvls difference
but they barely stay idle with fastshot so they can snipe stray ongs if there are none at their spot.
+ they can be as effective at the huns since those hunting areas are further apart

not really, there around 7 spots in ongs where wizards just stay idle cuz of unlimited mobs spawn. the whole point to use wizards in farming cuz of splash dmg, especially lv90+ wizards where they can kill 3-5 party mobs in 1 shot, you just have to know where these spots are then wizards is still better than all other builds in power farming in ongs. bards also is pretty fast but they can only kill 1 mob at a time, booming chord has splash dmg but i dont think it can multi kil party ongs cuz they are low damage, i've only seen lv85 bard doing plv btw. bards is also ideal if you dont have gold cuz u only need them for repairs, you dont have to buy mp pots.

Rogues are also good but same as bard 1mob per skill. u need around lv85+ rogue to 1shot party ongs too, cuz only 1 skill of rogue has great dmg that's below lv80 rogues are not every effective + need to brings a lot of bolts + mp pots, makes you go to town more often than bards and wizards.