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How do you kill a pure str bower that only uses the 2 kb spam.

I only see 3 possible ways.

Warlock debuffs/Warrior kb stuns, than bleed and dd crits with enough dmg to kill/Wiz in LT kb than meteors

Is there any way to beat them besides that? I mean just straight up kb spamm-age. I can't pull off any chains, kd, nuke, etc. Everytime i start something it gets cancelled.

I don't think walls would work since bowers have one of the largest range, and dashing is useless since kb pushes u right back after getting close. Only method for chn char i can think of so far is br 100% shield and hope you block enough.

dont pvp him ?

yea dont pvp him, its too annoying when an archer spam kb.

supermando wrote:dont pvp him ?

So that is like admitting there is not a way to beat him. Woo hoo, how much fun.

Haha I played with My freinds int bower... Was awesome xD kb kb kb die. Dunno but it feels good pissing off ppl >>> trolling ^^

Goseki wrote:How do you kill a pure str bower that only uses the 2 kb spam.

I only see 3 possible ways.

Warlock debuffs/Warrior kb stuns, than bleed and dd crits with enough dmg to kill/Wiz in LT kb than meteors

Is there any way to beat them besides that? I mean just straight up kb spamm-age. I can't pull off any chains, kd, nuke, etc. Everytime i start something it gets cancelled.

I don't think walls would work since bowers have one of the largest range, and dashing is useless since kb pushes u right back after getting close. Only method for chn char i can think of so far is br 100% shield and hope you block enough.

As a light nuker, i would zip/phantom towards my target midway thru the arrow combo (KB) and KD him. Also what i noticed between the 1st light nuke and the 2nd one is the time it took to cast the nuke and launch the skill.

As a warrior, i would zip/sprint assault the target which normally stuns/KBs him then follow up with sudden twist/turn rising (KD)

If you are a 2-handed Warrior, the skill that uses dash(forget the name) or something towards your enemy and just hope for a stun. That's the only way to pull your trigger.

If you are Chinese melee, you are right..the Phantom Walk from Lighting Force and a very good shield is very helpful. Just blink-in yourself towards him/her and take advantage (of course with a heck of a luck).

But right, KB is kinda annoying but there is always a chance to do your damage.

Thing is, I get this really annoying lag from the kb. Like it'll take 3-5 secs before my next skill registers, kinda like the lag when you get kd.

reyvenb wrote:If you are a 2-handed Warrior, the skill that uses dash(forget the name) or something towards your enemy and just hope for a stun. That's the only way to pull your trigger.

If you are Chinese melee, you are right..the Phantom Walk from Lighting Force and a very good shield is very helpful. Just blink-in yourself towards him/her and take advantage (of course with a heck of a luck).

But right, KB is kinda annoying but there is always a chance to do your damage.

Stun doesnt work anymore if bowers use Fire Wall.

i think its impossible for chinas.......just save your time and dont pvp him.

for warrior, its doable, but you need atleast DD crit + follow up crit. else he will just start KBing you back again.


everytime i see a bower doing 1v1 and spamming kb, i gang up on him, these bitches need to learn how to play.

a real bower, which i know, switched to shield when he gets DD'ed, than sprints away to fire a shot, he doesnt stand there and kb like a prick.

its the same if a warrior uses bless + skins, IMPOSSIBLE to beat him.

if you are a bicheon or heuksal user, use the skills that enhance the phys/mag. blockrate.
the 43% added br makes you avoid enough to have a chance to hit

Phenom_ wrote:

supermando wrote:dont pvp him ?

So that is like admitting there is not a way to beat him. Woo hoo, how much fun.

If he has to use such a cheap tactic to be 'unbeatable' sure, let him think he's god. In the meantime I'll find a real pvp match.

Rogue x-bow. Done. lol. Crossbow extreme with Long/Distance Shot. I was watching some high level pvp awhile ago and I seen some heavy spammers, but then the Rogue vs CHN Bower was pretty interesting. And Pure Int Bowers? I think they are the dumbest build.. Why use Nukes when you already got distance attacks?

Blackdragon6 wrote:Rogue x-bow. Done. lol. Crossbow extreme with Long/Distance Shot. I was watching some high level pvp awhile ago and I seen some heavy spammers, but then the Rogue vs CHN Bower was pretty interesting. And Pure Int Bowers? I think they are the dumbest build.. Why use Nukes when you already got distance attacks?

Pure int bower dumbest????? say that again when you have tried that build at max level. I have 2 friends that is pure int bower and they are very fast levelers and very strong in pvp. They really know how to play the build right, and it doesn't suck at all. I hardly seen them being beaten in 1on1 pvp.

On topic: to those someone say that phantom and KD or nuke. say that again when u pvp a KB spammer archer. let's say you can land 1 skill on them, then what's next? you're being KB again and his hp is back at 100%. It is almost impossible to kill a KB spammer.

jyushinshuu wrote:

Blackdragon6 wrote:Rogue x-bow. Done. lol. Crossbow extreme with Long/Distance Shot. I was watching some high level pvp awhile ago and I seen some heavy spammers, but then the Rogue vs CHN Bower was pretty interesting. And Pure Int Bowers? I think they are the dumbest build.. Why use Nukes when you already got distance attacks?

Pure int bower dumbest????? say that again when you have tried that build at max level. I have 2 friends that is pure int bower and they are very fast levelers and very strong in pvp. They really know how to play the build right, and it doesn't suck at all. I hardly seen them being beaten in 1on1 pvp.

On topic: to those someone say that phantom and KD or nuke. say that again when u pvp a KB spammer archer. let's say you can land 1 skill on them, then what's next? you're being KB again and his hp is back at 100%. It is almost impossible to kill a KB spammer.

Considering all Bowers INT have to Kb spam to stay alive against another build.. yea it's the dumbest. If I remember correctly, Bows have the physical / magical attack closer to a blade than a sword, so even a Full Int Sword Nuker would be stronger. Plus they could block.

Warrior >>>Assualt and kd or Axe stun+ bleed or sheild kb
wizz>>>> firebolt or run
warlock >>> stun then rape him
nuker s/s or blader phantom and kd
glaiver >>> keep using ghost. Spear sears it kbs

Those are the builts I tried ^^ but pure buffers and other euro go clric

run out of range, come back, 1 meteor, enough

Blackdragon6 wrote:

jyushinshuu wrote:

Blackdragon6 wrote:Rogue x-bow. Done. lol. Crossbow extreme with Long/Distance Shot. I was watching some high level pvp awhile ago and I seen some heavy spammers, but then the Rogue vs CHN Bower was pretty interesting. And Pure Int Bowers? I think they are the dumbest build.. Why use Nukes when you already got distance attacks?

Pure int bower dumbest????? say that again when you have tried that build at max level. I have 2 friends that is pure int bower and they are very fast levelers and very strong in pvp. They really know how to play the build right, and it doesn't suck at all. I hardly seen them being beaten in 1on1 pvp.

On topic: to those someone say that phantom and KD or nuke. say that again when u pvp a KB spammer archer. let's say you can land 1 skill on them, then what's next? you're being KB again and his hp is back at 100%. It is almost impossible to kill a KB spammer.

Considering all Bowers INT have to Kb spam to stay alive against another build.. yea it's the dumbest. If I remember correctly, Bows have the physical / magical attack closer to a blade than a sword, so even a Full Int Sword Nuker would be stronger. Plus they could block.

Int bowers who know what they are doing use KB to keep the damage they take in check when they are low on hp.
Spamming it is a waste when every attack is at least as dangerous as a mininuke.

hey man, i know your frustration and know how annyoying it can be to pvp a stupid bower who spam kb all the way through your snow shield and then finally starts to attack when it goes down. The way in which i have now over come this is the following:

1. Yes you are right in saying that BR is important. BR 18+ will see you through and is'nt that hard to achieve. 18+ can be achieved with 50 stones MAX. Use 10 stones a day for 5 days tho instead of all at once and your guarnated to get 18+ br.

2. You will need to get your parry as high as you can. For a light nuker, 580+ should be what your parry ratio is. IF you can get 630+ like me then you will definitely see the difference. If you are really getting KB spam then pop a trigger scroll and BOOm your parry is 700+. When i use a trigger scroll 4/5 KB dont affect me and i can usually squirt out 2 nukes with out being interrupted and then KD the sucka and finnish him with stabs.

3. ALWAYS ALWAYS make sure you have bleed on ur opponent. Smashing series skills give bleed and take 1-2 seconds to do menaing you can use em everytime you get yo your opponent. Giving bleed means your nuke damage will go from 20-25k up to 25-30k (easily if not more) which makes all the difference when pvping a noob KB spam bower

hope this helps

^ lol at you for thinking parry affects your br or what ever.

Parry Does'nt affect your BR no.
Parry affects chances of getting KB YES.
You have to have a decent/HIGH parry for it to be noticable, i'm 100% sure on this as i've seen it with my char. Easiest way to see is get a bower to kb you and see how mnay times you go back, then just pop a trigger scroll and get a bower to kb you again and count how many times you go back
been playign silkroad since 70 cap, and this is what i've seen through out.
Also parry affects whetehr the opponent will hit you with the higher end of their damage or the lower. Test this with the light imbue. Normal Attack someone, then put the light debuff from the imbue on then and normal attack them again. You will see

Remove your cape and murder him? Thats a fast and easy way no?

Boom wizzord.

Blackdragon6 wrote:Considering all Bowers INT have to Kb spam to stay alive against another build.. yea it's the dumbest. If I remember correctly, Bows have the physical / magical attack closer to a blade than a sword, so even a Full Int Sword Nuker would be stronger. Plus they could block.

that's why there is KB to compensate the lack of br and hp. DUH??

have you ever seen a capped full int archers in real pvp??

jyushinshuu wrote:

Blackdragon6 wrote:Considering all Bowers INT have to Kb spam to stay alive against another build.. yea it's the dumbest. If I remember correctly, Bows have the physical / magical attack closer to a blade than a sword, so even a Full Int Sword Nuker would be stronger. Plus they could block.

that's why there is KB to compensate the lack of br and hp. DUH??

have you ever seen a capped full int archers in real pvp??

+1. a lot of ppl say INT bowers suck, idk why

They have bad crits, ye, but their overall dmg is very close to a STR's crit.
Low Hp,hmm, snow, and KB/Stun/phantom out when low hp...

Get a INT bower capped and go pvp, then say it sucks, until then, stfu... All builds are good if you know how to use them,

Tia wrote:

jyushinshuu wrote:

Blackdragon6 wrote:All builds are good if you know how to use them,

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Tia wrote:

jyushinshuu wrote:

Blackdragon6 wrote:Considering all Bowers INT have to Kb spam to stay alive against another build.. yea it's the dumbest. If I remember correctly, Bows have the physical / magical attack closer to a blade than a sword, so even a Full Int Sword Nuker would be stronger. Plus they could block.

that's why there is KB to compensate the lack of br and hp. DUH??

have you ever seen a capped full int archers in real pvp??

+1. a lot of ppl say INT bowers suck, idk why

They have bad crits, ye, but their overall dmg is very close to a STR's crit.
Low Hp,hmm, snow, and KB/Stun/phantom out when low hp...

Get a INT bower capped and go pvp, then say it sucks, until then, stfu... All builds are good if you know how to use them,

+1x5/5

pure str wizzard/bard

BloodyBlade wrote:pure str wizzard/bard

defeat him by rooting him to the ground and running?