Idea for war against bots?

[lol123]

Seeing as how i couldnt post in bot discussion area for being to "new", im hoping general discussion will do.

i used to play this game, a few years ago on troy, and quit because of overcrowdedness due to gold bots. i am now back and (now that i am willing to spend $15 a month for premium) loving it again. However bots r still around :S.

during the time spent away from silkroad, i played sword of the new world, and this game had something that i found interesting called "spinels". A quick backround, SotNW is an mmorpg that lets u control up to 3 characters at a time and create up to a total of 64 characters(at the moment). This game has an [b]auto attack feature[b], thus one could level up afk.
however, some players(of course) abused this and had multiple accounts running in different areas.

the "Spinel" was used to get rid of these afk's. A spinel was essentially a jewel that summoned a monster. This monster would immediately aggro the first player that moved, and usually people used high level monsters to get the job done and clear some of these afk'ers.

the monsters summoned from these spinels were not bosses, and did not drop anything good. it was just used to summon that monster. If this was used in Silkroad, this would be an example:

player kills a niya sniper, niya sniper has a small chance to drop this summoning jewel/item, player then goes to some bots, uses item, normal mob niya sniper summoned from item rapes gold botter and has a time limit before it despawns ( ' - ' )b

this of course would have some problems as follows:

1. high level botters - if its a high level, there wouldnt be that many things that could kill him/her.

2. gold bot respawn - no matter how many times u murder/lure mobs too/ watch as they get sacked by mob, they always come back >.<

3.abuse of item -instead of aimed at botters, ur friendly high lvl can go and realease high level mobs on poor little ol noobs


this of course is just an idea, and id like to hear wat others think about idea this on silkroad

plz no flamming/smack talk or question about SotNW(sword of the new world), if u have questions about that go look it up this is silkroad after all

[DinoNuggets]

bad way to spend your first post, this thread is gonna die out within a day or 2. its gonna be filled with mockery. you need to learn that sro will never get rid of bots.
/thread.

[lol123]

thank you for reading the last line >:P

[asusi]

[Snazzi]

Quit.

[lol123]

lol unbelievable, was just an idea, who knew forums would contain such !#*#$@ people, nice way to greet new people, i love the professional /flame/beatdown in a matter of seconds, cheers

/close

[jyushinshuu]

If I remember correctly there was an item similar to that in isro but deleted when the euro update came or the 80 capped came (not sure when it was deleted)

The item was called protector and it can be bought in All Jewel shop. That item can only be bought 1/hour since i has 1 hour cooldown till you can buy it again.

that item when used will summon a lv1 mob called protector( its like a ball of fire floating).
when someone attacked that summon it will automatically explode right infront of the attacker and will 1 hit him whatever the HP or level he is. (the damage is equal the the HP of the attacker)

The reason that item was deleted because of the abuse of players. they summon it on pvp grounds where there are a lot of people using AoE skill which would trigger the summnon the exploded even if the does not meant to attack that summon(just a splash of AoE skills could kill them)

I think that item was really for anti bot, but joymax soon realized that bot could give them more money so they remove the anti bot item.

[Snazzi]

Sheesh, calm down mate. I said what I thought to be the best solution ... Didn't flame you at all lol. Enjoy your stay.

[neo3110]

I think your idea is good, still there are some other issues you need to know, for instance:

-Joymax want the game to be full with bots and it support bots by indirect way.

-Even thought if you have "spinel" to summon it on a bot to kill it, the bot will simply go to the city after dying and it will come back again and you will never get rid of it that easily.

-The "Assault mood" or the "Defend mood" both of them are made because Sword of the new world is different at spawn rate, basically all the dungeons and open areas got high spawn rate.

The summary is: Joymax got total different situation which makes your idea hard to be applied.
What you really need is real management of silkroad, management like what WoW has, until then this game will be the heaven of bots, and no one will ever can do something about it, it has to come from up.

[CrimsonNuker]

Welcome to SRF :soahppy:

[Snazzi]

I think your idea is good, still there are some other issues you need to know, for instance:

-Joymax want the game to be full with bots and it support bots by indirect way.

-Even thought if you have "spinel" to summon it on a bot to kill it, the bot will simply go to the city after dying and it will come back again and you will never get rid of it that easily.

-The "Assault mood" or the "Defend mood" both of them are made because Sword of the new world is different at spawn rate, basically all the dungeons and open areas got high spawn rate.

The summary is: Joymax got total different situation which makes your idea hard to be applied.
What you really need is real management of silkroad, management like what WoW has, until then this game will be the heaven of bots, and no one will ever can do something about it, it has to come from up.

This, and this won't happen because Joymax rakes in shitloads of cash from the bots/gold sites.

[Gaigemasta]

look guys! u scared the n00b away, damn flamers get to thread before the good honest do T_T, good example how dicks slowly piss napalm on the forums -_-

[Amro]

tldr

[Bananaman]

look guys! u scared the n00b away, damn flamers get to thread before the good honest do T_T, good example how dicks slowly piss napalm on the forums -_-

its his fault for paying attention to the flamers, and then putting the last line:please dont flame blah blah blah

it was like he was already expecting to be flamed. . .i mean seriously if he wasnt expecting to be flamed I might feel some sympathy, but then again it was his choice for pussying out and not returning to the thread.

I mean really the world has people that arent nice to you things that you dont want etc. . .and if you keep focusing on the negative YOU WILL MISS the positive period.

Dont encourage him in giving his power up, and expect others to act differently so that HE can feel good...

He has to feel good on his own, and really if he cant do that, then the world is gonna be a horrible place for him.

If he wants to give the trolls his power and bases his reactions and his feelings on what they say then thats his problem, not yours or anyone elses(or even mine for that matter. . .goes without saying...but then again I dont really get butthurt over what other people type on the forums...)

So answer this question, who are you giving YOUR power to?

I mean really there has been flaming trolling on this section of the forum since the beginning, did you some how expect your rage at the trollers to magically make them stop? Do you think you have the power to make someone stop doing ANYTHING that you don't want to do because of how you might feel?(which is in your control)

What makes you think that this latest post of yours is gonna make people all *nice and happy* or rather how YOU want them to be?
Not going to happen unless you
a)ignore the flamers
b)let people live their own lives and fight(ignore really) their own battles
c)comment on the good posts in this thread and ignore the bad (something which you failed to do) There were lots of good posts here that you missed and instead decided to comment on the ones that weren't what you would like to have seen...

+TL;DR Ignore the trolls, look for the good things(posts) let people take care of themselves. . .if they're old enough to use the internet then they can deal with it, and if they cant, not your problem

I am done.

[iztupido]

tldr

this, nice effort tho, too bad joymax couldn't care less

[neo3110]

I say we all go learn Korean language and go play Hangame's games, they got so many cool stuff xD

내가 사랑 Hangame
평화 형제

[Gladiator_RN]

haha nice welcome to that new guy

/fail

[TillTheEnd]

there's is no solution if the company in charge is not willing/don't want to solve the problem.

[ping_lo]

Every idea presented in this thread has either existed in SRO at one time or has been rehashed adnauseum over the years. Protectors never worked. The only bots that ever died from them were the arcaeic screen clicker bots way back when sro first opened and the binay was packed and encrypted. Now a days the game binary is neither packed or encrypted making data injection in to the client trivial. Bots recognised protectors and avoided them. In the end the protector was only good for harrasing the ignorant and the new.

Spinnels on sro were monster scrolls that dropped durring the frequent(lol once a year or so) events. They would spawn based on the summoners level. They were used to harras mostly gold and player bots to great effect. But while joymax could not be bothered to ban a bot esp a player bot the player bots reported the ones spawning to joymax and got them perma banned. After these incidents joymax made monster scroll spawns a special subset of monsters that only attacked when attacked. The bots just detected and avoided them.

The best we could ever do against bots is exploit glitches which were more likely to get the player cleaning out the bots banned and the bots left to run amok. Hundreds of great solutions have been suggested over the years. Not a single one will ever be implemented. Joymax is the single worst mmo company on the planet. Yeah you heard me. Even the sony SWG combat update pales in comparison to joymax's negligent incompetence. Simple matter of fact statement. If you wish to play SRO go to any server not run by joymax.

[Mirosuke]

Well, pretty much you look it for it.

[Fiction]

There's a war?

Offtopic: Mirosuke's Sig is making my azn fever flare up ='(

[KylieMinogue]

[NuclearSilo]

Hire a hacker, attack the bot server, database

[lotri]

Something I've heard about in kSRO is that GMs sometimes put these L140 monsters in the common bot zones. So you have to be careful when you're running out of town.. and also in high-traffic bot areas. Basically, they have an AoE which 1-shots most transports (3-shots Behemoths) and should 1-shot all players if unblocked.

There were also these floating orbs which indicated the AoE radius of the mobs. That way, real players would know how to run through the minefield to get to the other side safely. Or.. you can have fun and use KB skills to get people killed xD

Only problem is that the bot companies would repath their bots pretty quickly. So it would take some dedication to constantly move/respawn the high level mobs. But damn... I saw a couple screenshots with SOOOOO many bots running around Hotan and Donwhang

[PR0METHEUS]

lol unbelievable, was just an idea, who knew forums would contain such !#*#$@ people, nice way to greet new people, i love the professional /flame/beatdown in a matter of seconds, cheers

/close

Please ignore all of the inconsiderate flamers. Not all of us SRFers are like that. As I believe someone pointed out, SRO used to have an item like this. It was called a Protector. You buy it from an NPC shop and summon it out in a grinding area. If anyone attacks it, the player dies instantly. So you could spawn it in an area infested with gold bots. The bots will attack, and die.

Problem was, a lot of people abused it. They spawned it around newbie players who did not know about it. Those players attacked and died. You were only supposed to be able to summon one of these per hour. However, there was a glitch in the system where you could summon one, log off, log on, and immediately summon another one. Joymax removed them from the game sometime around the 80 cap.