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is there a chance of winning with out getting extremly luky with the debuff
iam pvping S\S against my other char bower\Force and dont have a chance really
nice set + nice weapon not too bad skillz , got P+ and devil still lack hp
to go against str , and iam not a noob so u ppl will say and i know how to use my skill but still the charcter just doesnt have enough hp to stand against bower or blader or warrior .
is there any advice for me or just delete the char and go warrior

you just need some sosun

Well another one for the wrong section to be locked by Baro, but as for an answer,

Have you tried using walls? What's your build? A well timed wall, dash, kd stab could get you a win. Bowers are just hard to kill imo. Knock-back Spamming until snow is over is just about as fun as a wiz/cleric using heals and buffs until snow is gone as well. Lvl 100 might have better chance since you might be able to time your chain to fear or stun them and than a quick bleed than kd stab, wall, nuke. Lots of variables. It's possible, just not easy. Besides, not like the bower is instant killing you either is he? PVP often ends up with who times the skills right. I've had one round last through 4 snows. Finally one person messed up and died.

This is the absolute truth: Pure str will always have an advantage over pure/hybrid chinese,any good chinese str can tank int, why? vigors+pills. yes there are many int that win vs str but i dare say that they poor noobies that can't get a good set of jewels/set. and yes vigors are common use for str, only idiots that think that is "not fair" to use vigors loose, 43-47k and use normal hp don't think so, oh and yeah str can use snow shield too. Im pure str (prot)and get hit for 13-14k dmg by nuke, yet there are other str with prot set that get hit 22k LOL. high absorption ftw, Jewe set>98-100 set, +7 jewels= I dare say int will never kill str.

More or less. Pure str/ Str Hybrid builds are for pvp. Pure Int/Int Hybrid are for mob and unique killing. Overall High dmg vs a few high dmg crits. Forever tank vs 2 min tank.

agentcool5 wrote:is there a chance of winning with out getting extremly luky with the debuff
iam pvping S\S against my other char bower\Force and dont have a chance really
nice set + nice weapon not too bad skillz , got P+ and devil still lack hp
to go against str , and iam not a noob so u ppl will say and i know how to use my skill but still the charcter just doesnt have enough hp to stand against bower or blader or warrior .
is there any advice for me or just delete the char and go warrior

Let me be the first then to say that you are a noob. Sure you can win with an int char, but you got to think. What you're asking is like trying to drift with a dragster around a corner. But fuuck me what do I know, you know how to use your skills yeah. Get lucky with debuff lol

Goseki wrote:More or less. Pure str/ Str Hybrid builds are for pvp. Pure Int/Int Hybrid are for mob and unique killing. Overall High dmg vs a few high dmg crits. Forever tank vs 2 min tank.

+1 Its really a matter of surviving those 2 minutes, then you can eat away at the Pure INT's hp in seconds.

Pure int s/s ( bicheon / light / cold ) is the best pvp build .

S3by wrote:Pure int s/s ( bicheon / light / cold ) is the best pvp build .

you forgot to add best pvp build while snow still up after that is down any other char can kill it guess its a best pvp build?

U forgot iron wall .

S3by wrote:Pure int s/s ( bicheon / light / cold ) is the best pvp build .

ehhh
-1?
theres no best
everyone knows that
but there are always the better at certain caps
and this cap its bowers

S3by wrote:Pure int s/s ( bicheon / light / cold ) is the best pvp build .

lol i laughed pretty hard at your post, its not so good pvp build and im not saying that pure str is good either, bowers go down in 3 skills and glaivers in 4 skills.And i dont go down, wanna know why? because i know how to play my build.I like to pvp euros coz they think that bless/skins will help them against me, i just tank them and kill them in 2 skills when they go off, then they say "fck lag" i say "delete char".

On topic: I read your post and i assume your pure int that's gonna vs a str, ok just put debuffs and nuke kd and stab.bleed+division=BB.str's 42-43k hp ,bleed and division then nuke=HUGE dmg, then you just need to kd and stab to death.Only glaivers can survive bleed/division and tanking the nuke and stabs, shield has to be equipped ofcourse.

Fimero wrote:

S3by wrote:Pure int s/s ( bicheon / light / cold ) is the best pvp build .

ehhh
-1?
theres no best
everyone knows that
but there are always the better at certain caps
and this cap its bowers

bowers are overrated lol, idk the diff b/w 90 cap bow and 100 cap bow, they are "better" cuz they arrow combo 2x in a row? basically what u are saying that bower will always be better till the final cap since they have 2x kb

The truth is that Set=wins unless is a force chinese, that gives bit of an advantage.

TillTheEnd wrote:

Fimero wrote:

S3by wrote:Pure int s/s ( bicheon / light / cold ) is the best pvp build .

ehhh
-1?
theres no best
everyone knows that
but there are always the better at certain caps
and this cap its bowers

bowers are overrated lol, idk the diff b/w 90 cap bow and 100 cap bow, they are "better" cuz they arrow combo 2x in a row? basically what u are saying that bower will always be better till the final cap since they have 2x kb

The truth is that Set=wins unless is a force chinese, that gives bit of an advantage.

well the 2x kb is a life saver and a constant controlling move
crits are hard, ranged, stuns,pot delay.
they could be better from now one idk what skills other builds get
they are overrated but its for a reason
its not like theres all this hype and they suck

hah, dude i know how to use my skills walls kd , but its just 2 min with knockback and using firewalls +snow + vigors
they tank the 2 min and w8 for the snow to run out then start to use skills
that is the bowers i cant kill right now , cuz the are kb spam geeks
fi they didn't spam iam sure its knockdown with some stabs and 1 nuke and its over
i dont have any problem with the char in pvp except 3 char ,
warrior with over healling , hiding wizzard and spamming kb bower,
and i have a bower force myself thats why i know

I can kill str's just fine with my int. But in your case the chances you win are slim because it's a force archer. I have only lost a few matches against ints on my force archer and that was because some of them had Sun Swords. You should do fine against other str builds with 100 Ice or 80Light/20Ice.

as a 91 glavier pvpving ints my lvl is laughable, most of the time i can just whip out my shield, sit down and wait for their snow to finish, then i rapeith them in the anus

dominoes wrote:as a 91 glavier pvpving ints my lvl is laughable, most of the time i can just whip out my shield, sit down and wait for their snow to finish, then i rapeith them in the anus

Well ain't you a tough guy, that's not pvp. That's just waiting like some pussy untill their snow ends >.< I can usually tank glaives untill my snow comes back lol, kd/fire or ice wall/phy def buff. It's pretty easy.

Jocka wrote:+1 Its really a matter of surviving those 2 minutes, then you can eat away at the Pure INT's hp in seconds.

Most ints i pvped with Snow wont last 2 mins. They ran out of MP.
Kd Stab Stab, Kd Stab Stab, Kd Stab Stab...
If they are stupid enough not to run, chain n smash...
Stun + Statusses + kd + stab + crit...
Really... i've never EVER lose to any int chn build since i hit lvl 100.
Hybrid blader here.

Hybrid Int FTW

both are good for fighting, but int players want to increase there inner force power (also called qi) instead of physical power. Both build can be good in fighting. But if you specialize in increasing your inner force you can use techniques like for example "snow shield" more efficently (which can reduce the received damage quite a lot).

btw str owns int trust me

ints ftw
btw the best build is that one with premium plus, devil spirit etc...

Karras wrote:

Jocka wrote:+1 Its really a matter of surviving those 2 minutes, then you can eat away at the Pure INT's hp in seconds.

Most ints i pvped with Snow wont last 2 mins. They ran out of MP.
Kd Stab Stab, Kd Stab Stab, Kd Stab Stab...
If they are stupid enough not to run, chain n smash...
Stun + Statusses + kd + stab + crit...
Really... i've never EVER lose to any int chn build since i hit lvl 100.
Hybrid blader here.

I don't think I ever ran out of mp, even against Sunners O_o I'm even hybrid so got less int rofl.

dominoes wrote:as a 91 glavier pvpving ints my lvl is laughable, most of the time i can just whip out my shield, sit down and wait for their snow to finish, then i rapeith them in the anus

Funny, I'm 92 pure int and pvping glaivers my level is laughable. All I do is stand there with snow and cast ice wall, kd, than ironwall if kd fails once my snow is gone. The 30 sec or whatever it takes to recharge snow flys right by and I can recast snow and walk around or go afk for another 2 mins to eat a cookie. My hp rarely goes below 50% without snow.

XMoshe wrote:I don't think I ever ran out of mp, even against Sunners O_o I'm even hybrid so got less int rofl.

Aren't u Str Hybrid Force Bow? o_O
Aren't we talking about Str vs Int?

Karras wrote:

XMoshe wrote:I don't think I ever ran out of mp, even against Sunners O_o I'm even hybrid so got less int rofl.

Aren't u Str Hybrid Force Bow? o_O
Aren't we talking about Str vs Int?

Pure str force bow And yes but I have also a hybrid int.

any body can kill anyone it depends on the set a glaive could tank an int or hybrid if he knows how to play and an int or hybrid can tank a glaive or bow without snow shield he just has to know the build and time everything perfectly