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Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:22 pm
by Bloody93
I think there is an imbalance between 1Hand and 2hand weapon.
For example:
Glavie, Spear, Bow, 2Hand-sword etc max blue is 6STR / 6INT at 10dgr.
Sword, Blade, 1Hand-sword etc max blue is 6STR / 6int at 10dgr. too BUT this classes can wear shields which have max 6STR / 6INT too.
Glavie, Spear, Bow etc classes can have max. 6STR / 6INT on weapons.
imbalanced
Sword&Shield, Blade & Shield etc can have max 12STR / 12INT on weapons.
Result:
Glavie, Spear, Bow etc classes should have 12 STR / 12 INT on their weapons and it´s balanced.
In other games this balance is given.
What do you think?!
/discuss
Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:24 pm
by CeLL
no its fine.
Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:24 pm
by heroo
2 hand weapons deal more damage.
Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:27 pm
by Bloody93
heroo wrote:2 hand weapons deal more damage.
With shield you have a higher defense..
Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:29 pm
by Starrie
heroo wrote:2 hand weapons deal more damage.
This, even thogh the shield already cancels this out.
Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:39 pm
by Azavel
Damage, defense, I think 1H/2H weapons are balance

Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:48 pm
by TheSlink
Bloody93 wrote:I think there is an imbalance between 1Hand and 2hand weapon.
For example:
Glavie, Spear, Bow, 2Hand-sword etc max blue is 6STR / 6INT at 10dgr.
Sword, Blade, 1Hand-sword etc max blue is 6STR / 6int at 10dgr. too BUT this classes can wear shields which have max 6STR / 6INT too.
Glavie, Spear, Bow etc classes can have max. 6STR / 6INT on weapons.
imbalanced
Sword&Shield, Blade & Shield etc can have max 12STR / 12INT on weapons.
Result:
Glavie, Spear, Bow etc classes should have 12 STR / 12 INT on their weapons and it´s balanced.
In other games this balance is given.
What do you think?!
/discuss
So?
Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:55 pm
by penfold1992
shields dont give u that much defence.
a weapon gives u less attack. thats it. glaviers are stronger. by build, the weapons increasingly WAY over power blades. they do more damage. they do more then 6STR worth more damage thats for sure!
think about it like this...
a glavie pure str 2 lvls below a nuker s/s can still kill a s/s nuker. its not like rediculously 1 sided either way...
and 2lvls also give better attack and defence and all sorts!
the fact u do less damage is not worth the 6 points is basically what im trying to say
Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:15 pm
by Jaapii
who cares about that minor difference

Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:23 pm
by .AWAKE.
lol your brain is on overtime buddy , its balanced between build skills and damage
Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:34 pm
by Bloody93
however, its not looking balanced but maybe if you pay attention to all factors its may balanced.
Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:37 pm
by Trace
Bloody93 wrote:however, its not looking balanced but maybe if you pay attention to all factors its may balanced.
If you compare basic attacks then maybe you have a point. If you compare actual skill initiated attacks, then the double handed weapons have damage increase corrected to make up for that loss in stat points. You would deal proportionately more damage for the amount of defense you lose by not using a shield, BUT most games are designed to give a slight advantage to a defending player (if it is a balanced game).
Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:49 pm
by curvekiller
Actually, if you think about the whole game, it's unbelievable how good everything is balanced (at least on the chinese side). I usually don't like JM too much because of bots and stuff, but *respect* to the people that developed this game. As I always say: Nice game, crappy company support.
Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:11 pm
by _MvP_
You have to much free time.
Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:11 pm
by Poochu
1 handers have slightly higher defence, however those who use 2h weapons hit significantly higher. (wizards, spear nukers, etc). The game is perfectly balanced.
Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:15 pm
by NuclearSilo
go out and get laid
Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:21 pm
by Razorhead
6 str/int "extra" seems much, but at lvl 100 it's really not much
20base
99x 1point from lvl up
(and as full str)99 x 3 str points
297+99+20= 416str
so:
482str
or
488str
and suddenly 6str seems insignificant
and att pwr on the weapons itself is different as is the att power & % of their skills
=> balanced
Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:49 pm
by septimus
NuclearSilo wrote:go out and get laid
funny u say that.....

Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:50 pm
by NuclearSilo
septimus wrote:NuclearSilo wrote:go out and get laid
funny u say that.....

and it's wrong to say that?
Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:57 pm
by septimus
NuclearSilo wrote:septimus wrote:NuclearSilo wrote:go out and get laid
funny u say that.....

and it's wrong to say that?
I failed at my sexual innuendo or u failed to get it. either way #FAIL
Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:06 pm
by NuclearSilo
don't avoid the question

Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:09 pm
by septimus
NuclearSilo wrote:don't avoid the question

nope

Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:16 pm
by Majorharper
penfold1992 wrote:shields dont give u that much defence.
a weapon gives u less attack. thats it. glaviers are stronger. by build, the weapons increasingly WAY over power blades. they do more damage. they do more then 6STR worth more damage thats for sure!
think about it like this...
a glavie pure str 2 lvls below a nuker s/s can still kill a s/s nuker. its not like rediculously 1 sided either way...
and 2lvls also give better attack and defence and all sorts!
the fact u do less damage is not worth the 6 points is basically what im trying to say
/agreed
I have a lv 91 glavier, his 10DG is +4 Full Blue (Head is +5) he has 10DG +5 FB rings, and a nice +7 FB glavie, with Premium Plus and Devil Spirit.
He needs a decent lv 94 nuker to have a good fight. Bowers are out of the question. I pvp'ed a lvl 95 bower, with +5 sos set and +5 sos bow, and he lost twice in a row... (he stopped after) so Glaviers dont need extra nor does any other because they are beast enough like that... If we gave them 6 more, they would be way too hard to kill! (good for glaviers bad for the rest)
Cheerios
Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:53 am
by penfold1992
lol dont go bragging ur chars awesome tho. blades can still tear u appart like a lil bitch. i wish i had one lol
Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:43 am
by Love
pretty stupid thing to post
Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:18 am
by link2113
yea
Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:33 am
by Karras
penfold1992 wrote:lol dont go bragging ur chars awesome tho. blades can still tear u appart like a lil bitch. i wish i had one lol
Blader can deal as much damage while retaining some defense from shield.
Bicheon Force is the s3x.
It doesn't increase your phy damage by 120. That description is wrong.
At lvl 90, it increases my phy damage by ~480.
I think it has something to do with the shield.
If thats true, imagine having a Sun shield.
Re: Imbalance between Weapons
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:22 am
by Barotix
One of the few MMOs I can say has balance between various classes.