An idea how to reduce some of the iSRO problems

[duhovnik]

I believe there is a solution for iSRO problems. When i see that the people i invite to play with me cannot get in and leave the idea to play silkroad, i try to think about the reasons and possible solutions.

It is not popular, but many other services that were abused by a fraction of users who exploited the services in extreme ways have moved to such harsh measures, stopped offering unlimited services and moved to limited services. I believe this is the only solution if we want a prosperous SRO service. ISRO cannot survive and prosper without such measures imho.

There are several ways how to do it. I believe that the most efficient way would be to allow free users to play lets say from one to three hours a day per account plus the rollover from last day, afer that would the client exit the game and could not log again till next day. The premium ticket user would be able to log in from five to eight or ten hours a day according to the premium ticket level.

Other way which takes in mind that people want to open their stalls to offer things is that the users would be able to stay logged in to pick up any things or gold, get points from grinding only at the times allowed as described above, in the way premium accounts work - afer the expiry you would not get exp/skillpoints. After that they would be able to open stall in their town and eventually to log off.

This would not offend any normal player, because i dont believe.

Since one party can have only eight people, it would make exping bots useless. It could not probably handle goldmining bots, but it would help.

My favourite measure would be not to ban bots, but instead of that, put a murderer status on them and weaken them in some way (like disabling weapons).

The hardest way how to remove botting would be to require some way of unique identification of each account, eg unique credit card number for each account, whereby only one char could be playable at the time, but that would put off many people that do not own credit cards.

I would like to hear your opionions and ideas on this.

[borat2]

You want to change the game? start with yourself and the way you reply to people in the game

[firefox6]

restricting gamers makes the move to new games.

if i wanted to play for 10 hours and sro tells me i can only play for 3 i would not play sro and go to a game that allows me to play when i want.

i think they should cut all item mall prices in half and charge a fee to play after lvl 20.. a fee of like $5 or $10 per month(witch can be pied by paypal.. also have gms online to just go around banning bots.

this is the only way i think sro will be great

[duhovnik]

restricting gamers makes the move to new games.

if i wanted to play for 10 hours and sro tells me i can only play for 3 i would not play sro and go to a game that allows me to play when i want.

i think they should cut all item mall prices in half and charge a fee to play after lvl 20.. a fee of like $5 or $10 per month(witch can be pied by paypal.. also have gms online to just go around banning bots.

this is the only way i think sro will be great

thanks for the feedback, that sounds really good.

[duhovnik]

You want to change the game? start with yourself and the way you reply to people in the game

that is the easiest way how to change things, to behave normally, ie play one char by yourself, be friendly and helpful and so on.

however many people are not like this and therefore i do believe that some reasonable restrictions must be set, because people abuse the service (i mean 10 bots per one player running 24/7 are a threat that can ruin the server)

if things are not changed, all those crazy botguys simply do not give chance to those kind gamers who want to play the game in a way you would like to be

[p48l0]

i like the timelimit. lets say fre users can play 3 hours a day top. i like that.

another thing that could be greate to DC botters is to implement a FLAG or DEMAND system:


lets say i see a user that looks like a bot.
I select him, ad flag them.
The user seleced get prompted with a image verification window like the one u see when u log in.
if the user dont complete it, it gets DC.
You can have thouse kinds of windows 1 every 15 minutes, so ppl cant abuse.

Problem solve

[_MvP_]

Very stupid idea.

[guymay]

china ip is banned from isro?

[duhovnik]

Very stupid idea.

Which one idea is stupid and why? Your feedback is very appreciated. Thanks

[Toshiharu]

You fix it starting with users. If the users don't wanna work together then Joymax's developers should come up with an auto detector.. considering game guard is a piece of shit.

However.. doing that = all servers die.

[lopasas]

it doesnt matter what did you think of
joymax doesnt even know these forums exist, they dont read these posts
so they wont do anything, they care about money, traffic makes them more money, maybye theyre not banning goldbots because gold companies are paying them money or something i dont know.
suggest something that it possible to do by the players, not only by the joymax
end of story.

[BuDo]

A POSSIBLE SOLUTION:

1) Remove gold drops.
If monsters stop dropping gold then there is no gold for gold bots to get

2)If no gold drops then where do players get gold?
From selling items they found to other players in stalls and most importantly from doing trade runs. Thieving/Hunting/Trading

3)There is not that much gold from trading. How are players suppose to make gold from just selling items?
Joymax increases the amount of gold made from trade runs to 20 times its current amount (even 40X). This will bring back the fun in the game with triangular conflicts.

4)Won't gold bots just bot for items if there is no gold drops?
Yes. But item drop from monsters are not as frequent as gold drops. So now gold bots have to stall their items and also because NPC will now only pay you a very small amount for items you sold to them.

5)Will removing gold drops and forcing gold bots (and everyone else) to stall their items remove gold botting from the game?
No. But it will reduce gold botting by a significant amount since the only way to make lots of gold is from stalling and triangular conflicts. This will free up server space.

6)But what if gold bot companies made a bot trader that goes from city to city all day?
Unlikely. If triangular conflict is where players gets lots of gold there will be lots of players thieving/hunting/trading... A trade bot will be targeted quite often because of its lack of human intelligence. It will also be targeted out of frustration and spite from most players. Some hunters will even allow thieves the chance to rob it.

[firefox6]

A POSSIBLE SOLUTION:

1) Remove gold drops.
If monsters stop dropping gold then there is no gold for gold bots to get

2)If no gold drops then where do players get gold?
From selling items they found to other players in stalls and most importantly from doing trade runs. Thieving/Hunting/Trading

3)There is not that much gold from trading. How are players suppose to make gold from just selling items?
Joymax increases the amount of gold made from trade runs to 20 times its current amount (even 40X). This will bring back the fun in the game with triangular conflicts.

4)Won't gold bots just bot for items if there is no gold drops?
Yes. But item drop from monsters are not as frequent as gold drops. So now gold bots have to stall their items and also because NPC will now only pay you a very small amount for items you sold to them.

5)Will removing gold drops and forcing gold bots (and everyone else) to stall their items remove gold botting from the game?
No. But it will reduce gold botting by a significant amount since the only way to make lots of gold is from stalling and triangular conflicts. This will free up server space.

6)But what if gold bot companies made a bot trader that goes from city to city all day?
Unlikely. If triangular conflict is where players gets lots of gold there will be lots of players thieving/hunting/trading... A trade bot will be targeted quite often because of its lack of human intelligence. It will also be targeted out of frustration and spite from most players. Some hunters will even allow thieves the chance to rob it.

GREAT IDEA.. i love it.. we should ask jm to do this.. or just have gold stop dropping after lvl 20 so people that are just starting can have some gold..

and it would be hard for gold bots as they would need to set up a new bot after lvl 20.. they will lvl so fast it would be pointless for them and they would need to stop..

[lopasas]

A POSSIBLE SOLUTION:

1) Remove gold drops.
If monsters stop dropping gold then there is no gold for gold bots to get

2)If no gold drops then where do players get gold?
From selling items they found to other players in stalls and most importantly from doing trade runs. Thieving/Hunting/Trading

3)There is not that much gold from trading. How are players suppose to make gold from just selling items?
Joymax increases the amount of gold made from trade runs to 20 times its current amount (even 40X). This will bring back the fun in the game with triangular conflicts.

4)Won't gold bots just bot for items if there is no gold drops?
Yes. But item drop from monsters are not as frequent as gold drops. So now gold bots have to stall their items and also because NPC will now only pay you a very small amount for items you sold to them.

5)Will removing gold drops and forcing gold bots (and everyone else) to stall their items remove gold botting from the game?
No. But it will reduce gold botting by a significant amount since the only way to make lots of gold is from stalling and triangular conflicts. This will free up server space.

6)But what if gold bot companies made a bot trader that goes from city to city all day?
Unlikely. If triangular conflict is where players gets lots of gold there will be lots of players thieving/hunting/trading... A trade bot will be targeted quite often because of its lack of human intelligence. It will also be targeted out of frustration and spite from most players. Some hunters will even allow thieves the chance to rob it.

20x
fire ox, im 77, i get
1* 200k
5* 1.3kk
1.3*20=26kk of goods
cons> samar is 308%, i would get 52kk profit each 40~ minutes, each 25~minutes with a silk mount
im not even talking about 40x, thats like 104kk profit, gold would be worthless
tho i really like the trading idea, and no gold drops.
i would agree on 2x or 4x max...

[duhovnik]

it doesnt matter what did you think of
joymax doesnt even know these forums exist, they dont read these posts
so they wont do anything, they care about money, traffic makes them more money, maybye theyre not banning goldbots because gold companies are paying them money or something i dont know.
suggest something that it possible to do by the players, not only by the joymax
end of story.

quite probably they dont know

i want to write them an email to support and give them the link to this thread and I will request an answer or at least suggest them to read these ideas. they may not answer but i cant do more at the moment

[_MvP_]

[/quote]

Very stupid idea.

Which one idea is stupid and why? Your feedback is very appreciated. Thanks

This.

I believe that the most efficient way would be to allow free users to play lets say from one to three hours a day.

[REBD]

Very stupid idea.

Which one idea is stupid and why? Your feedback is very appreciated. Thanks

This.

I believe that the most efficient way would be to allow free users to play lets say from one to three hours a day.

Very true, this is a stupid idea. And if you dont understand why, then there is nothing we can do about you.

[firefox6]

it doesnt matter what did you think of
joymax doesnt even know these forums exist, they dont read these posts
so they wont do anything, they care about money, traffic makes them more money, maybye theyre not banning goldbots because gold companies are paying them money or something i dont know.
suggest something that it possible to do by the players, not only by the joymax
end of story.

quite probably they dont know

i want to write them an email to support and give them the link to this thread and I will request an answer or at least suggest them to read these ideas. they may not answer but i cant do more at the moment

they already know we have had gms as members here before and this is one of the most well known sites for sro.
i know they did at one time look at the forums but i don't think so anymore..

[duhovnik]

Very stupid idea.

Which one idea is stupid and why? Your feedback is very appreciated. Thanks

This.

I believe that the most efficient way would be to allow free users to play lets say from one to three hours a day.

[/quote]

I know why it is corrupting for people running ten bots at once, but dont know why would it be bad for someone who plays one char and lives a reasonable life. Please explain

[PR0METHEUS]

A POSSIBLE SOLUTION:

1) Remove gold drops.
If monsters stop dropping gold then there is no gold for gold bots to get

2)If no gold drops then where do players get gold?
From selling items they found to other players in stalls and most importantly from doing trade runs. Thieving/Hunting/Trading

3)There is not that much gold from trading. How are players suppose to make gold from just selling items?
Joymax increases the amount of gold made from trade runs to 20 times its current amount (even 40X). This will bring back the fun in the game with triangular conflicts.

4)Won't gold bots just bot for items if there is no gold drops?
Yes. But item drop from monsters are not as frequent as gold drops. So now gold bots have to stall their items and also because NPC will now only pay you a very small amount for items you sold to them.

5)Will removing gold drops and forcing gold bots (and everyone else) to stall their items remove gold botting from the game?
No. But it will reduce gold botting by a significant amount since the only way to make lots of gold is from stalling and triangular conflicts. This will free up server space.

6)But what if gold bot companies made a bot trader that goes from city to city all day?
Unlikely. If triangular conflict is where players gets lots of gold there will be lots of players thieving/hunting/trading... A trade bot will be targeted quite often because of its lack of human intelligence. It will also be targeted out of frustration and spite from most players. Some hunters will even allow thieves the chance to rob it.

I actually like this idea. It'll stimulate the triangular conflict system, get more people to participate in it too.

[REBD]

Limiting the time you spend playing changes nothing for the worst part of the game : the goldbots.
Why ? very simple, you can have one bot running 3h right ? Instead of one running 24h. Then what do you do ? you just run 8 bots for 3h making your 24h.
Less money for goldselling companies? Yeah maybe.
A problem for goldselling companies ? Not really.

[duhovnik]

Limiting the time you spend playing changes nothing for the worst part of the game : the goldbots.
Why ? very simple, you can have one bot running 3h right ? Instead of one running 24h. Then what do you do ? you just run 8 bots for 3h making your 24h.
Less money for goldselling companies? Yeah maybe.
A problem for goldselling companies ? Not really.

I was thinking whether these wont make them quadruple the amount of the bots and clog the system anyway. But for the normal botters, it would be a challenge. Imagine that, running 10 clients and changing chars in them every three hours, that would be a major drawback for most of the botters. They would probably get used to it that they can level only 3 hours a day and we would get more free slots for new people. Except of course, if there would be some workaround done.

[REBD]

This will limit regular botters, that is sure. The thing is that lots of them buy silk and premium

[LaloHao]

No it won't do nothing to botters, because you said if they buy premium then they can play 10 hours a day so it's practically the same -.-

[JoyFax]

The hardest way how to remove botting would be to require some way of unique identification of each account, eg unique credit card number for each account, whereby only one char could be playable at the time, but that would put off many people that do not own credit cards.

I would like to hear your opionions and ideas on this.

ksro had that, and they are now VERY active and not dead at all =D
/sarcasm

[Sovereign]

FFS. Why do people always bring up this bullshit on the forums.
You can daydream as much as you want, your not gonna change anything.
I've been around since Silkroad BETA and i can tell you that Joymax are not gonna change because thats what you want etc.
But if daydreaming about what would be better keeps you from comminiting suicide or whatever then keep going...

[Shadowfox542]

A POSSIBLE SOLUTION:

1) Remove gold drops.
If monsters stop dropping gold then there is no gold for gold bots to get

2)If no gold drops then where do players get gold?
From selling items they found to other players in stalls and most importantly from doing trade runs. Thieving/Hunting/Trading

3)There is not that much gold from trading. How are players suppose to make gold from just selling items?
Joymax increases the amount of gold made from trade runs to 20 times its current amount (even 40X). This will bring back the fun in the game with triangular conflicts.

4)Won't gold bots just bot for items if there is no gold drops?
Yes. But item drop from monsters are not as frequent as gold drops. So now gold bots have to stall their items and also because NPC will now only pay you a very small amount for items you sold to them.

5)Will removing gold drops and forcing gold bots (and everyone else) to stall their items remove gold botting from the game?
No. But it will reduce gold botting by a significant amount since the only way to make lots of gold is from stalling and triangular conflicts. This will free up server space.

6)But what if gold bot companies made a bot trader that goes from city to city all day?
Unlikely. If triangular conflict is where players gets lots of gold there will be lots of players thieving/hunting/trading... A trade bot will be targeted quite often because of its lack of human intelligence. It will also be targeted out of frustration and spite from most players. Some hunters will even allow thieves the chance to rob it.

20x
fire ox, im 77, i get
1* 200k
5* 1.3kk
1.3*20=26kk of goods
cons> samar is 308%, i would get 52kk profit each 40~ minutes, each 25~minutes with a silk mount
im not even talking about 40x, thats like 104kk profit, gold would be worthless
tho i really like the trading idea, and no gold drops.
i would agree on 2x or 4x max...

You just gave me a nice idea. Gold being worthless=good. If it was 40x...(assuming the no gold drop thing is implemented) Well gold bots aren't doing anything now. The economy would slowly return to normal....However, if it was something like 40x, that person that had billions from the gold buying days is screwed. They would have to raise the exchange thing for sure though.

But, gold botting 1*s would be super common I think. Like, lv40 light bladers or something.

Gimping NPC is totally lame though. You find a lv85 weapon with like 22% attack rating, 22% magical attack and the rest are 0s....No one is going to buy it. Especially if everyone else is stalling equally shitty gear. Maybe have it be that the NPC reduces what it will pay when you sell x amount of drops a day. They would have to change this based on level, but it could work. Legits don't get 40 mujgi drops a day.

FFS. Why do people always bring up this bullshit on the forums.
You can daydream as much as you want, your not gonna change anything.
I've been around since Silkroad BETA and i can tell you that Joymax are not gonna change because thats what you want etc.
But if daydreaming about what would be better keeps you from comminiting suicide or whatever then keep going...

FFS. Why do people always troll (especially what you called "bullshit") on the forums. You can troll as much as you want, your not gonna change anything. I've been around since Olympus opened and I can tell you that Joymax rarely changes things. But if trolling dreamers is what keeps you from committing suicide or whatever then keep going...

[majincooler]

A POSSIBLE SOLUTION:

1) Remove gold drops.
If monsters stop dropping gold then there is no gold for gold bots to get

2)If no gold drops then where do players get gold?
From selling items they found to other players in stalls and most importantly from doing trade runs. Thieving/Hunting/Trading

3)There is not that much gold from trading. How are players suppose to make gold from just selling items?
Joymax increases the amount of gold made from trade runs to 20 times its current amount (even 40X). This will bring back the fun in the game with triangular conflicts.

4)Won't gold bots just bot for items if there is no gold drops?
Yes. But item drop from monsters are not as frequent as gold drops. So now gold bots have to stall their items and also because NPC will now only pay you a very small amount for items you sold to them.

5)Will removing gold drops and forcing gold bots (and everyone else) to stall their items remove gold botting from the game?
No. But it will reduce gold botting by a significant amount since the only way to make lots of gold is from stalling and triangular conflicts. This will free up server space.

6)But what if gold bot companies made a bot trader that goes from city to city all day?
Unlikely. If triangular conflict is where players gets lots of gold there will be lots of players thieving/hunting/trading... A trade bot will be targeted quite often because of its lack of human intelligence. It will also be targeted out of frustration and spite from most players. Some hunters will even allow thieves the chance to rob it.

Awesome idea, sadly it will never be implemented.

[HawaiianMix]

Restricting a players time? Sounds like Csro's Anti-addiction system.

[RUMS]

I pity the low lvls who just started the game if they implement the no gold rule although it would be pretty good for higher levels.

And a lower level trader without a good guild will probably never make it to the next town if the triangular trade really become very popular with a 2* and they'll stay poor lol.