Proof chinese characters are meant to go hybrid.

[Ricooo]

I've been doing some research lately.... Some of the "older" (well not older, but people who were here for more than 2 months) might remember Nitro's topic about how imbue is effecting pure str's damage.. We realized it hardly does any diffrence. A maxed first book of fire did just 700 damage less than a maxed last book. Some people may say "it is worth that 50k sp", but not all of us can use skill tickets+prem.
Ok, I'm slightly going off topic here.
Magical damage is known to be stronger using imbues, hence the fact hybrid's do "the most overall damage" comparing to str based characters - the imbue does MUCH more diffrence when you're a hybrid.
People may say "Well, bow's are supposed to be pure str, they rely on crits".
WRONG!! Bow's DO rely on crit, but who said hybrid's cannot crit? And who said the balance has to be 70:70 or something like that?
Hybrid's do crit, just less likely than pure str bow.
Now, let's compare:
A lvl 1 blade will have more phy. attack power than a lvl 1 sword, but a lvl 1 sword will have MUCH higher mag. attack power than a blade.
Does that mean blade users HAS to go pure str?
NO! Chinese weapons has both mag. attack power and phy. attack power, meaning they rely on BOTH of these stats.
Only thing that changes is that bladers will have to go str hybrid and s\s will have to go int hybrid.
People will also say I'm wrong because bladers are mostly tankers, hence they need more str for more phy. def power, more phy. damage and more HP.
WRONG!!!!!!!! Any blade character that does NOT have snow shield is a shitty tanker, because at this cap that skill is a life savor. A blade will need more int so his mana pool won't get drained in 5 hits, and also if he wants to do more damage.
Same goes for all of the chinese weapons...
Euro's are meant to be pure, no doubt about that. Some builds may go hybrid, but 99% of the time these builds will fail.
This is a long post, but I'd like it if you could just READ it before flaming or saying "too long" or something.

[Gronic]

some1 posted somenthing like this,think it was
barotix.

[Ricooo]

He did? Shit, I thought I was onto something XD Haha, oh well.. I did my best.

[Lempi]

Probably the longest thread i have read in a while, but i totally agree. Though nobody will listen because they have been told so many times that pure str or pure int is best, and would just rather follow the crowd than have some originality.

This coming from somebody with a str hybrid Bowman and pure int wizard.

[XMoshe]

Spoiler!

I've been doing some research lately.... Some of the "older" (well not older, but people who were here for more than 2 months) might remember Nitro's topic about how imbue is effecting pure str's damage.. We realized it hardly does any diffrence. A maxed first book of fire did just 700 damage less than a maxed last book. Some people may say "it is worth that 50k sp", but not all of us can use skill tickets+prem.
Ok, I'm slightly going off topic here.
Magical damage is known to be stronger using imbues, hence the fact hybrid's do "the most overall damage" comparing to str based characters - the imbue does MUCH more diffrence when you're a hybrid.
People may say "Well, bow's are supposed to be pure str, they rely on crits".
WRONG!! Bow's DO rely on crit, but who said hybrid's cannot crit? And who said the balance has to be 70:70 or something like that?
Hybrid's do crit, just less likely than pure str bow.
Now, let's compare:
A lvl 1 blade will have more phy. attack power than a lvl 1 sword, but a lvl 1 sword will have MUCH higher mag. attack power than a blade.
Does that mean blade users HAS to go pure str?
NO! Chinese weapons has both mag. attack power and phy. attack power, meaning they rely on BOTH of these stats.
Only thing that changes is that bladers will have to go str hybrid and s\s will have to go int hybrid.
People will also say I'm wrong because bladers are mostly tankers, hence they need more str for more phy. def power, more phy. damage and more HP.
WRONG!!!!!!!! Any blade character that does NOT have snow shield is a shitty tanker, because at this cap that skill is a life savor. A blade will need more int so his mana pool won't get drained in 5 hits, and also if he wants to do more damage.
Same goes for all of the chinese weapons...
Euro's are meant to be pure, no doubt about that. Some builds may go hybrid, but 99% of the time these builds will fail.
This is a long post, but I'd like it if you could just READ it before flaming or saying "too long" or something.

Wut at bolded? Hybrid crit just as often as pure's, the crit is just lower.

And in my opinion, high crits/more hp > higher overall damage/less hp

[Barotix]

I posted something like this, but at the time I was just "thinking." Nitro actually posted a well written thesis on why they're meant to go Hybrid.

[Ricooo]

Nitro was "asking" whether they should go hybrid.. He was posting about the imbue issue.

[Crowley]

IMO you're totally right. I've raised a few hybrid characters lately and they've all been very successful. Also a hybrid can tank. This comment is based on personal experience, with around 85% - 90% naked you'll make a great tanker, with or without shield

[Ricooo]

Ofcourse a hybrid can tank, especially with snow shield. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying a str hybrid should go like 2:1 or something.. More like 5:1 IMO =)

[Mousetrap]

I made a 1:5 hybrid INT spear and I must say it was ultraphail.. I didn't like it at all, 90 heuk / fire, 60 light / ice. I thought with the extra STR I would be able to survive.. but even in snowshield I would always get owned. probably should've with 1:7 with fire 30...
About STRs, hybrid glavie and bow are decent imo, but blade is pretty fail. They can use snowshield as pure STR without it draining all their MP, 20~30% is fine.

[Ricooo]

As I've said before, I don't think you should go mad with 1:5 or 5:1 or anything. Even 8:1, as much as it might sound crappy, is very helpful. Combine that with a suit if you have 1, and all the blues on your items and you got a kickass build.
Also, blades are MOSTLY tanks, right? Nobody expects blades to be unique killers or anything... I think blades need to go 8:1 or something.

[iGod]

Hybrids are always stronger than their pure counterparts(talking about chinese chars obviously), but other builds might be trickier.. really depends on a lot of things

And more damage is always worth the skill points.

Also, what level are you talking about?

[Ricooo]

I don't get your question... Anyways, as I was saying..... It has also been proven that lvl 90 nukers which has 400 more hp than a fully pure int lvl 90, did the exact same and even MORE damage and survived more. You ALWAYS need to go hybrid, even a little bit.

[iGod]

I'd like to see that proof.. ;o

[Ricooo]

It was posted somewhere, I forgot where. What I was trying to say, that these few points that you invest on str\int can make you stronger Think about it.

[iGod]

Stronger against what though? and in what kind of gear

[Ricooo]

Let's say that... Take a full int lvl 90 with full npc gear against a lvl 90 nuker with a few more str points, and the int with thr str points will most likely win. he does 00.01% less damage than the full int, and he will probably end up with 40-100 hp left.

[BaronSengir]

LOOOOOL

hybrid builds are fail unless your spear or bower

[butcha]

LOOOOOL

hybrid builds are fail unless your spear or bower

WRONG!
s/s hybrid pwns also.
Well I dunno about the str builds(glavie, blade), but you got some kind of point in your story.

[egyptology2]

Let's say that... Take a full int lvl 90 with full npc gear against a lvl 90 nuker with a few more str points, and the int with thr str points will most likely win. he does 00.01% less damage than the full int, and he will probably end up with 40-100 hp left.

umm....hybrids are only stronger if you're using actual...weapon skills (to my knowledge). There's no advantage in nuking (pure mag) and being hybrid. My first attack with my pure int s/s is a nuke then KD....only the KD would be affected.

And, about the imbue...I don't know who's post you're referring to, but I just use the max lvl 1 book of lightning and hit 10.5K (average for 15 attacks) and used the lvl 6 book 4 light imbue and hit 13K (15 attack average)...That extra 2.5K...seems like a lot of damage...

[BaronSengir]

LOOOOOL

hybrid builds are fail unless your spear or bower

WRONG!
s/s hybrid pwns also.
Well I dunno about the str builds(glavie, blade), but you got some kind of point in your story.

s/s hybrid is fail never lost to one never will they just dont have enough damage going hybrid

[/Pi]

Weapons both have magical and physical attack.
Skill trees that complement magical and physical attack.
Multitude of self buffs.

They are meant to be hybrid. But, at these level not every Chinese build is better as hybrid. We probably have to wait at higher level caps. At 110+ players will be forced to max two trees. Some may take pure force, others would dual wield, but most will take one force and one weapon. At that point, hybrids will definitely dominate.

But then, that's a long way to go.

[BaronSengir]

110/110/80 for chinese i dont see how hybrids would dominate?
str can go 110 wpn 110 fire 60 light 20 ice
int is a bit tricky perhaps 110 wpn 110 light 80 ice

[Ragnorak]

there are 3 possible builds

pure int
pure str
Hybrid>>> can be more "customizable"

hybrid str= making warrior/rogue job easier at raping them.

[NuclearSilo]

It's still valid if you mention that it's for low cap. At higher cap, you can only choose or physical buff or magical buff. And also remember that a pure str gains more dmg for the physical buff than a hybrid str. In normal attack, the hybrid would deal more, but after buffing, they'd probably deal the same dmg.

SRO is all about gear than build

[BaronSengir]

It's still valid if you mention that it's for low cap. At higher cap, you can only choose or physical buff or magical buff. And also remember that a pure str gains more dmg for the physical buff than a hybrid str. In normal attack, the hybrid would deal more, but after buffing, they'd probably deal the same dmg.

SRO is all about gear than build

+1
was just about to say that at higher cap you can only choose 1 buff hence making hybrids weaker

[Axie]

hybrids are way trickier to build than pures... and hybrids need to have the best gear possible for them be successful cause they depend to much one the balances and the few lost str or int have an impact also it is trickier with what skill trees to get and it gets harder with cap going up since u cant get all trees so u have to cut down on something and adjust ur balances accordingly. But yes in most cases sro is gear gear and gear the one who the best one wins...(saying that they both know how to pvp >.>)

[Verfo]

I didn't read the first post but:
just look at wep stats, and you should have enough evidence that you should be hybrid.Or the fact that you choose a force and a physical mastery.

[Amarisa]

idk iv played a heavy hybrid int char it did nice dmg with probaly the worst spear. about 2k dmg per hit and its +3 with like almost no %s(lvl 67) and a 7 gap.

[Strwarrior]

Hybrid > Pure

i believed from the start that all Chinese should go hybrid.