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Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:40 am
by aznronin
For Silkroad players, do you guys normally use a luck stone for going from +4 to +5?
Or do you guys go for +5 without luck stone? In the case of Weapon.
This is besides the amount of elixirs you have, I just asking do you guys just go for +5 without luck stone.

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:42 am
by Swindler
I go without

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:01 am
by BaronSengir
using luck stone from +4 ==> +5 is a waste of 9-10m use it to go +6 or +7

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:04 am
by Insanity
no need for luck stone for + 5
i just + 5'd:
87 earrings
85 blade
85 shield

all without the use of luck stones.

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:08 am
by iSinnnn
Do not use.

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:09 am
by aznronin
So I can confirm* people in general do not need luck stone from +4 to +5?

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:21 am
by SoundBurst
yup, they do not use them from +4->+5 but they DO use them from +5->+6 and anything higher

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:48 am
by RedBlueGreen
SoundBurst wrote:yup, they do not use them from +4->+5 but they DO use them from +5->+6 and anything higher

u dont NEED them for +6 or higher.. iv made like 3 +7s (no lucky stones) 1 +8(no lucky stones)....and even a +10 on a level 27 head.. no luck stones.. for me.. luck stones=bad luck

EDIT:.. i never use prem/premplus..

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:52 am
by MooMooMoo
+4 to +5 with a luck stone, I think its a waste but thats my opinion.

Image

all those were made with no luck stone and no prem.

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 4:00 am
by aznronin
omg that is nice.......

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 4:48 am
by EvGa
Never use luck stones. Have made 5 85+7 weapons.

I have also destroyed many many weapons.

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:13 pm
by sheeplol6
i failed 4>5 6 times on my spear, 4 times had lucky. i guess they give you the more secure feeling when hitting fuse though :P

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:39 pm
by _Dutchy_
Well myself i made 1 +10 and 2+9's without any luck stones so i don't ever use them not even above +7 i Personaly don't believe in em at all

but on the other hand my GM uses Luck stones above +4 everytime ... and he makes +7's like hes some godamnn +7 factory lol

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:01 pm
by willieb3
how do you guys make it so easy to get +5 ive used 160 elexirs on a shield and no +5 and 75 elexirs on a sword and no +5 :banghead: :banghead:

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 4:09 pm
by _Dutchy_
willieb3 wrote:how do you guys make it so easy to get +5 ive used 160 elexirs on a shield and no +5 and 75 elexirs on a sword and no +5 :banghead: :banghead:


well the trick is to know when not to do alchamy and when to do alchamy ... i have my little beliefs most of em are prolly BS xD but some of em have to be right cuz i make such high + items

but for +5 i would say if it fails on +3 or lower more then 2-3 times Stop doing alchamy then its simply not the time for it when you get it to +3 everytime easy then keep pushing and it will go +5

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 5:17 pm
by EvGa
I agree with dutchy. At first my theory was that some weapons have their own "luck", but now I think its also about timing. Sometimes you'll have an item fail +2 and 3 over and over, try again the next day and have it go straight to 4 2-3 times then +5. So I believe it has to do with the item and timing.

But then the same time that item is failing over and over, I can switch to something different and have it go to +5. So maybe every item has a certain time of day when its "luck" increases.

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 5:45 pm
by aznronin
Yea I also agree because maybe it's just not your day, sometimes when you feel like doing alchemy you should just go for it, however I have yet to get to +5 without a luck stone, I am doing this type of alchemy right now at lvl 59, as a nuker , so It's hard to get a luck stone, so I have to go without it.

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 6:24 pm
by _Dutchy_
EvGa wrote:I agree with dutchy. At first my theory was that some weapons have their own "luck", but now I think its also about timing. Sometimes you'll have an item fail +2 and 3 over and over, try again the next day and have it go straight to 4 2-3 times then +5. So I believe it has to do with the item and timing.

But then the same time that item is failing over and over, I can switch to something different and have it go to +5. So maybe every item has a certain time of day when its "luck" increases.


Could be time of day however i just made my GM's Ring +7 First try straight from 0 to +7 and he kept failing it on +2 the whole time just minuts b4 idk Alchamy is a STRANGE thing :banghead:

but yes i really do believe time has allot to do with it =]

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 6:33 pm
by MooMooMoo
Adding on
Image
Just 1 Click away

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 7:01 pm
by _Dutchy_
yea or 1 click away from going to +0 again xD

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 7:08 pm
by EvGa
This 88 headpiece failed +2 4 times in a row, then did the following:

(Did this few minutes ago)

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 7:53 pm
by _Dutchy_
EvGa wrote:This 88 headpiece failed +2 4 times in a row, then did the following:

(Did this few minutes ago)




well i gues were just gonna have to face the fact that alcmahy is TOTALY random i gues?

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:18 pm
by MooMooMoo
_Dutchy_ wrote:
EvGa wrote:This 88 headpiece failed +2 4 times in a row, then did the following:

(Did this few minutes ago)




well i gues were just gonna have to face the fact that alcmahy is TOTALY random i guess?

dam right :love:

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:46 pm
by _Dutchy_
MooMooMoo wrote:
_Dutchy_ wrote:
EvGa wrote:This 88 headpiece failed +2 4 times in a row, then did the following:

(Did this few minutes ago)




well i gues were just gonna have to face the fact that alcmahy is TOTALY random i guess?

dam right :love:




xD well i know its random but i'l still do my stupid little ritual's :love: b4 alchamy everytime

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:50 pm
by EvGa
Haha, same for me. Except when I get pissed and just repeatedly hit fuse. :P

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:15 pm
by Ragnorak
EvGa wrote:This 88 headpiece failed +2 4 times in a row, then did the following:

(Did this few minutes ago)


hit fuse once more, +7 ftw

I use lucky stones when going for +7....I make my own stones...paying 7-9mil for a stone is no something I like to do

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:39 pm
by iSinnnn
Damn, your guys' lucky stones are cheap. Cheapest I've seen in months on Hera is 14.5m.

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:42 pm
by aznronin
So people in general would not use a luck stone from going from +4 to +5 because buying the luck stone wouldn't be worth it?
I think that would be the correct reason?

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:56 pm
by .curve
Nah, using luck stone from +4 - +5 is sort of a waste since +5 is pretty easy to make. I use luck stones only from +5 - +6 and +6 - +7, and then Immortal/Steady from +7 - +8 and up.

Re: Alchemy question of Opinion*

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:19 pm
by MooMooMoo
_Dutchy_ wrote:xD well i know its random but i'l still do my stupid little ritual's :love: b4 alchamy everytime

Yeah you do your thing and I'll do my thing, lets leave it at that :)

@azn, good luck