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Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:27 pm
by Qosta420
As a blader I think it is a completly unfair for somone to be able to pull out a shield while knocked down. Its realy unfair to the bicheon class. I dont have problem with dual weaponing or anything else for that matter I just personaly think its unfair. I mean what can a blader / swordsman do to compensate when he gets Knocked back or Stunned to even out this imballance? nothing. yeah so its unfair. If your a true legit player you wont use this unfair tactic.
Opinions?
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:33 pm
by Sinner
Qosta420 wrote:As a blader I think it is a completly unfair for somone to be able to pull out a shield while knocked down. Its realy unfair to the bicheon class. I dont have problem with dual weaponing or anything else for that matter I just personaly think its unfair. I mean what can a blader / swordsman do to compensate when he gets Knocked back or Stunned to even out this imballance? nothing. yeah so its unfair. If your a true legit player you wont use this unfair tactic.
Opinions?
Uhm... Since when it is unfair? This is the first time I`ve heard pulling out a shield when your knocked down is unfair.. Whats unfair with that? I used it since 80 cap, and I didnt hear a word about it being unfair.. >.>
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:34 pm
by SoAyame
It's called tatics man its fair
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:37 pm
by asusi
there is something worst
xbow can knock you down and still shoot you
how fair is that ??
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:37 pm
by Zero_Doom
I don't really see it as unfair. As a blader, you have a shield, and can block. So isn't it unfair to other bladers that you don't put it away when you get knocked down? o.O
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:38 pm
by Qosta420
of course its a tactic. but it pretty much weakens KD to the point where it cant even compare to the comprable skills of stun and kb that other builds have. so it devaluates any build that consistantly uses a shield.
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:39 pm
by Qosta420
Zero_Doom wrote:I don't really see it as unfair. As a blader, you have a shield, and can block. So isn't it unfair to other bladers that you don't put it away when you get knocked down? o.O
no because they use a shield consistantly as part of thier build. no reason they would have to put away gear that your previously using.
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:40 pm
by Blyth
Fair play.
What's next? Fighting without potions?
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:42 pm
by Qosta420
Blyth wrote:Fair play.
What's next? Fighting without potions?
no because potions are avalible to everyone. using potions does not devaluate the power of another build.
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:44 pm
by Messiah
Qosta420 wrote:As a blader I think it is a completly unfair for somone to be able to pull out a shield while knocked down. Its realy unfair to the bicheon class. I dont have problem with dual weaponing or anything else for that matter I just personaly think its unfair. I mean what can a blader / swordsman do to compensate when he gets Knocked back or Stunned to even out this imballance? nothing. yeah so its unfair. If your a true legit player you wont use this unfair tactic.
Opinions?
hmm.. i don't think its unfair at all due to the fact that Euro's are OP as hell with their crits and such. So with that being said, pulling is shield is called survivability.. Having a shield while you are down keeps you alive maybe for that extra little bit to help you win that pvp or whatnot.
Edit:
Qosta420 wrote:Blyth wrote:Fair play.
What's next? Fighting without potions?
no because potions are avalible to everyone. using potions does not devaluate the power of another build.
ZOMFG no vigors now because he cant kill you with his blader, poor guy.
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:45 pm
by atallwhiteguy
Qosta420 wrote:Blyth wrote:Fair play.
What's next? Fighting without potions?
no because potions are avalible to everyone.
Shields are to.
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:49 pm
by Zero_Doom
Qosta420 wrote:Zero_Doom wrote:I don't really see it as unfair. As a blader, you have a shield, and can block. So isn't it unfair to other bladers that you don't put it away when you get knocked down? o.O
no because they use a shield consistantly as part of thier build. no reason they would have to put away gear that your previously using.
Why shouldn't you be able to use all the gear that is available to you? Another question, would you find it unfair for a 2h warrior to pull out a shield during a fight? o.O I mean, the shield is a consistent part of their build, right?
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:50 pm
by Interpol
Qosta420 wrote:of course its a tactic. but it pretty much weakens KD to the point where it cant even compare to the comprable skills of stun and kb that other builds have. so it devaluates any build that consistantly uses a shield.
Knockdown from a blader has a higher success rate compared to a stun execution from a glaivier. While you are upset a knockdowned character is blocking some of your stabs (shield switch), you are actively blocking all of their attacks with your ever equipped shield. Just for kicks, as a blader you could try pvping without a shield.
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:03 pm
by JoyFax
All I have to say is:
If the game allows it, it's NOT unfair.
If that was unfair then snow shield would be unfair because you cant remove it from other people, having holy word would be unfair because a warlock wouldn't like that and so on.
What I think that should be fixed (and I heard it will be fixed) is casting fire shield (the thing that makes you imune) and the buf stays on after the shield is removed but still... if the game allows it and everyone can use it I supose it's fair.
I think being unfair is when only some (not some builds, i mean some people) can do certain things, by that I mean abusing bugs of the game.
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:22 pm
by _Scarlett_
Blyth wrote:Fair play.
What's next? Fighting without potions?
Omg lol. I remember when I started on Oasis there were no pot pvp lol. Ahh, the good ole days.
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:26 pm
by NuclearSilo
In real life, you can use your shield to block the attack when you fall. So there is no reason you can't. Blader has bleed+impotent+divion+fear+dull+... it's very fair
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:33 pm
by Ichimaru420
NuclearSilo wrote:In real life, you can use your shield to block the attack when you fall. So there is no reason you can't. Blader has bleed+impotent+divion+fear+dull+... it's very fair
quite true about the status part
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:48 pm
by 4reaLz
your seriously crying about this?
its a fair tactic to whip out a shield when knocked down, i do it all the time. just like using a shield when a warriors about to hit u with his strongest atack or right after you use mars
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:54 pm
by ahmedsabry
Qosta420 wrote:As a blader I think it is a completly unfair for somone to be able to pull out a shield while knocked down. Its realy unfair to the bicheon class. I dont have problem with dual weaponing or anything else for that matter I just personaly think its unfair. I mean what can a blader / swordsman do to compensate when he gets Knocked back or Stunned to even out this imballance? nothing. yeah so its unfair. If your a true legit player you wont use this unfair tactic.
Opinions?
1-u have Blocking Rate increasing passives.. in other words, "ur shield is better than thiers"
2-some buffs are lost in some classes when u switch to shield (eg:warrior's warcry)
3-u have shields on all the time while they cant.
4-dont complain about thier stuns.. they dont have kds like u.
5-i actually loled at the "if u are legit" part..
swordsmen are actually one of the best builds in the game due to thier ability to hold a shield while doing massive damage.. NO OTHER class can do this if u think about it. even warlocks who do damage close to s/s nukers holding a shield rely on DOTs maily not nukes and are far more fragile than u are..
nothing is unfair about the bitcheon class if u ask me..
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:55 pm
by JustaDude
It's fair cause not everyone does it, only smart people. and those who know how to use their char.. Seriously if you're crying about this GTFO.
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:17 pm
by Ragnorak
Build Glavier: When can it use shield?
a)blader used KD
b)Warrior used KD
c)Rogue used KD
D)Warrior uses Dare Devil when bless/skins on(my favorite)
F)anytime you feel like it
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:32 pm
by Zero_Doom
ahmedsabry wrote:swordsmen are actually one of the best builds in the game due to thier ability to hold a shield while doing massive damage.. NO OTHER class can do this if u think about it. even warlocks who do damage close to s/s nukers holding a shield rely on DOTs maily not nukes and are far more fragile than u are..
nothing is unfair about the bitcheon class if u ask me..
Um... Bladers are neat, I have one on Troy. I know for a fact though, that they are weak compared to a Warlock who knows what he is doing. xP In fact, any str class is weak against a Warlock that knows what he is doing.
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:42 pm
by OTG
NuclearSilo wrote:In real life, you can use your shield to block the attack when you fall. So there is no reason you can't. Blader has bleed+impotent+divion+fear+dull+... it's very fair
Someone needs a life and should stop comparing real life situations with in game ones.
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:53 pm
by Blurred
NuclearSilo wrote:In real life, you can use your shield to block the attack when you fall. So there is no reason you can't. Blader has bleed+impotent+divion+fear+dull+... it's very fair
In real life their is no PURE INT nukers with a +10 sun sword. In real life their is no wizards that can teleport or go invisible.
THIS IS SILKROAD not real life. >.>
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:55 pm
by OTG
The way they should do it is simple. If you are chinese and do not have at least 1 level mastery within the bicheon line, you shouldn't be able to switch to a shield.
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:33 pm
by NuclearSilo
OTG wrote:NuclearSilo wrote:In real life, you can use your shield to block the attack when you fall. So there is no reason you can't. Blader has bleed+impotent+divion+fear+dull+... it's very fair
Someone needs a life and should stop comparing real life situations with in game ones.
Yeah, of course, you got a life, I have no life!
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:35 pm
by Phaidra
If it wasn't fair you wouldn't be able to do it, bet you'd moan if I used Vigor in PvP too.
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:21 am
by Fly
NuclearSilo wrote:In real life, you can use your shield to block the attack when you fall. So there is no reason you can't. Blader has bleed+impotent+divion+fear+dull+... it's very fair
riiiight. cuz u know, when your being knocked on ur ass, instead of getting up, the 1st thing u think about is opening your pack and taking out your shield, then blocking an attack.
do you ever think befor you talk?
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:43 am
by NuclearSilo
Ahahaha, Fly is a noob.
You can't put a shield in a pack, it's too big rofl
<<Stop bringing that up in Every topic>> ~Baro
Re: Pulling out a shield while knocked down.
Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:54 am
by Doppleganger
Qosta420 wrote:If your a true legit player you wont use this unfair tactic.
