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Question about Venus
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:10 pm
by NuclearSilo
http://forum.igamelegit.com/announcement.php?f=51&a=8Some comments:
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Some ppl are very good friends in the game. But one has given up and turned into bot. By respecting that rule, the friendship is broken.
There are more than 50 guilds. Seriously who would waste time to check the guilds list everytime he wants to train in pt share?
8. ... Starting at mujigis and up(lvl 40+), all share parties must be 100% legit confederation approved guilds
lol, i'm I under your control or what?
**Anyone wearing 6th degree gear and up(lvl40+), and is not in a legit confederation guild is considered a bot. Being in a share party with them will result in a ban.**
Decode their thought: if you are lvl 40+ and guildless, or create your own guild would be considered a bot. It's gay, isn't it?
I don't know what kept you endure these rules, but seriously this is not different than a dictator government. All your acts are under their control and you have to ask them every time you want to do smt. Game is the freedom, when you can't do smt in real life, you'll realize that in game you can do whatever you want (and face the consequence). Guild is not an obligation. If they don't want you in guild, you can quit. Ppl who're "scared to banned" are just childish. Especially Fly/NB can't ever control me
I'll let them know that their guild need me, not I need their guild
Honestly, it's because of these kind of legit that it gives other legits more despair than hope.
If you still not understand what I said about the dictator and control of your freedom, you must be immature or doesn't have enough brain to get rid of the control.
/no flame plz
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:15 pm
by PureStr
NuclearSilo wrote:i'm I under your control or what?
I dont see any rules that obligates players on venus to join the confederation.
I dont see any rules that forbids a confederated player from leaving the confederation.
Kthxbai
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:16 pm
by Phaidra
Try being guildless above level 40, if I get called a bot one more time one of them is being PKed. Remember, there are legits in Venus NOT in the confed because we play for fun, not to live by rules.
I still think It's a good thing but I'd rather not be a part of it.
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:22 pm
by Ash
venus players read the rules before they joined no one forced them to join THIS server . there is like 20+ other servers with at lease 1 legit union that has easier (more forgiven rules) but they chose venus . so i guess it's not of any one's business to judge their methods as long as it's working & the players are happy with it .
btw i don't play on venus & sorry for my bad english .
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:30 pm
by Cruor
**Anyone wearing 6th degree gear and up(lvl40+), and is not in a legit confederation guild is considered a bot. Being in a share party with them will result in a ban.**
Ah, so apparently I'm a bot. That's good to know.
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:30 pm
by NuclearSilo
PureStr wrote:NuclearSilo wrote:i'm I under your control or what?
I dont see any rules that obligates players on venus to join the confederation.
I dont see any rules that forbids a confederated player from leaving the confederation.
Kthxbai
If you are not in confederation guild list, you'd be considered bot and blacklisted. Isn't it gay?
They are considering something is not white is black. That's what they fail. Forgot about neutral/gray list?
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:38 pm
by SoAyame
its is a government ppl understand that. You know this be4 u go i didnt know all the rules but u also know ppl that are "unlegit" or w/e dont party. I think the rule is crazy, but hey
its effective. I don't care for Venus atm cuz i been lvl 54 for 2 weeks due to nobody mainly tanks arent playing so i made new character but no parties below 55+ seem like it so i went to pheonix. Now my friend wants me to play Granado Espada again one of the best mmo ever but w/e lol/
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:43 pm
by SiNaC
Phaidra wrote:Dizzy wrote:They have some weird rules and hardcore blah stuff in there... oh god
BTW: fly what you post before Is only BS like always and not true at all..
And hear all this after all the blabla stuff on me, "BTW: still is not true.."
and Oh my ... and what you fly did also o.O and DJ..
hmm
Argonaut take of that BS stuff
Blackfox? lol
lol yeah, that's what I was thinking too.
I'm still a little dizzy after reading that post.
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Nuclearsilo.
Please stop your crying.
You don't want to follow those rules? Don't!
I don't, but I would NEVER EVER
EVER post a thread about it!
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:45 pm
by Zero_Doom
Lol, are you fkin serious?
If you don't like the rules set down by the Confederation of Venus, NOT AVALON, then don't play by them. Sure, you won't be partying with ANY of the Confederation, but that's your idea of fun, right? Hell, if you don't like the way that we play on Venus, then go to one of the other servers. I am tired of seeing this stupid shit.
Can you honestly answer me this one question? Why is it that a supposed legit community, such as SRF, attacks Venus's legit community? I mean, we have accomplished something that no other server has, yet the "legits" on other servers do nothing but attack and flame us. I wonder why this is... Are you afraid that maybe if you came to Venus, you would be considered illegit? Afraid we would catch you botting? Why would so many people who publicly bash bots on here... publicly bash legits? Hmm? Answer that Nuclear, answer that for us. Since you obviously know so much about the communities.
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:49 pm
by SoAyame
Zero_Doom wrote:Lol, are you fkin serious?
If you don't like the rules set down by the Confederation of Venus, NOT AVALON, then don't play by them. Sure, you won't be partying with ANY of the Confederation, but that's your idea of fun, right? Hell, if you don't like the way that we play on Venus, then go to one of the other servers. I am tired of seeing this stupid shit.
Can you honestly answer me this one question? Why is it that a supposed legit community, such as SRF, attacks Venus's legit community? I mean, we have accomplished something that no other server has, yet the "legits" on other servers do nothing but attack and flame us. I wonder why this is... Are you afraid that maybe if you came to Venus, you would be considered illegit? Afraid we would catch you botting? Why would so many people who publicly bash bots on here... publicly bash legits? Hmm? Answer that Nuclear, answer that for us. Since you obviously know so much about the communities.
+1 to Remus xD
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:52 pm
by Axie
wow people in GD ran out of topics to talk about or something?
having fun talking about confederation? i swear some people need to find something more interesting in life than spamming about how confederation is bad and all.
To bad there is 2 unions full of people who enjoy things the way they are. Also there is 32 other servers, we do not oblige anyone to play by our rules... so stop crying go play on any other server where the "neutral/grey" area is considered
FFS PEOPLE CONFEDERATION =/= Fly,Nightbloom
yes they created it but NO they do not control it!
wow people are here for the drama arent they?
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:53 pm
by RogueKiller
SiNaC wrote:You don't want to follow those rules? Don't!
I don't, but I would NEVER EVER EVER post a thread about it!
Thats because you know you would be "blacklisted" or whatever it is.
I sort of understand where Nuclear is coming from. But I suppose the structures of how a democracy is built is not well understood by 13 year old kids making it easier to put these rules into action.
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:54 pm
by Phaidra
You forget there is a minority of people legit on Venus who started there when it opened or after whom enjoy playing guildless and have to put up with "OMG botter" every Farking day. That's the only thing that annoys me. And telling us to go play somewhere else is retarded, grow the **** up.
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:02 pm
by Toasty
Who cares.. does it affect you? Phaidra makes a good point in this thread, and is one of the things which i agreed with after being part of Venus. Dont have a clue why this thread was made though.. so pointless.
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:02 pm
by Avalonian
yes aiyas, nightbloom and fly own the confederation forum and they are admin... lately they been exposed by using their admin power to rig people's account to silence them for no reason..
Barotix wrote:Where is SRF's miserable list? Nonexistent.
Who's account has SRF Rigged? Oh, what a surprise: No-one's.
How many polls can SRF manipulate? None.
We have something called principles here. I heard they're selling some on ebay.
Karras wrote:What NB/Fly did is/was wrong.
XemnasXD wrote:In most cases an abuse of moderation power, especially one used to censor the opinions or thoughts of someone in what is supposed to be a democracy, would result in swift punishment upon the party responsible for the injustices.
you ppl are so far and fast in orbit you don't realize how far up their a**holes you've gotten sometimes...incidents like this should normally ground you but instead you rush to their defense as if they were Atlas holding up your world, its disgusting.
Karras wrote:@Guardia
Time to wake up my man. I would say you are the single most loyal member of Avalon towards NB&Fly. Are you aware that you are being mistreated? Wake up BRO!
Its not worth it.
Velocity wrote:Im not going to lie,venus is fcked up
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:08 pm
by Axie
Phaidra wrote:Axie wrote:Phaidra wrote:You forget there is a minority of people legit on Venus who started there when it opened or after whom enjoy playing guildless and have to put up with "OMG botter" every Farking day. That's the only thing that annoys me. And telling us to go play somewhere else is retarded, grow the **** up.
well i started to play on eldorado or athens or any other of 32 servers where i had to put up with "OMG FACK LEGIT MATHER" every farking day. You think that is not annoying?
I don't see where you're going with that.
what i am saying is with out confederation there would not be venus and there would not be so many legits. It would've just turned into any other server.
Yes it is not perfect, nothing is. But sure as hell is better than any other alternative out there.
and yes this thread is pointless but it sure is making my post count go up
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:15 pm
by NuclearSilo
[SD]Kratos wrote:dumbass its not avalon rules it is confederation rules. and why do u care silo? seriously if you dont play on venus why do u read the confed forums? .....
i don't care about venus nor avalon nor confederation, i only care about the players who got fooled, controlled and had their gameplay imposed by another person. They must be lost their freedom. Since it's a public forum, so i can visit and do whatever i want (see my freedom?
)
And because you called be dumbass, i need to throw your shit back to make it balanced. Ass kisser!
Zero_Doom wrote:Can you honestly answer me this one question? Why is it that a supposed legit community, such as SRF, attacks Venus's legit community? I mean, we have accomplished something that no other server has, yet the "legits" on other servers do nothing but attack and flame us. I wonder why this is... Are you afraid that maybe if you came to Venus, you would be considered illegit? Afraid we would catch you botting? Why would so many people who publicly bash bots on here... publicly bash legits? Hmm? Answer that Nuclear, answer that for us. Since you obviously know so much about the communities.
Whatever the confederation is, it's controlled by Avalon. Rule are set by Avalon (60% of the voice power are from them). Don't call your community legit. The ppl who are banned in TheEMPIRE guild must have go to venus and bot again.
Of course I know the accomplish you did on Venus. But since what happened, i changed my way of thinking about the goal of this accomplishment.
It's not because that the Avalons want to have a legit server, but because they want to eliminate their concurrents ie bots, so by having advantage from the gold bots, sosun stuffs and gold, they'll sure be the number one and own all other legits.
SRF doesn't attack any legit community. It's just that whoever causes the problem, he is the one who face the consequence. No flame, no smoke.
Oh, and this thread is to critic your rules, not your legitimacy.
And to answer to your question, I don't have to come to come to Venus to play. I won't play on a server that i don't have friend. And I don't have the same definition of 'friendship', it's not based on how they play the game, but the person behind it. I rarely play this game, just login for a couple of times to do some tests.
Twist wrote:Empress of legitness is gone now, all NB/Avalon drama is over, why you need start it again?You weirdo.
This is about confederation rule, not NB/fly, mind to read the whole post?
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:16 pm
by SoAyame
I don't understand? You guys dislike these ppl so much its like a virus u guys are! I don't go around saying hey i don't like Fly and NB. Which i don't really but i respect what they did i mean how can ppl look at this so small.
@Avalonian
You never answer my question dude. I think u was disappointed. I hope u realize if that legit community on Phoenix succeed it will be similar to Venus. The hate u have is insane. What are u like 14 years old below? I'm not trying to flame u just ur maturity level is low.
@ All ppl that are not from Venus
You guys don't know 100% that goes on Venus u only see what is posted. May i ask why are you on igamelegit if u ur not on Venus? Avalon doesn't rule at all its called "Senates." Therefore u can not judge because u don't understand. So this post was for the topic starter to understand. Not for ppl to somewhat flame the Confederation.
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:17 pm
by JKMB
Yeah some of the confederation rules are stupid, ill agree with that, in fact ill be the 1st to critise most of them, but be that as it may, the results they get are undeniable, Venus has one of the strongest communities out there, it has bought back fun that sro has been lacking for me since the late 70 cap, I suppose it comes down to the time old saying that bots often use "let people play the game how they want to", well let the confederation's members play how they want to then, they arn't forcing you to follow their rules anymore then a server where some other radical group is in control, on Zeus for example unless your from kuwait, GG managing to pvp there, same thing here on Venus.
tl;dr "live and let live".
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:19 pm
by Norain_
SoAyame wrote:I don't understand? You guys dislike these ppl so much its like a virus u guys are! I don't go around saying hey i don't like Fly and NB. Which i don't really but i respect what they did i mean how can ppl look at this so small.
@Avalonian
You never answer my question dude. I think u was disappointed. I hope u realize if that legit community on Phoenix succeed it will be similar to Venus. The hate u have is insane. What are u like 14 years old below? I'm not trying to flame u just ur maturity level is low.
@ All ppl that are not from Venus
You guys don't know 100% that goes on Venus u only see what is posted. May i ask why are you on igamelegit if u ur not on Venus? Avalon doesn't rule at all its called "Senates." Therefore u can not judge because u don't understand. So this post was for the topic starter to understand. Not for ppl to somewhat flame the Confederation.
Bots dislike Legits, i think you can figure out the rest.
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:21 pm
by Phaidra
Norain_ wrote:SoAyame wrote:I don't understand? You guys dislike these ppl so much its like a virus u guys are! I don't go around saying hey i don't like Fly and NB. Which i don't really but i respect what they did i mean how can ppl look at this so small.
@Avalonian
You never answer my question dude. I think u was disappointed. I hope u realize if that legit community on Phoenix succeed it will be similar to Venus. The hate u have is insane. What are u like 14 years old below? I'm not trying to flame u just ur maturity level is low.
@ All ppl that are not from Venus
You guys don't know 100% that goes on Venus u only see what is posted. May i ask why are you on igamelegit if u ur not on Venus? Avalon doesn't rule at all its called "Senates." Therefore u can not judge because u don't understand. So this post was for the topic starter to understand. Not for ppl to somewhat flame the Confederation.
Bots dislike Legits, i think you can figure out the rest.
Not always the case
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:23 pm
by Zero_Doom
NuclearSilo wrote:[SD]Kratos wrote:dumbass its not avalon rules it is confederation rules. and why do u care silo? seriously if you dont play on venus why do u read the confed forums? .....
i don't care about venus nor avalon nor confederation, i only care about the players who got fooled, controlled and had their gameplay imposed by another person. They must be lost their freedom. Since it's a public forum, so i can visit and do whatever i want (see my freedom?
)
And because you called be dumbass, i need to throw your shit back to make it balanced. Ass kisser!
Zero_Doom wrote:Can you honestly answer me this one question? Why is it that a supposed legit community, such as SRF, attacks Venus's legit community? I mean, we have accomplished something that no other server has, yet the "legits" on other servers do nothing but attack and flame us. I wonder why this is... Are you afraid that maybe if you came to Venus, you would be considered illegit? Afraid we would catch you botting? Why would so many people who publicly bash bots on here... publicly bash legits? Hmm? Answer that Nuclear, answer that for us. Since you obviously know so much about the communities.
Whatever the confederation is, it's controlled by Avalon. Rule are set by Avalon (60% of the voice power are from them). Don't call your community legit. The ppl who are banned in TheEMPIRE guild must have go to venus and bot again.
Of course I know the accomplish you did on Venus. But since what happened, i changed my way of thinking about the goal of this accomplishment. It's not because that the Avalons want to have a legit server, but because they want to eliminate their concurrents ie bots, so by having advantage from the gold bots, sosun stuffs and gold, they'll sure be the number one and own all other legits.
SRF doesn't attack any legit community. It's just that whoever causes the problem, he is the one who face the consequence. No flame, no smoke.
Oh, and this thread is to critic your rules, not your legitimacy.
And to answer to your question, I don't have to come to come to Venus to play. I won't play on a server that i don't have friend. And I don't have the same definition of 'friendship', it's not based on how they play the game, but the person behind it. I rarely play this game, just login for a couple of times to do some tests.
Twist wrote:Empress of legitness is gone now, all NB/Avalon drama is over, why you need start it again?You weirdo.
This is about confederation rule, not NB/fly, mind to read the whole post?
So by all of this, you are stating that SuicideGirl is also a stupid, brain-washed moron? I mean, since he not only
ENFORCES the rules on Venus, but also helped implement them. He is the leader of BHA, the other large legit union, and 1/4 unions that are part of the Confederation. It is entertaining that there are no posts regarding how corrupt BHA must be, since they follow the same rules as Avalon.
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:26 pm
by Phaidra
Where does being corrupt come into it? Nucelars asking for opinions on the rules that's all don't be so defensiv. I think even he will agree the legits on Venus have a great server going.
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:28 pm
by Avalonian
SoAyame wrote:@Avalonian
You never answer my question dude. I think u was disappointed. I hope u realize if that legit community on Phoenix succeed it will be similar to Venus. The hate u have is insane. What are u like 14 years old below? I'm not trying to flame u just ur maturity level is low.
no, in phoenix we will ahve a true democracy. no BS rules, no "miserable user" list, none of that lame shit. and our leaders are 100% clean, not closet botters who distribute free softmod accts behind close doors.
fly and nightbloom borught it upon themselve. they went in the general discussion of this forum asskissing themselves for being "100% legit", deny ever touching a bot, deny having a softmod account, denying giving softmod accounts away. many people who spoke the truth about them got banned for "false accusations". they pretty much fcked up SRF lol.
they even call a bunch of people dumbasses for not playing Venus, even SRF mod Millennium lol.
they dug their own grave. if they didnt praise their legitness, none of this would matter. no one would care about them. but for a long time, they been imposing their fake legitness all over us. so now the public has the right to be mad.
they dug their own grave, and it will be the same grave they dug that they fall into
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:30 pm
by Zero_Doom
Phaidra wrote:Where does being corrupt come into it? Nucelars asking for opinions on the rules that's all don't be so defensiv. I think even he will agree the legits on Venus have a great server going.
To state that the rules are laid down by dictators is to state that he believes that it is corrupt. He may not have come straight out and said it, but his word usage clearly indicates exactly the point is trying to make.
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:32 pm
by Twist
Empress of legitness:I will stop every singe bot, ruin every single bot company,make their life miserable, torchure them till they QQ and quit.I never botted, and i never will, i fully enjoy SRO.All hypocrites should be stopped, right now, and im here to do it.
...later on...
NB:I bot, and i did shared some free softmod account, i swear, this is first time i lied, ever.Q_Q
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:32 pm
by Zero_Doom
Avalonian wrote:SoAyame wrote:@Avalonian
You never answer my question dude. I think u was disappointed. I hope u realize if that legit community on Phoenix succeed it will be similar to Venus. The hate u have is insane. What are u like 14 years old below? I'm not trying to flame u just ur maturity level is low.
no, in phoenix we will ahve a true democracy. no BS rules, no "miserable user" list, none of that lame shit. and our leaders are 100% clean, not closet botters who distribute free softmod accts behind close doors.
fly and nightbloom borught it upon themselve. they went in the general discussion of this forum asskissing themselves for being "100% legit", deny ever touching a bot, deny having a softmod account, denying giving softmod accounts away.
they even call a bunch of people dumbasses for not playing Venus, even SRF mod Millennium lol.
they dug their own grave. if they didnt praise their legitness, none of this would matter. no one would care about them. but for a long time, they been imposing their fake legitness all over us. so now the public has the right to be mad.
they dug their own grave, and it will be the same grave they dug that they fall into
I am curious to know, if the mods were to look at your IP, would it go back to someone that was banned recently? People have said you are Kari, but I have half a mind to believe that you are actually D2A... Either way, I don't see how you aren't banned for a recreated account.
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:33 pm
by Phaidra
Fair enough, valid point.
Personally I think It's a good thing, but I prefer to play guildless in Venus, even if I'm PKed for being a so-called bot.
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:34 pm
by RogueKiller
Zero_Doom wrote:I am curious to know, if the mods were to look at your IP, would it go back to someone that was banned recently? People have said you are Kari, but I have half a mind to believe that you are actually D2A... Either way, I don't see how you aren't banned for a recreated account.
Its not D2A. D2A has a brain.
Re: So this is Avalon union rule
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:35 pm
by Zero_Doom
Phaidra wrote:Fair enough, valid point.
Personally I think It's a good thing, but I prefer to play guildless in Venus, even if I'm PKed for being a so-called bot.
Please, tell me your in game name, and I will be happy to share this information with the Confederation. If you are legit, then they should not be pking you. xP