warlock discussion

[penfold1992]

inspired by http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89DEaOf8I00

i have decided to make a warlock, ive checked the only guide i could find but im a little in the mist.

so im looking for an open discussion on warlocks.

should they ALWAYS be pure int, i heard the guy in that vid is hyb :S if so how much hyb is good?

also, he has bard sub... but cleric seems 2 be suggested, does that mean bard is a bad choice?

what is better as a subclass and build wise? im planning on building a pvp warlock ish without farming too much

[Berto]

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[M3K0S]

i am a pure int warlock bard and i must say its a preety fun build and also rly good if you rly know how to use it... sadly i havent lvld to be 90 so i can try out the awesome full power of my build...
oh yea also ull need like 1 million sp for bardlock and i think you need even more for warlock cleric

[Bread_Fish]

pure int warlock cleric is my build

the only time ive ever had trouble in pvp is with wizards and rogues that spam invis and stealth.....but everyone has problems with them (i can still beat them if im paying attention and stun them fast enough)

going hybrid is completely unnecessary because in the worst situation you can just stun and use bless spell or if youre full farmed you can switch to cleric and use a few buffs on yourself and youll be invincible

to me goin bard is pretty pointless cuz all you get is speed and noise and more attacks but it doesnt really do anything that helps you stay alive in pvp or pve =/
(for example if i grind like the person in that video my hp literally never moves and i only use like 10 large hp pots for a long grind)

so yea...my 2 cents:
dont go hybrid
cleric is far more useful than bard

oh and a note...grinding like that video destroys your durability and you might be able to go for about 2 hours max before your wep breaks so i never do it like that but if youre really bored its a good way to make grinding fun

[_Creep_]

That build requires a looot sp. To be honest not worth of trouble pwfarming and leveling to 90. I have friend 90 lvl FF with sun set and sun warlock rod and I kill him in pvp more then he kills me. He is good, and skilled he isnt noob but when I pvp with him, with holy spell on, its very very hard for him.

[Bread_Fish]

That build requires a looot sp. To be honest not worth of trouble pwfarming and leveling to 90. I have friend 90 lvl FF with sun set and sun warlock rod and I kill him in pvp more then he kills me. He is good, and skilled he isnt noob but when I pvp with him, with holy spell on, its very very hard for him.

oo yea i forgot about holy spell

buttttt
if your cleric is full farmed you can switch over, buff yourself, and use cleric skills instead that way you dont have to rely on debuffs but you can still put DOTs on the enemy and stun them if you need to (unfortunately im not full farmed yet)

so yea....its harder to kill people with holy spell but nobod says you always have to fight with warlock attacks

[/Pi]

If your going with a cleric sub, I say go pure int. When you're getting pounded, a split second weapon switch to cleric will probably save your ass especially when you're wearing light armor due to the passives.

[Kirkaldi]

Pure Int is the way to go and you should go Warlock/Wizard. That build is OVERKILL.

[Karras]

Warlock Barb or Warlock Cleric both works, just differently.

Both requires intense amount of SP to have full skills and be full farmed. Warlock Cleric requires more.

Grinding
Warlock Barb wins. Cleric do not contribute much in grinding, warlock can survive alone. I can take down giant my lvl with outta date gears, pt mobs and pt champs arent a problem too. u grind like what u saw in that video, thats how a Warlock should grind. Yes your weapon dura goes down faster but thats how u should do it.

PvP
Definitely Warlock Cleric, I guess every1 knows y, no need to say much. Altho Barbs speed is unmatched.

Note: at lvl 90 and fully farmed full skilled, a Cleric is not immune to Warlock's statuses. Cleric maxed Holy word does not prevent Warlock's statuses. I don't see y a warlock would have problem against a Cleric.

When I advance in lvl, and get a new weapon, 1st thing i do is pimp the dura. Lvl 85 warlock stick hav standard dura of 200+? cant recall... Pimped would have a much higher value. Always take 2 warlock stick.

[Burningwolf]

Warlock Barb or Warlock Cleric both works, just differently.

Both requires intense amount of SP to have full skills and be full farmed. Warlock Cleric requires more.

Grinding
Warlock Barb wins. Cleric do not contribute much in grinding, warlock can survive alone. I can take down giant my lvl with outta date gears, pt mobs and pt champs arent a problem too. u grind like what u saw in that video, thats how a Warlock should grind. Yes your weapon dura goes down faster but thats how u should do it.

PvP
Definitely Warlock Cleric, I guess every1 knows y, no need to say much. Altho Barbs speed is unmatched.

Note: at lvl 90 and fully farmed full skilled, a Cleric is not immune to Warlock's statuses. Cleric maxed Holy word does not prevent Warlock's statuses. I don't see y a warlock would have problem against a Cleric.

When I advance in lvl, and get a new weapon, 1st thing i do is pimp the dura. Lvl 85 warlock stick hav standard dura of 200+? cant recall... Pimped would have a much higher value. Always take 2 warlock stick.

barb
lol...

I played WArlock/bard till lv.20 or so
awesome build, so freaking fast xD

[Berto]

YES MEN PURE INT BEST. eur0 iz pure int 0r strreeength onleeee or u big n00p. i duno cuz i nevar had a walrock but pure int best bcauze i see it in tha site.

[Bread_Fish]

YES MEN PURE INT BEST. eur0 iz pure int 0r strreeength onleeee or u big n00p. i duno cuz i nevar had a walrock but pure int best bcauze i see it in tha site.

dunno if that was a reply to me or anything but just in case
i have a lvl82 pure int warlock btw

[CeLL]

if you plan to level it yourself, minimal to no plvl, than pure int LockBard is your choice. a hybrid WarloCleric would be best for pvp. not TOO much hybrid. with cleric + hybrid + hp leeching, you wont die, much.


make sure you look into the concept of "kiting." if you dont know what this is i have a low level lock on venus i can show you this with. its a really fast paced and fun way to grind. it also requires bard for speed.

[Advancechao]

going hybrid is completely unnecessary because in the worst situation you can just stun and use bless spell or if youre full farmed you can switch to cleric and use a few buffs on yourself and youll be invincible

so yea...my 2 cents:
dont go hybrid

As an INT build, there will always be someone who can 1 hit KO you. Healing and buffing would be pretty hard to do when you're dead on the floor. Going hybrid adds HP and physical defense, and as a warlock, you still kill effectively with DoT and nukes no matter how much STR you put in. The nature of the warlock build even allows pure STRs to get kills with it, such as the warrior/warlock or rogue/warlock. Think of it as insurance against being surprise attacked or if your stun/sleep fails (which does happen from time to time). Not to say that pure INT is a bad choice. The hybrid build simply gives you a higher probability of survival against strong hits. I know people of both kinds and they all function extremely well no matter their choice. The decision between pures and hybrids is a personal decision to place emphasis on faster kills or ability to survive, so neither is "completely unnecessary."

Let's all be fwends
(Lol Berto )

[Berto]

YES MEN PURE INT BEST. eur0 iz pure int 0r strreeength onleeee or u big n00p. i duno cuz i nevar had a walrock but pure int best bcauze i see it in tha site.

dunno if that was a reply to me or anything but just in case
i have a lvl82 pure int warlock btw

NO RLY. Pure int best, you can do the beeeeegest damage and your offering will 1 hit them all tha time with 50k! I cream myself over overkills. When it comes to pvp, you can hit the best on str users. But watch out for their crits, because 1 crit even with impotent will 1 hit you! But that's a sacrifice you gotta make for euro, because they're restricted to pure int or str. You can poon nukers too, with your high magic balance your nukes will take place of any necessary absolute damage skills. Euro's are just not meant to solo anyways, pure int will ensure your dependence on parties to support you.

Take the advice and go pure int if your no n00p. Why would you sacrifice precious damage when your weapons are limited to magic or physical damage anyways? It's a ridiculous idea, and absurd beyond belief for any fool to try and create a hybrid euro.

[tedtwilliger]

Hybrid is the way to go. Hybrid clerics go well. Since a lot of your damage is with de buffs, you don't lose much damage my going hybrid but gain enough hp to survive a crit. Go hybrid, around 90%.

[Karras]

...It's a ridiculous idea, and absurd beyond belief for any fool to try and create a hybrid euro...

lol... Nice one...

Off topic, Does warrior skin buff stay after weapon switch?

[Crumpets]

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+ vortex's HYBRID Lcok / Cleric. All I have to say .. at 90 cap it RAPES. There's not much any char can do versus a high defense char with awkward HP. And the fact that his DoT's still do insane damage, overheal etc etc.

[Taelys]

How bout the special pills, offer they defense against warlock attacks?

[Shadow]

How bout the special pills, offer they defense against warlock attacks?

15 second delay for both euros and chinese. Not sure if wheel bind affects this cooldown time.

[V0rt3x]

+ vortex's HYBRID Lcok / Cleric. All I have to say .. at 90 cap it RAPES. There's not much any char can do versus a high defense char with awkward HP. And the fact that his DoT's still do insane damage, overheal etc etc.

And grains are better to use with hybrid + that if you fight a full int cleric he wont able to absolute you and you can absolute him.
Soon ill make a new vid of the warlock ill be fighting any sun users.
Hybrid is the way to go for me

[Malice_Fighter]

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+ vortex's HYBRID Lcok / Cleric. All I have to say .. at 90 cap it RAPES. There's not much any char can do versus a high defense char with awkward HP. And the fact that his DoT's still do insane damage, overheal etc etc.

you have to see berto pvping xD

[ahmedsabry]

glad to see a video i posted is inspiring someone.. im flattered rly
now since u've been inspired by the "kiting" technique the guy in the video was using, u need to understand what that is..
"Kiting is a term encountered in MMORPGs such as SRO or World of Warcraft referring to a popular method of killing mobs (monsters) by staying at a distance, using ranged attacks, and running whenever the enemy comes near.
The advantage of the strategy is that a safe distance is kept between the player and the target while the player keeps bombarding the target with ranged attacks (such as spells, arrows, or other projectiles). This ideally results in a dead monster without the player taking a hit. The obvious disadvantages of this tactic are the annoyances of constant running around, its slowness, and the possibility of "adds" (other monsters in the area assisting the primary target). The tactic relies on being able to generate more damage per second than the mob's hit point regeneration without running out of mana or projectiles."
as a warlock you can ideally do this tactic by asting a DOT (or multiple dots) and running away while using more DOTs on other opponents. this method is VERY effective and grants far more exp than other ways of grinding.. some other MMORPGs (EverQest) even decided to decrease DOT damage if the enemy is running after the player down to 66% of its initial power. luckily this didnt happen in sro, and u can effectively do this grinding method with ease especially if u have a bard sub, or at least a wizard sub for teleport.

[salmissra]

stuff...

+1

oh and i suggest you go a little bit hybrid. pure int is great imo but you can never go bad with a little extra defense and hp. warlock is the ONLY euro build imo that can go hybrid safely since it's attacks is based on its: 1. nukes 2. DOTS and debuffs (which wont change too much with hybrid stats)

[Malice_Fighter]

hoa ahmedsabry da asm masry?

[ahmedsabry]

about the sub, it actually depens on what you want to do with your charecter..
Bard:
1-extra speed (alot of it)
2-noise.. insanely usefull while grindning/jobbing.
3-powerfull nukes.. come in VERY handy while pvping, party grinding, or trying to plvl a lower lcl character.
4-generally makes pve far easier and faster.

Cleric:
1-extra healing power, and immunity to status effects (holy spell)
2-extra defence for 45 seconds (bless)
3-one powerfull nuke (offering) but its usage is limited to pvp while the opponent is debuffed and stunned.
4-generally makes pvp easier.

Wizard:
1-faster killing if the mobs are non-aggro mobs.
2-grants u the ability to kill uniqes, which is impossible to do with warlocks
3-adds ALOT of versatiity in pvp/pve but gives no extra survivabilty.
4-pvping is better than bard but less than cleric, while pve is better than cleric but less than bard.

hope i've helped.

[ahmedsabry]

hoa ahmedsabry da asm masry?

yea

[Cavalorn]

Warlock is definiately a fun build to play. But it requires a hell lot of SP, even if you go pure warlock, not to mention warlock/cleric...

[penfold1992]

ok i wna make a lock.

NOT GETTING ALL CLERIC AND BARD SKILLS.
i plan to do that DoT technique and im not sure how much int i need to make sure it kills the mob before it runs out on the mob.
i will plvl it up to maybe 40-50 and after that see how it goes ( im lvl 76 nuker atm cant plvl THAT high up)

there is no point concentrating on pvp at high lvls too much because ill be grinding more so probably so yea it needs to be good enough for both :S bard is good i like speed very much but cleric seems like a complete waste of time when i leech hp and if pure int dont hang around long enough to find out how good cleric is.

also cleric is SP FARM OVERKILL, i plan to farm a blader as well which will take months!

so yea, i need to know how much hybrid, why, and what will make a good subclass in terms of fighting with "ok" equipment. ie. if im going to get raped 1 hit by every1 dont tell me to go cleric, i dont plan to be a bless spamming abuser

[CeLL]

YES MEN PURE INT BEST. eur0 iz pure int 0r strreeength onleeee or u big n00p. i duno cuz i nevar had a walrock but pure int best bcauze i see it in tha site.

dunno if that was a reply to me or anything but just in case
i have a lvl82 pure int warlock btw

NO RLY. Pure int best, you can do the beeeeegest damage and your offering will 1 hit them all tha time with 50k! I cream myself over overkills. When it comes to pvp, you can hit the best on str users. But watch out for their crits, because 1 crit even with impotent will 1 hit you! But that's a sacrifice you gotta make for euro, because they're restricted to pure int or str. You can poon nukers too, with your high magic balance your nukes will take place of any necessary absolute damage skills. Euro's are just not meant to solo anyways, pure int will ensure your dependence on parties to support you.

Take the advice and go pure int if your no n00p. Why would you sacrifice precious damage when your weapons are limited to magic or physical damage anyways? It's a ridiculous idea, and absurd beyond belief for any fool to try and create a hybrid euro.

Im glad you are finally coming to your senses and yeilded to the mentality of all the pros, and leaving that noop way of thinking behind.
CONFORMITY!