PVP BLOWS

[BladeSkillz]

90 Cap pvp sucks.

- The purpose has moved from who can make the best build and make the best gear to who can find the most sun.
- There is no such thing anymore as a fair 1 v 1 pvp match (thanks to outside buffers, avatars, premium +'s etc.)
- Most players have no respect for each other; constantly double teaming/ganging up on players and trash talking.
- Players are desperate and willing to pay large sums of money just to have as great an edge as possible (the mentality of the silkroad gaming community has declined and has become greedier as well)
- Wizards


Joymax should do something to make pvp BETTER.

Honestly, all those bonuses from honor, avatar, premiums, and even scrolls should not be counted when a player is wearing a cape. (only when wearing a pvp CAPE though)
The sun drop rate should be corrected.
There should be an official way to have a 1 v 1 (and every player should have a pvp record; wins:losses)
Max gold held by a player should be limited to 1B per ACCOUNT.


I think these things would make pvp more interesting and even MORE competitive.

What do you all think? Please no flaming. Share your ideas to make pvp better as well.

[xxbrentonxx]

With the 1v1 they should have it like Runescape dueling in its good times, where you can set rules and gamble money/items for who wins.

Kind of rules you might be able to set.

No moving, No kb, No kd, No vigors/certain item, No zerk etc.

[asusi]

With the 1v1 they should have it like Runescape dueling in its good times, where you can set rules and gamble money/items for who wins.

Kind of rules you might be able to set.

No moving, No kb, No kd, No vigors/certain item, No zerk etc.

and no Nukes and snow shield stealth and no pot use....


get the point ?

[OTG]

I agree about the whole outside buffers. They should make it when you put a cape you can choose to pvp 1v1 or to pvp in group.

[xxbrentonxx]

With the 1v1 they should have it like Runescape dueling in its good times, where you can set rules and gamble money/items for who wins.

Kind of rules you might be able to set.

No moving, No kb, No kd, No vigors/certain item, No zerk etc.

and no Nukes and snow shield stealth and no pot use....


get the point ?

Well im not saying u have to put them on, but yes if both people didnt rely on nukes but thought the other cud use them to his advantage i spose there cud be an option turning them off.

[Goseki]

Sun=Pain in the Ass to kill

Yes. ppl tend to get carried away, especially with turks and other annoying groups that enjoy gang-raping someone 5+ levels below them.

Adding a dual option would be nice. When under pvp state. any outside healers would turn purple. Normal state, outside healing is fine. (doubt this could ever be worked in)

PPl will get carried away with pvp though. Even illogically. I know my GM was having a chat war and pvp war against some pinoys and turks and egy. Basically he just insulted allah ( pics are suppose to be on some hate site now o_O) but yeah, ppl get mad, annoyed. start insulting everything. I remember the pinoy sun person kept laughing how my GM was waiting in safe zone, so he stopped going in there, and kept fighting w/o buffs. She on the other hand ran back there every time she died >_> irony. Also funny when turks and egy start using english to insult. Basically any pvp will get out of hand as it grows. More ppl = more tempers = stupid shit spammed on chat screen.

Wizs aren't so bad cept when they kill lowerlvl because they realize anyone at a high lvl with good set can't be killed in 1-shot so they end up dead instead >_>.

End point: the capes represent free-for-all/group pvp. There is little-no 1vs1 in this game when you look at it. Group pvp comes along with all the drama. Enjoy.

[xKingpinx]

outside buffers suck and turks suck bottom line lol....

[Snoopy]

It's your decision whether or not to kill / pvp someone with sun. If you can, go for it. If you can't, don't complain.

I don't think that the sun drop-rate is such a problem (It can change once I get one ). I hate however, idiot botters that get 3-4 sun drops, simply because they are on 24/7.

I think the purpose of having sun is to give you the greater edge, along with Premium Plus etc. If you had one, I'm pretty sure you would like to be able to use it at pvp.

Once again, a system like Lineage 2's Dual System would be good. Where you can select someone to dual, and it's their choice to decline or accept. As well as a mass cape pvp.

[Shadowfox542]

90 Cap pvp sucks.

- The purpose has moved from who can make the best build and make the best gear to who can find the most sun. I don't know about you, but Olympus 80cap was much more of a sun whore fest. there are only like 3 sun whores I know of, Yurka, Vortex, and lompi27. I like the first two.
- There is no such thing anymore as a fair 1 v 1 pvp match (thanks to outside buffers, avatars, premium +'s etc.)Totally agree. Premium PLUS fcks up PvP. Shoulda stayed at 5%. Out of suit buffers are terrible, and IMO the worst thing in SRO at the moment.
- Most players have no respect for each other; constantly double teaming/ganging up on players and trash talking. I generally feel like I am respect on Olympus. Generally.
- Players are desperate and willing to pay large sums of money just to have as great an edge as possible (the mentality of the silkroad gaming community has declined and has become greedier as well) Indeed. I lured on this guys PLVL PT and now hes threatening to hack me.
- Wizards fail build is full of fail


Joymax should do something to make pvp BETTER.

Honestly, all those bonuses from honor, avatar, premiums, and even scrolls should not be counted when a player is wearing a cape. (only when wearing a pvp CAPE though)
The sun drop rate should be corrected.
There should be an official way to have a 1 v 1 (and every player should have a pvp record; wins:losses)
Max gold held by a player should be limited to 1B per ACCOUNT.


I think these things would make pvp more interesting and even MORE competitive.




What do you all think? Please no flaming. Share your ideas to make pvp better as well.

Dueling would be nice. Though, too many rules would make it retarded. Wait until it becomes "fair" for nukers to not be allowed snow, similar how everyone calls stealth cheap.

[Zeela12]

1v1 pvp is not fair towards euro builds, just like how party/buffers isn't fair towards Chinese builds.

It's hard to set up a valid pvp system, espeically with support builds like bard and clerics. Kills alone shouldn't constitute who the "best" pvper is anymore.

[MiKe 51-50]

I hope you understand joymax is not about the players, it's about the income.

They designed 60cap to be extremely good so when they launch the game everyone will like it and think it's balanced. Then 70 cap comes and they do little effort to make the game balanced so people will want to switch builds(in comes item mall). 80 cap comes with even more slacker effort to balance the game and makes people so bored with their skills that they want to switch to a different build. A new race comes and it's euro. You gota start from scratch and basically replay the game in the process mostly spend money to make it go fast. 90 cap comes in which they make 70's cap glavie one of the lower builds and yet again everyone wants to change builds again. 100 cap comes and everyone has to lose a mastery because of 300 skill limit.

The game is based on income. Just look at those suits you pay for. They are basically worth as much as a notepad that anybody can make on their own desktop(infinite stock and free to make).

[Fury]

I totally agree. Pvp has gotten a lot worse. All it is now days are a bunch idiots that gang up on you simply cos u killed someone from their guild. Today some lvl 6x guy attacked me, so i fought back and killed him. He did it again so i killed him again. Then he brings is high lvl character and starts killing me for no reason. I think a lot of ppl have forogtten what pvp is meant to be.

[Reaper~17]

PvP is what PvP is, if unfair find a way to whack the crap outta them hehe

but i do agree, ive noticed people gang banging way too much =(

[tedtwilliger]

- The purpose has moved from who can make the best build and make the best gear to who can find the most sun.

Not really. PVP starts before lvl 90, hell many people CTF, job and caper pvp the whole way. Anyway, the majority of people don't a full sun set.

- There is no such thing anymore as a fair 1 v 1 pvp match (thanks to outside buffers, avatars, premium +'s etc.)

There is though. Maybe if you walk up to someone and start randomly attacking them it isn't fair. But make some friends, arrange some "duels", set the fighting agreements ( no external buffs, no suits blah blah ) and fight away. You can't find if you dont look.

- Most players have no respect for each other; constantly double teaming/ganging up on players and trash talking.

Thats hardly joymax's fault, thats the fault of the community. People are immature, people are jerks, people are noobs.. use whatever excuse you want. Either way thats just what people are like.

- Players are desperate and willing to pay large sums of money just to have as great an edge as possible (the mentality of the silkroad gaming community has declined and has become greedier as well)

I buy silk because it makes my game experience more fun. I have the spare cash to do so.. why shouldn't i? I have a suit and a monkey, my suit makes me stronger so does that mean your complaining at me for it? Joymax make profit on it, i like what it looks like.. if you can't afford to buy one than thats your fault, not mine.
In reference to people buying gold etc, i agree with you. That is a problem with this game. The community has failed and people have stopped caring. Its up to us, the legits, to work towards stopping this. Look at the great work venus has done, its a shining light to us all.

- Wizards

And? Whats wrong with wizards? With a bit of skill and timing you can easily kill them. Also, in group pvp.. its not always a one shot. They are a build just like everyone else. Learn how to pvp them.

[JKMB]

Completly agree with outside buffers and the prem+ part, bard buffs make you god like and with a cleric spam healing you, your hp wont drop under 70%, how is this fair.. and with the silk stuff, yesterday for example this guy wanted to pvp me after CTF, fine with me, I dont back down, so he goes and charges 300 silk in front of me to buy prem+ and dmg/defense scrolls for pvp with me. and then goes "hhhhhhhh" after when he wins 1/3 fights. :/

[Plutonium]

with euros... pvps are really messed up that's why many people quit.

1v1 nowadays are people buffing each others and teaming up. very lame.


if you want team, then guild war, job war, or fortress war.... nubs

[streetrobban]

With the 1v1 they should have it like Runescape dueling in its good times, where you can set rules and gamble money/items for who wins.

Kind of rules you might be able to set.

No moving, No kb, No kd, No vigors/certain item, No zerk etc.

and no Nukes and snow shield stealth and no pot use....


get the point ?

+1

[monkey.]

Colosseum Battle arena! Located in Constantinople Colosseum (if anyone don't know what it is, its the big round building in north east of Constantinople) you can pick between 3 choices of fights.
1. Normal 1 vs 1 fights.
2. 2 vs 2 Group battles.
3. Battles for fun with random characters. (Would get random characters lvl 90 to fight each other with npc +3 armor)

* - berserker, scrolls wont be available to use and all pluses that premium gives wont give any advantage while in battle.
Level range between fights is going to be 5. (unless not much people participate to this tournament. When joining you will need to pay according to you level. 20-40 10k gold. 41-60 100k. 61-75 500k and 76-90 1.5kk)
36 players can participate in the tournament. Winner gets the amount of gold players paid when participated.

That's my wish which seem to be a good update

[alZen]

1v1 pvp was meant to be simple 1v1 ... how complex can 1v1 be? and yeah ... trust the players to get creative making simple 1v1 becoming so complex by exploiting the gaps.

trying to make players become murderers, alternate characters to get all the buffs.

and now folks need help to put some constraints to make 1v1 pvp simple and fun again ... minimising the current abuses.

perhaps a CTF method of signing up for a pvp would be good, and you get a step-ladder match up all the way to the finals. that will automatically sort and pair up players of similar levels for pvp and eliminate outside buffers.

or ... players on 1v1 pvp mode cannot be influenced by any other players whether buffing or tyring to 1shot low levels.

[Ash]

we need a pvp request system like the exchange request one .
Or
a more simple solution : remove orange cap

i agree with the whole sun drop rate idea correction

& i agree with removing the outside buffers

but i don't agree with removing scrolls & prem+ bonuses (if you want to be extra cash to be extra good in pvp it's you right ) that's how they separate hardcore players from new comers.

[BladeSkillz]

Paying money every month for bonus stats doesn't make you better at pvping, nor does it make your build any better. It just makes you stronger.

I don't think this additional strength should interfere with CAPE pvp. Cape pvp should be a battle of skill and creativity (who made they better build and who plays their character better should win) NOT who can spend the most money!


What's really bad is when players know they are spending $20-30 a month on premiums just so they can be "competitive" in pvp, and when they lose they lash out at their opponents because they are angry for losing after they paid so much money to be strong. They are not just losing to the person that beat them in pvp but to Joymax for paying money and giving themselves the delusion that they are "better" than other players (especially those that don't have premiums).

[endymion]

well in nowhere in the game says or implies that cape pvp is 1vs1....soo why are capes of different colours and that u cant attack the ppl with the same ones??? i think its players fault
1 for being jerks, 2 for not understanding the game and 3 greedy looking for an excuse to bot buy gold etc....from my point of view this games is all about team pve pvp war job...etc...and about euro they arent overpowered u just need a different strategy than spamming 1 2 1 1 2 all the time...soo dont be lazy and play the game ull see that is really balanced

[LillDev!l]

90 Cap pvp sucks.

- The purpose has moved from who can make the best build and make the best gear to who can find the most sun.
sun is a pain for those who dont get it, but at this cap its 100x better then @ 80 cap
- There is no such thing anymore as a fair 1 v 1 pvp match (thanks to outside buffers, avatars, premium +'s etc.)
agree on that, prem + and suits etc are such an unfair adventage
- Most players have no respect for each other; constantly double teaming/ganging up on players and trash talking.
which makes it fun to have a little war at dw south xD (mostly)
- Players are desperate and willing to pay large sums of money just to have as great an edge as possible (the mentality of the silkroad gaming community has declined and has become greedier as well)
im willing to pay enough "in game" gold for some items, think paying real money is just sad though.
- Wizards
depends on the person playing them, yesterday at DW south there was a 12 year old turk or so with a FF level 90 wizz and a +7 staff, 1 hitting all the low levels there (ofcource the guy had 2 bards and a few clerics and a warrior to buff him aswell)


Joymax should do something to make pvp BETTER.

Honestly, all those bonuses from honor, avatar, premiums, and even scrolls should not be counted when a player is wearing a cape. (only when wearing a pvp CAPE though)
The sun drop rate should be corrected.
There should be an official way to have a 1 v 1 (and every player should have a pvp record; wins:losses)
Max gold held by a player should be limited to 1B per ACCOUNT.Dont agree on that one, even if gold per acount would be limited to 1bil, sun prices wont drop or anything, you'll just need to have a few more acounts to store it ... only thing thats "unfair" here is those people buying bilions off gold


I think these things would make pvp more interesting and even MORE competitive.

What do you all think? Please no flaming. Share your ideas to make pvp better as well.

[NuclearSilo]

Most players have no respect for each other

That's it. If people act more mature, everything would be resolved

[foudre]

1v1 pvp is not fair towards euro builds, just like how party/buffers isn't fair towards Chinese builds.

It's hard to set up a valid pvp system, espeically with support builds like bard and clerics. Kills alone shouldn't constitute who the "best" pvper is anymore.

well if they have a win/loss record, they could easily make it a group win or a group loss

but a win loss system will be abused in no time simply for ranking, some one will get the bright idea to use 2 computers or multi client to relentlessly beat themselves having over 10k wins and no losses

[iGod]

Different pvp system would be easier to make though. In some other games you get a pop-up asking you if you want to pvp this and that person. If they put this in it would kill the (already dead) idea of cape wars.

A guy with full buffs asks you to pvp, you decline, simple as that, he cant force it. I'm sure some Venus people will be pretty pissed about this idea tho

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

didn't they already add a training arena in another SRO version? (Jangan)

There was a ring with some guard who you could pvp against and train your skills

[Corrupt]

Different pvp system would be easier to make though. In some other games you get a pop-up asking you if you want to pvp this and that person. If they put this in it would kill the (already dead) idea of cape wars.

A guy with full buffs asks you to pvp, you decline, simple as that, he cant force it. I'm sure some Venus people will be pretty pissed about this idea tho

Well that's sort of what separates SRO from other MMOs is if you get mad or don't like someone you can just freely kill them in cape or pk. I do think botting is a issue here too just because every kid that gets a hold of a higher lvl char well now you got you're "strong" immature child killing everyone insight spamming noob blah blah noob blah

That's it. If people act more mature, everything would be resolved

Basically

[MissLe2]

for now a simple solution is to pvp at a spot of your choosing
for example go to constan, go out the north gate, go north a little way and you can pvp there with your opponent, setting the rules you will do pvp
there are lots of spots you can pvp
people seem to go to pvp at the gates because they want to see who they can kill, and have others see them kill
if you get ganged up on, that shows you are strong
if every one leaves you alone you are super strong or no one cares about you
pvp is something you choose, if you dont like the way its going, make changes as far as you can, or dont do it, or play it as it is

[SilentShade]

Colosseum Battle arena! Located in Constantinople Colosseum (if anyone don't know what it is, its the big round building in north east of Constantinople) you can pick between 3 choices of fights.
1. Normal 1 vs 1 fights.
2. 2 vs 2 Group battles.
3. Battles for fun with random characters. (Would get random characters lvl 90 to fight each other with npc +3 armor)

* - berserker, scrolls wont be available to use and all pluses that premium gives wont give any advantage while in battle.
Level range between fights is going to be 5. (unless not much people participate to this tournament. When joining you will need to pay according to you level. 20-40 10k gold. 41-60 100k. 61-75 500k and 76-90 1.5kk)
36 players can participate in the tournament. Winner gets the amount of gold players paid when participated.

That's my wish which seem to be a good update

Best idea i read here, but they should make another arena for fun pvp, so everyone, who just wants to train or mess with only 1 specific player get a chance to pvp without participating in a whole tournament.

Different pvp system would be easier to make though. In some other games you get a pop-up asking you if you want to pvp this and that person. If they put this in it would kill the (already dead) idea of cape wars.

A guy with full buffs asks you to pvp, you decline, simple as that, he cant force it. I'm sure some Venus people will be pretty pissed about this idea tho

U got the point, this would impress pvp a lot, just because u can´t get as pissed off as now.
(And btw this wouldn´t piss off just some venus players )