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i've had a rogue/bard b4, but never played bard as a primary build.. from what i know, they have very fast attacks with almost no casting time, and damage close to a chinese nuker.
so is a full INT bard any good for hunting uniqes? could bards be any match for wizards since they cast attacks much faster?

Will they out damage a wizard? No. Nuke speed does not compensate for LC + higher damaging nukes + naturally higher weapon.

Agree Ted

try ksing lv85+ bard at ongs ....... theres not a char who can........

fckerr wrote:try ksing lv85+ bard at ongs ....... theres not a char who can........

Yeah but thats because of the area...Try using an area nuke on a unique with 10's of mobs surrounding him. Being a pure int you'd need an army of buffers to survive that (if you go for shaitan/LY ofcourse at 90).

I don't think it's possible since you'll only have 1 attack (and maybe the absolute dmg one) if you don't want to attract his spawns.

tedtwilliger wrote:Will they out damage a wizard? No. Nuke speed does not compensate for LC + higher damaging nukes + naturally higher weapon.

The skill damage is identical, only the percentages (and thereby also cast times) are slightly different.
Weapon damage and reinforcement are identical also.


The thing that really makes a wizard more powerful is his huge amount of skills, and naturally his ability to use Life Turnover.
Ofcourse you need to keep in mind that a bard has a higher survivability (speed, absorption, and anti-agro) then a wizard,
but neither is likely to (solo) survive a unique around his own level, nor is it meant to.

fckerr wrote:try ksing lv85+ bard at ongs ....... theres not a char who can........

pure int nuker with lion shouts.

Skayunor wrote:

tedtwilliger wrote:Will they out damage a wizard? No. Nuke speed does not compensate for LC + higher damaging nukes + naturally higher weapon.

The skill damage is identical, only the percentages (and thereby also cast times) are slightly different.

Spoiler!

Meteor: +439% 1436-1756
Blizzard: +325% 1436-1756
Earth Quake: +390% 1436-1756
Booming Wave: +368% 1436-1756

Weapon damage and reinforcement are identical also.

Spoiler!

Harp: 1907-2331 342.4%-418.5%
Staff: 1907-2331 342.4%-418.5%

The thing that really makes a wizard more powerful is his huge amount of skills, and naturally his ability to use Life Turnover.
Ofcourse you need to keep in mind that a bard has a higher survivability (speed, absorption, and anti-agro) then a wizard,
but neither is likely to (solo) survive a unique around his own level, nor is it meant to.

+1
but still a bard is better than chinese nukers as for uniqes?

Sk33t_L33t wrote:

fckerr wrote:try ksing lv85+ bard at ongs ....... theres not a char who can........

pure int nuker with lion shouts.

They dont kill the whole mob before the bard does...

Norain_ wrote:

Sk33t_L33t wrote:

fckerr wrote:try ksing lv85+ bard at ongs ....... theres not a char who can........

pure int nuker with lion shouts.

They dont kill the whole mob before the bard does...

exactly...
and a bard in a good party can get a shaitan kill

Booming Wave is an AOE attack that has a long cool down compared to a bard's other attacks. You don't click on a target, it basically hits anything within a certain radius of you. So for you to use it on Shaitan or Yarkan, you would have to be fairly close and you would hit a lot of his spawns. Sure it does a lot of damage, but personally, I didn't like it all too much. I would not recommend using it on uniques like LY and Shaitan.

Bards are decent at killing uniques. They don't do as much damage as a Chinese nuker, but they can get off nukes faster. Honestly, it would really depend on the situation for a Yarkan and Shaitan kill. Other uniques though should be a breeze.

PocketSunshine wrote:Booming Wave is an AOE attack that has a long cool down compared to a bard's other attacks. You don't click on a target, it basically hits anything within a certain radius of you. So for you to use it on Shaitan or Yarkan, you would have to be fairly close and you would hit a lot of his spawns. Sure it does a lot of damage, but personally, I didn't like it all too much. I would not recommend using it on uniques like LY and Shaitan.

Bards are decent at killing uniques. They don't do as much damage as a Chinese nuker, but they can get off nukes faster. Honestly, it would really depend on the situation for a Yarkan and Shaitan kill. Other uniques though should be a breeze.

bull****

I've gotten a Yarken kill, and an Isy kill, no luck with Shaitan yet, but honestly I haven't really tried yet. I'll post my screenies when I get home.

thechampion80 wrote:

PocketSunshine wrote:Booming Wave is an AOE attack that has a long cool down compared to a bard's other attacks. You don't click on a target, it basically hits anything within a certain radius of you. So for you to use it on Shaitan or Yarkan, you would have to be fairly close and you would hit a lot of his spawns. Sure it does a lot of damage, but personally, I didn't like it all too much. I would not recommend using it on uniques like LY and Shaitan.

Bards are decent at killing uniques. They don't do as much damage as a Chinese nuker, but they can get off nukes faster. Honestly, it would really depend on the situation for a Yarkan and Shaitan kill. Other uniques though should be a breeze.

bull****

c'mon.. bards DO as much damage as a chinese nuker. maybe a little higher sometimes
they're just an underrated class

fckerr wrote:try ksing lv85+ bard at ongs ....... theres not a char who can........

@ ongs Chinese pure int 85+ can, shouts owned pvling there.


wiz/bards are the kings of unique hunting.

Ragnorak wrote:

fckerr wrote:try ksing lv85+ bard at ongs ....... theres not a char who can........

@ ongs Chinese pure int 85+ can, shouts owned pvling there.

no it cant, try it.... bard even doesnt have to target the mob and his skills are mass....

wt do u bards use for mobs and pvping? ive just made a bard nd im a bit lost on skillz lol

lvl 40

They can easily outdamage the chinese chars(like nukers) but rogues & wizard are a problem.

There is a reason that joymax coder has put bard in the same category with cleric tree & not with wizards & warlocks .

wizard dmg >bard dmg > chinese nuker .
so if you seek damage go wizard & take bard as a sub for the buffs .

i know that every single player wants his very unique / one man army build that no one can beat...... but there isn't such build

one more thing bard doesn't have invisibility or life turn over .

Ash wrote:There is a reason that joymax coder has put bard in the same category with cleric tree & not with wizards & warlocks .

wizard dmg >bard dmg > chinese nuker .
so if you seek damage go wizard & take bard as a sub for the buffs .

i know that every single player wants his very unique / one man army build that no one can beat...... but there isn't such build

one more thing bard doesn't have invisibility or life turn over .

basically true.. its just that im a warrior, and i dont do like those noob lv 90s who go kill TG and are all "yay, im a unique killer".. so i was thinking about plvling a charecter to hunt uniqes and stuff. currently im lvling a wiz/lock but bards' attacks look sexier
back on topic, using AOE bard skills on uniqes IS really dangerous actually..

Want me to check and proove it?

another point is - premium plus. if you dont have it its about 10% less damage at all.

Skayunor wrote:

tedtwilliger wrote:Will they out damage a wizard? No. Nuke speed does not compensate for LC + higher damaging nukes + naturally higher weapon.

The skill damage is identical, only the percentages (and thereby also cast times) are slightly different.

Spoiler!

Meteor: +439% 1436-1756
Blizzard: +325% 1436-1756
Earth Quake: +390% 1436-1756
Booming Wave: +368% 1436-1756

The % plays no relevance upon casting speed. The % is a damage multiplier. Bard has one nuke with 368%, with a 6 second count down ( unless you include the previous version of this nuke ). Yet A wizard has fire bolt with a 325% (or 365?) with a 3 second cool down, earth nuke with a around 400%, blizzard with 325% and meteor with 439%. Considering the bards only attack with a short cool down (excluding absolute damage skills ) has a percentage thats around 200 ( not the exact figure, but close )

And i never knew that a harp has the same damage as a staff, my apologies there. I stand corrected.

About all the damage absorption? Granted they have more survivability i think its irrelevant to the original question he asked. I believe if neither ever got attacked ( good warriors ) than a wizard would win hands down. Hell im a bard and im saying this >_<

bard damage doesn't compare at all with wizard damage if it's a target that will last for a while.

i've got a harp and staff both at the exact same mag attack and reinf. 2456-2896 (61%) mag attack and 364.2-445.2% (61%) reinforce. When killing party mobs, (without turnover) It takes much less time killing a mob with a staff compared to with a harp.

I think the difference is that bard's mastery level doesn't actually boost up the attack damage, whereas wizard mastery does.

not to mention that wizards have the option to go into life turnover.

and although it is faster to kill and ks with bard at ongs, I just go into turnover at ongs and regular hit the ongs... save a lot of mp everything other than party giants. (i use actual skills on those) I switch over to bard attacks when someone comes and decides to try KSing me tho ^^

The thing is that for every level in Wizard mastery, you get 1% damage increase, while at Bard, you have only passive skills you need to update to gain some % of damage increase.
Note: Wizard has naturally by its mastery 1%/level damage increase, and passives.

Nitro wrote:The thing is that for every level in Wizard mastery, you get 1% damage increase, while at Bard, you have only passive skills you need to update to gain some % of damage increase.
Note: Wizard has naturally by its mastery 1%/level damage increase, and passives.

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i have never noticed that before (wiz & locks get extra dmg % every level )

& that actually makes sense . since these builds are supposed to be damage dealers not like buffing builds

warlocks aren't exactly damage dealing builds...
and just ask guardia about the unique hunting stuff

appart from shaiten or yarkan. if your lvl 76+ it doesnt matter if you a wizzard or a blader.

its all about finding the uniques first.

however usually the "high lvl unique hunters" just camp out every spot making whatever build hard even if you are a wizzard.
yarkan gets killed by wizzards ONLY if they are fully buffed by a cleric otherwiise with LT they just drop like a sh1t brick. and shaiten? wizzards kill shaiten all the time! i dont know how they take those spawns, probably cleric ressing them every 2 seconds. but xbows do hella well.

No, Bards cant outdmg wizards. It's a support build. Bards made pt members stronger / better with their dance / tambours. If you want a build for unique hunting, dont take bard. But if you want a build that can give ur party a better chance to get unique kills, get bard.

For more info regarding bards, check out Bard's Explained.

I had a bard in Ksro and I've killed shaitan before. All I would do is my weird chord, horror chord, absolute damage and even booming cord if not alot of mobs were on me. BUT I would remove agro from myself and start all over. Bard with cleric as sub removes the whole suvivability issue combined with tambour.

HawaiianMix wrote:I had a bard in Ksro and I've killed shaitan before. All I would do is my weird chord, horror chord, absolute damage and even booming cord if not alot of mobs were on me. BUT I would remove agro from myself and start all over. Bard with cleric as sub removes the whole suvivability issue combined with tambour.

i'm not saying it's not doable... but if you're up against someone else that is a wizard... u'd lose.