how about a hybird blader?

[[SD]Master_Wong]

eww ppl still defending hybrids after 2 years of hard facts that they blow chunks.

hey hey now, int hyrbids....i dont support the str ones they do blow chunks, but dont put down all hybrids

[Disconn3cted]

eww ppl still defending hybrids after 2 years of hard facts that they blow chunks.

i haven't seen any real evidence that they suck the only build i have seen actually suck to the point that items could help it was ice blader and i thought that bug in your sig was real lmao

[Pred]

eww ppl still defending hybrids after 2 years of hard facts that they blow chunks.

hey hey now, int hyrbids....i dont support the str ones they do blow chunks, but dont put down all hybrids

Just supporting Bladers here wongie

[Nenhunter]

what ping said about the higher lvl caps and mastery limits does seem feasible. However, who here can honestly say they will play 140 cap if the xp curve continues to grow at the current formula... most will probaly play to 100...maybe, but pass that with the current xp gain and whatnot with a measily 20% exp bonus event? not likely.

by the time you reach the lvl to go into SRO heaven, u'll most like be in heaven urself

[Aiyas]

what ping said about the higher lvl caps and mastery limits does seem feasible. However, who here can honestly say they will play 140 cap if the xp curve continues to grow at the current formula... most will probaly play to 100...maybe, but pass that with the current xp gain and whatnot with a measily 20% exp bonus event? not likely.

by the time you reach the lvl to go into SRO heaven, u'll most like be in heaven urself

lol
You're probably right.

[MortaLRecoN]

Bladers should TANK, thats what they do, they are not built for killing.
Making a hybrid blader is a mistake.
Hybrids work good only with INT i guess.

.... Hybrid Str Bows = Own
Hybrid Str Glaive = Own
Hybrid Str Blade = Sux

[AnemuS]

ok lol, prepare for long answer to those ignorant ppl,

well first off all:
ive never talked or mentioned ur mom in this topic, or anywhere else, please prevent ur self from doing so too... and no my mom, doesnt even know that i play this game, and if ur mom tells u about the future in game so u r in big problem, and she is too(cause then i dont know where did u take this shit, maybe from ur own experience?)...

well now ON TOPIC

ping_lo ur trying to catch me on every word i said, what i was trying to do, is just to tell him that it was a bad example, maybe i should say to pure int go 3 weapon trees at 100cap? without imbue cause its useless? now try understanding by urself before telling me that...
and no i dont even know/care about d2a at all why uve started talking about him at all, it was a bit offtopic isnt it?

INT hybrids , doesnt meant trees hybrids, i understand that FIRE would help alot in pvp, since it would give 30% damage at new caps, but lol, i am not even using it , and doing great in pvp for now , if ill lose this 30% PHY damage , it wouldnt hurt me much anyways, i am not a char who rellys on hes CRITS, of cource it would help a lot, but possible to live without it.

why u even started talking about 150cap? i mean lol we get cap each year, i dont even know how much will i stay in game, for now i enjoy my char, and for next 2 caps, i am pretty sure everything gonna be allright, and still lol not even thinking on getting up there, its just about dreaming...

2Pred again thx for Good luck, and believe me i have fun... and no i dont build my char for PVM either, it was meant for PVP, if i wanted a PVM char i would go pure int...

and again no need to catch me on every word, just try understanding a bit, if no ill explain little more, i know my english isnt that good so there maybe mistakes and so on.. :p

[LoveIsDead]

LoveIsDead wrote:
Rolf, windgod's build its not godlike but saying that you tank him at 5x is the biggest bullshit ever, i saw him kill a lvl77 glavier pretty easily yesterday, he has a pretty good build, his kds were doing like 6.5k do the glavier n his crits are decent


Wait wait......he is doing that with sun? Rotflmao you do realize that I was doing that to 77+ at lvl 69 when a friend loaned me his sun blade right. lol I can do that now at 74 with 69 skills with my +5 72. Lol if what you say is true then all the "robo" time he spent on the char is a waste.

nope he was doing that with his +7 blade. Yea know that hes an afk grinder but even so i still think he has a nice build, i might be wrong =p From what i've seen his build looks good

[Disconn3cted]

ok lol, prepare for long answer to those ignorant ppl,

well first off all:
ive never talked or mentioned ur mom in this topic, or anywhere else, please prevent ur self from doing so too... and no my mom, doesnt even know that i play this game, and if ur mom tells u about the future in game so u r in big problem, and she is too(cause then i dont know where did u take this shit, maybe from ur own experience?)...

well now ON TOPIC

ping_lo ur trying to catch me on every word i said, what i was trying to do, is just to tell him that it was a bad example, maybe i should say to pure int go 3 weapon trees at 100cap? without imbue cause its useless? now try understanding by urself before telling me that...
and no i dont even know/care about d2a at all why uve started talking about him at all, it was a bit offtopic isnt it?

INT hybrids , doesnt meant trees hybrids, i understand that FIRE would help alot in pvp, since it would give 30% damage at new caps, but lol, i am not even using it , and doing great in pvp for now , if ill lose this 30% PHY damage , it wouldnt hurt me much anyways, i am not a char who rellys on hes CRITS, of cource it would help a lot, but possible to live without it.

why u even started talking about 150cap? i mean lol we get cap each year, i dont even know how much will i stay in game, for now i enjoy my char, and for next 2 caps, i am pretty sure everything gonna be allright, and still lol not even thinking on getting up there, its just about dreaming...

2Pred again thx for Good luck, and believe me i have fun... and no i dont build my char for PVM either, it was meant for PVP, if i wanted a PVM char i would go pure int...

and again no need to catch me on every word, just try understanding a bit, if no ill explain little more, i know my english isnt that good so there maybe mistakes and so on.. :p

i agree with this i might just drop fire but maybe i wont get to 100 at all i dont play that much and i dont bot so....

[LoveIsDead]

A little off topic:

To all the ppl saying that immunity this, fire imbue that, phy dmg bla bla bla... Have you actualy played a build with no fire? Have you ever tested the dmg difference the refered buffs on n off? Immunity is just overrated, no1 uses ice, and im not talking about imbues, even the ones that have cold tree dont even use frost nova at pvp. Second since when does 100 mag defense matters to a pure int? I've seen several good ints in armor tanking ints in garms. N that so caled big difference in dmg from light to fire imbue? I've had both imbues n seriously the difference in dmg is ridiculously low, you barrely notice it. N why the hell will pure ints be forced to drop weap masteries at 90 n 100 cap? Lit 90 / bich 90 / cold 90 / 30 heuk just for some low hp boost =p n lit 100 / bich 100 / cold 100 i dont see any need to dlvl my weap mastery, so stop trying to predict the future based on assumptions. Also all this thing that 4 masteries is the wrong way to go, lol if you can, then why not? Get all you can, n make the best out of your build.

K back on topic

Who said hybrids are crap? There are lots of strong hybrid chars arround, even str hybrids, actualy most strs that have been playing from the 60 cap to now have some int on them n still they do pretty well, the thing with hybrid is that you have to build them well or they will suck, you need good gear more then pure builds n you need to be farmed, but once you achieve that you will have a really good char, i've played a int hybrid s/s for quite a long time n i never regret going hybrid (i mean Satch from xian) n after i got the sun sword things got even better, i could easily tank the sun glaviers n kill them. As for str hybrids there are not many arround (by str hybrids i mean planed hybrid, not some str build with like 5 or 10 int points) dunno if its coz they really suck or its coz ppl say they suck so no1 wants to make one, but if i am correct yoxoyo from xian is hybrid n he has always been one of the strongest archers on the server

[TwelveEleven]

Yeah ok and I should take advice from a level 38 character?

I am a level 80 blader. Farmed. Pure STR.

If you dont want to listen to me than dont.

1:1 Blader build (any build) is a Joke. Windbot was originally a spear user.

I did shitty damage why? because the weapon is one hand and it's low. Which is why I have a SoSun blade. I KS Nukers. How's that feel? I have no 4 second casting delay and I can normal critical a Niya Hunter for 12k one shot with my sword dance or 2 hit w/ demon cut blade.

So please, don't talk about something that you dont own.

I have had plenty of Hybrid bladers in Infensus. I have trained many of them. In wars or Jobbing they are the first to die.

lvl 38 ?, I play with my friends blader lvl 74 all the time...I didn't put it into my sig because it's not my. So don't act like god in the game because your lvl 80.

You ks a nuker with your blade that is sosun, so ? If the nuker also had a sosun weapon it would ks you so hard you didn't even have to walk to the mob.

If you realy think a hybrid blader would be a good idea go on and make one.

Bladers = Heavy Tanker ( not dmg dealers, they CAN do a lot of dmg but they are meant to tank )

Glaviers = Damage/ Tanker

tank what?
there are no dungeons, or raids in SRO
normal players are smart enough to go after ints in guildwar. whats there to tank?

Euro has skills that make the players focus their attacks on themselves..

[AnemuS]

ok here is a little example for ur thinking...

its war, of cource in war u expect many people to attack you, if they are same geared like u, u wont be able to face 2 of them, so really what do u want to tank out there? O_o
in war it will be more like ranger attacks ,

and btw lol ive played too much of MMOS i dont need to play more of them, believe me its more than enough O_o

[poehalcho]

the strongest build is the one you have most fun with. because if u don't fun in it you have no motivation and you play bad. i have a hybrid int spear and i ahve most fun with it so i play pretty good overall. while i have a str blader and he totally sux. maybe cuz i have an overall hate agianst bladwe because of their weak attack. at euro i have most fun with a bard/cleric then a rogue/warrior

[Fly]

if joymax raised imbue damage from 100% to 200%, a str hybrid would be good. the way its set up atm. if you go hybrid on a str char, you lose hp and crit but you gain nothing at all. except mp viva la mp?

[Pred]

I think you should read the tittle of the topic again.
It's Hybrid Blader.

Who the hell makes an INT hybrid blader?

Of course it's a STR HYBRID.

Comparing your Spear to a blade is like comparing a apple to an orange.

And btw, plenty of people will be using ice. Mainly INTs for Snow Shield and physical defense. They could farm every imbue if they wanted too. Who ever said you are limited to using 1 imbue?

Frozen status will cancel your attack. INT hybrid spear - ok... there goes your 4 second nuke. The time it takes for you to eat a pill depending on your status effect duration is the exact time it takes for you to die. Your HP is probably 10-12k. You will die fairly quick. Most likely even 1 shotted from a sun bow user.

[Stress]

STR hybrid glaive vs. pure STR glaive.
Let me prove:
(Hypothetical values)
Pure STR mars = 5k
STR hybrid mars = 6k

Pure STR mars crit = 10k
STR hybrid mars crit = 8k.

Can the pure STR handle 6k? Yes. Can STR hybrid handle 5k? Yes, it can do it aswell.

Can pure STR handle 8k mars crit? With ease
Can hyb STR handle 10k mars crits? I don't think so.



See? Do you get my point?

[IceCrash]

eww ppl still defending hybrids after 2 years of hard facts that they blow chunks.

hey hey now, int hyrbids....i dont support the str ones they do blow chunks, but dont put down all hybrids

lol, if ur refering to the int hybrids then all i can say is lol
haha

[NuclearSilo]

STR hybrid glaive vs. pure STR glaive.
Let me prove:
(Hypothetical values)
Pure STR mars = 5k
STR hybrid mars = 6k

Pure STR mars crit = 10k
STR hybrid mars crit = 8k.

Can the pure STR handle 6k? Yes. Can STR hybrid handle 5k? Yes, it can do it aswell.

Can pure STR handle 8k mars crit? With ease
Can hyb STR handle 10k mars crits? I don't think so.

U are thinking 100% of your hit is crit, right?

See? Do you get my point?

[ping_lo]

ping_lo ur trying to catch me on every word i said, what i was trying to do, is just to tell him that it was a bad example, maybe i should say to pure int go 3 weapon trees at 100cap? without imbue cause its useless? now try understanding by urself before telling me that...

I guess you just don't understand the example or what he is getting at. Because it was a really good and obvious example.

and no i dont even know/care about d2a at all why uve started talking about him at all, it was a bit offtopic isnt it?

Because you are talking like pred has an ego issue. But it ain't the case. He knows what he is talking about. And he is going about trying to explain it while not being really insulting about it. You don't agree with him and start making accusations etc. If it is off topic I am just following your lead.

INT hybrids , doesnt meant trees hybrids, i understand that FIRE would help alot in pvp, since it would give 30% damage at new caps, but lol, i am not even using it , and doing great in pvp for now , if ill lose this 30% PHY damage , it wouldnt hurt me much anyways, i am not a char who rellys on hes CRITS, of cource it would help a lot, but possible to live without it.

And I will laugh when some blader freezes you and takes their time cutting you to ribbons. It is not all about damage.

why u even started talking about 150cap? i mean lol we get cap each year, i dont even know how much will i stay in game, for now i enjoy my char, and for next 2 caps, i am pretty sure everything gonna be allright, and still lol not even thinking on getting up there, its just about dreaming...

Hmmmm why not. I mean think about it. Oh wait. =P At any rate I think ksro went 90-100 in less than a year. Which means we might see that here. And it might even accelerate. And I have been at this game 2 years more or less already. What's another year or two?

[ping_lo]

nope he was doing that with his +7 blade. Yea know that hes an afk grinder but even so i still think he has a nice build, i might be wrong =p From what i've seen his build looks good

Oh ok that sounds a bit more reasonable. And about the nice build part. I think the only nice part about it is the lvl 80 fully farmed part. Apart from that it is not that nice. And having seen pred's build as well. Hmmmmm I think he has nicer. If you got him and Wind in the same spot in identical gear Wind would still not fare very well.

[ping_lo]

A little off topic:

To all the ppl saying that immunity this, fire imbue that, phy dmg bla bla bla... Have you actualy played a build with no fire? Have you ever tested the dmg difference the refered buffs on n off? Immunity is just overrated, no1 uses ice, and im not talking about imbues, even the ones that have cold tree dont even use frost nova at pvp.

And why is that? Oh wait everyone is immune atm! Just wait. When people start running out of masteries and have to delvl things all those loosing fire will loose immunity. And it will start to be worth it to use ice again. And then you will not say immunity is over rated. Hell if joymax made one modification right now it would bring a lot more balance to the game. Fire Shield should only work so long as the shield is out. If it did work like that. Well then the only ppl that would be immune are bladers or s/s nukers. Well that and cowards running away with shield out.

Second since when does 100 mag defense matters to a pure int? I've seen several good ints in armor tanking ints in garms. N that so caled big difference in dmg from light to fire imbue? I've had both imbues n seriously the difference in dmg is ridiculously low, you barrely notice it.

It is more about immunity than mag defense or imbue damage. Int's will not be able to run very far when they are frozen etc. And they may not be able to pot fast enough to counter the attackers damage plus poison or burn status.

N why the hell will pure ints be forced to drop weap masteries at 90 n 100 cap? Lit 90 / bich 90 / cold 90 / 30 heuk just for some low hp boost =p n lit 100 / bich 100 / cold 100 i dont see any need to dlvl my weap mastery, so stop trying to predict the future based on assumptions.

Status effect......you will feel it. Alot.

Also all this thing that 4 masteries is the wrong way to go, lol if you can, then why not? Get all you can, n make the best out of your build.

If you need the 4 masteries to be effective then you yourself have already posted some info that points out the difficulty such players will have.

Who said hybrids are crap? There are lots of strong hybrid chars arround, even str hybrids, actualy most strs that have been playing from the 60 cap to now have some int on them n still they do pretty well, the thing with hybrid is that you have to build them well or they will suck, you need good gear more then pure builds n you need to be farmed, but once you achieve that you will have a really good char, i've played a int hybrid s/s for quite a long time n i never regret going hybrid (i mean Satch from xian) n after i got the sun sword things got even better, i could easily tank the sun glaviers n kill them. As for str hybrids there are not many arround (by str hybrids i mean planed hybrid, not some str build with like 5 or 10 int points) dunno if its coz they really suck or its coz ppl say they suck so no1 wants to make one, but if i am correct yoxoyo from xian is hybrid n he has always been one of the strongest archers on the server

It is not that they are crap right now per say. I don't think anyone is claiming that at this very moment they are crap builds. The claim is that as the game progresses though they will get progressively weaker. It is just simple logic. And yeah I remember satch. Guild mate and I ran trades with you back in the day when you were in your 40's/50's. Then something happened and at least to us the char seemed to become a jerk not to long after that.

[Fly]

STR hybrid glaive vs. pure STR glaive.
Let me prove:
(Hypothetical values)
Pure STR mars = 5k
STR hybrid mars = 6k

Pure STR mars crit = 10k
STR hybrid mars crit = 8k.

Can the pure STR handle 6k? Yes. Can STR hybrid handle 5k? Yes, it can do it aswell.

Can pure STR handle 8k mars crit? With ease
Can hyb STR handle 10k mars crits? I don't think so.



See? Do you get my point?

raiseing a 100% imbue damage attack and lowering a 280% mars attack makes your damage go up? nope.

the pure will hit 5k. the hybrid will hit 4k. the pure will crit for 10k. the hybrid will crit for 6.5k.

i dont know why anyone thinks raising int makes your str damage go up... thats gotta be the dumbest assumption anyone in silkroad has ever made. i see it in every single hybrid post. its WRONG!

the most simple damage formula: (attack% * phy ballance) + (imbue% * magical ballance)

Str: (280% mars * 97) + (100% imbue * 37)

tell me. raiseing the 37 and lowering the 97 will make ur damage go up?
if anyone says yes. ill give them a cookie. i got 2 cookies. u can have 1. then we will both end up with 4 cookies each math ftl

[Disconn3cted]

one thing you dont seem to have noticed is hybrid is not the only build that will drop fire PURE INT IS MORE LIKELY TO DROP IT THEN HYBRID and not having a frozen pure int will suck a lot more than having a frozen hybrid

the reason dropping fire is hard for hybrid is because of the magic defense buff (which is made up for by snow shield) and the phy damage buff (which some dont need because they are very heavy int)

i suppose you could say a pure int would drop weapon but that would just be stupid pure int without knockdown or hp passive = dead pure int and pure int spear without ghost spear wont be able to kill anyway because of the time between the nukes

at 100 cap mos hybrid int will be
100 light
100 ice
100 weapon

pure int will either be
100ice
100 light
100 fire
or
100 ice
100 light
100 weapon

either it will result in a very vulerable pure int the hybrid will have less of this problem at 100 cap is the time for pure str to shine

[Stress]

STR hybrid glaive vs. pure STR glaive.
Let me prove:
(Hypothetical values)
Pure STR mars = 5k
STR hybrid mars = 6k

Pure STR mars crit = 10k
STR hybrid mars crit = 8k.

Can the pure STR handle 6k? Yes. Can STR hybrid handle 5k? Yes, it can do it aswell.

Can pure STR handle 8k mars crit? With ease
Can hyb STR handle 10k mars crits? I don't think so.



See? Do you get my point?

raiseing a 100% imbue damage attack and lowering a 280% mars attack makes your damage go up? nope.

the pure will hit 5k. the hybrid will hit 4k. the pure will crit for 10k. the hybrid will crit for 6.5k.

i dont know why anyone thinks raising int makes your str damage go up... thats gotta be the dumbest assumption anyone in silkroad has ever made. i see it in every single hybrid post. its WRONG!

the most simple damage formula: (attack% * phy ballance) + (imbue% * magical ballance)

Str: (280% mars * 97) + (100% imbue * 37)

tell me. raiseing the 37 and lowering the 97 will make ur damage go up?
if anyone says yes. ill give them a cookie. i got 2 cookies. u can have 1. then we will both end up with 4 cookies each math ftl

There was no need for all the irony in the post. Thank you for explaining these things to me. They are partially new to me, to be honest. And there is no reason for me to be ashamed of that.

Thanks for the cookie. But if you have two cookies and give me one, you remain with one yourself.

[Fly]

lol the irony was not at you. it was at the hybrid fan club. they really need to learn basic math. ur post was on the right direction, just based off math done by someone before you who had it all wrong.

cookie monster gave me 2 more. mwahaha

edit: cookie monster = nightbloom. shhh dont tell her i said that.

[Stress]

Does she cook?

[LoveIsDead]

And yeah I remember satch. Guild mate and I ran trades with you back in the day when you were in your 40's/50's. Then something happened and at least to us the char seemed to become a jerk not to long after that. Razz

Thats coz satch had 3 owners, the on your talking about tha quited at 65, me 65 ~ 72, n the last one to whom i gave the char when i first quited silkroad, and yes he did became a jerk n it got alot worse when he got his sun sword he started to think he was god, n then after he sold the sun sword he got hacked n the hacker is even worse then him

[Sylhana]

I think you should read the tittle of the topic again.
It's Hybrid Blader.

Who the hell makes an INT hybrid blader?

Well... I did <.<




stats pre-euro update, 9 gap

[Pred]

gratz on a bad weapon choice.

[Sylhana]

gratz on a bad weapon choice.

Yeah I know. A sosun blade drop was the best I had. Better than my conventional 72+7 sword.