The real truth about disjointing SOS and Blues (and my set)

reader · Post by **reader** » Mon May 07, 2007 2:06 am

desolator144 wrote:Well I disjointed 3 lvl 70+ items, one of which was a chest (closest to a wep) and got no stones so I'm gonna have to disagree.

you know if you actually read any of the posts in this thread, everyone said to disjoint 8D or 7D WEAPONS! not chests. weapons give you the highest chance of getting a stone. WEAPONS.

William-CL · Post by **William-CL** » Mon May 07, 2007 10:01 am

i've never disjointed a blue itm, cause i sell all off em, so heres a quick Q. If my equipment had...le's say lucky steady and str on it. When i disjoint it, I could get 1 stone of 1 of those? What about immortal and asral?

4-n-zics · Post by **4-n-zics** » Mon May 07, 2007 12:18 pm

Blackdragon6 wrote:i've never disjointed a blue itm, cause i sell all off em, so heres a quick Q. If my equipment had...le's say lucky steady and str on it. When i disjoint it, I could get 1 stone of 1 of those? What about immortal and asral?

NO.. as it has been said many times before - It is ALL random.

Carnophage · Post by **Carnophage** » Mon May 07, 2007 2:13 pm

Astral and immortal is only available in item mall. :cry:

desolator144 · Post by **desolator144** » Mon May 07, 2007 3:32 pm

Carnophage wrote:Astral and immortal is only available in item mall.

If I remember correctly, for a couple days they were tradeable or stallable or monsters dropped them or something like that. Maybe it was some other glitch...I don't remember. I know they did put out elements about a week before tablets started dropping though lol.

poehalcho · Post by **poehalcho** » Mon May 07, 2007 3:48 pm

can i have that great Halberd?

Carnophage · Post by **Carnophage** » Mon May 07, 2007 3:53 pm

desolator144 wrote:
Carnophage wrote:Astral and immortal is only available in item mall.

If I remember correctly, for a couple days they were tradeable or stallable or monsters dropped them or something like that. Maybe it was some other glitch...I don't remember. I know they did put out elements about a week before tablets started dropping though lol.

Yes the first 1 or 2 weeks or so item mall items were stallable and yes when they launched the update with stone alchemy they forgot to implement the tablets.

EllisD · Post by **EllisD** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:06 pm

desolator144 wrote:
I can tell you that I have gotten at least 1 stone from every 8D weapon I have disjointed except once

Well I disjointed 3 lvl 70+ items, one of which was a chest (closest to a wep) and got no stones so I'm gonna have to disagree. Hey, if I disjoint a SOSun +9 lvl 78 item (do they exist?) will I get a magic unicorn that flies? What about when I kill the Domo-Kun unique in JSRO? lol. The best myth you said is that you can make your money back on 8th degree elements. I've had water 8, apparently the one with the highest demand, in my stall for 2 days at 1.5 mil each, which is actually not making a profit, and nobody bought any at all yet. As soon as I get some more $, I'll lvl my guild then get more money and buy 5 8D weapons with high blues and disjoint them to show how ridiculous those all but once odds are

Again, just because you cant do it, dosnt mean it cant be done. Stop thinking you are the centre of the universe and that if you cant do it then it cant be done. Thats BS.

Running outta ways to tell people who obviously disjoint 8D items more than you that they are lying and dont get stones at all? Really man, give it up.

And yes, if i buy a 72 weapon for 2mil and break it, it gives you almost 700-900 of 2 8th degree elements, and about the same of the 7d. Selling the 8d elements for 1k each (which always sell in my stall) i would be what, 200k short of my initial investment, but then you npc the 7th degree ones (cause really, they are useless) and you almost break even, but THEN, if you get a stone, that equals profit.

btw, i gambled and bought a 5mil 72 sword with 3 blues yesterday, broke it and got 2 lucky 8 stones and they sold overnight for 7mil each. Plus the elements i got and the 20% meditation stone, thats over 10mil profit.

Next time you do a little experiment, actually read what we have said here and get weapons (64 with a few blues, 68 with a blue or 2, or 72 weapons white or with a few blues) and since your so uber rich like you keep gloating about, buy 50mil worth or something. The only armor that i more than often get stones from are parts from the last set (lvl 72-77) but i never shop for them, i only break the armor when its a drop. Which reminds me, i also got a pair of 76 pants with 3 blues as a drop the other day, got 2 lucky 8 stones from those as well.

Basically, i will say it again, you have no friggin clue because you havent experimented with it enough.

EllisD · Post by **EllisD** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:11 pm

Carnophage wrote:
desolator144 wrote:
Carnophage wrote:Astral and immortal is only available in item mall.

If I remember correctly, for a couple days they were tradeable or stallable or monsters dropped them or something like that. Maybe it was some other glitch...I don't remember. I know they did put out elements about a week before tablets started dropping though lol.

Yes the first 1 or 2 weeks or so item mall items were stallable and yes when they launched the update with stone alchemy they forgot to implement the tablets.

For the first little while, everything from the item mall was tradeable, but astral, lucky, and immortal tabs never dropped. I dunno what you were trying to get at there...

desolator144 · Post by **desolator144** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:28 pm

btw, i gambled and bought a 5mil 72 sword with 3 blues yesterday, broke it and got 2 lucky 8 stones and they sold overnight for 7mil each. Plus the elements i got and the 20% meditation stone, thats over 10mil profit.

if it was that easy, wouldn't everyone do it and everyone be rich? And before you even answer, no because if supply of 8D stones, especially lucky, goes up then price goes down so everyone wouldn't be rich. So then why hasn't that happened? And why don't ppl buy 7D elements? 7D ppl need stones too!

EllisD · Post by **EllisD** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:34 pm

desolator144 wrote:
btw, i gambled and bought a 5mil 72 sword with 3 blues yesterday, broke it and got 2 lucky 8 stones and they sold overnight for 7mil each. Plus the elements i got and the 20% meditation stone, thats over 10mil profit.

if it was that easy, wouldn't everyone do it and everyone be rich? And before you even answer, no because if supply of 8D stones, especially lucky, goes up then price goes down so everyone wouldn't be rich. So then why hasn't that happened? And why don't ppl buy 7D elements? 7D ppl need stones too!

Why dosnt everyone go to the casino and win a few double or nothing hands to become rich? Because its a gamble that most people cant afford to lose.

The supply of 8D lucky stones has gone up, and prices have gone down. I remember months ago, lucky stones were going for over 10mil, sometimes up to 15mil each, now they are 7mil. Again, you have no clue.

Sure "7D people" need stones too, but have a look at how many 7d elements are used and for what stones they are used for. You get waaay more than enough via grinding \ breaking drops that you dont need to buy them near as much as some of the other levels. So instead of having more than a 5k stack, i just npc them.

desolator144 · Post by **desolator144** » Mon May 07, 2007 5:19 pm

Why dosnt everyone go to the casino and win a few double or nothing hands to become rich? Because its a gamble that most people cant afford to lose.

wasn't it you that said every single 8D weapons you've ever disjointed has given you one or more stones except one? I think everyone would go to a casino with those odds

EllisD · Post by **EllisD** » Mon May 07, 2007 5:24 pm

desolator144 wrote:
Why dosnt everyone go to the casino and win a few double or nothing hands to become rich? Because its a gamble that most people cant afford to lose.

wasn't it you that said every single 8D weapons you've ever disjointed has given you one or more stones except one? I think everyone would go to a casino with those odds

No it wasnt, try reading

4-n-zics wrote:I can tell you that I have gotten at least 1 stone from every 8D weapon I have disjointed except once and I only got 4 stacks of elements.

Your just barely keeping your head above water here dude. Do you have anything else to contribute? Or have you seen its time to give up?

Where is that screenie already :roll:

4-n-zics · Post by **4-n-zics** » Mon May 07, 2007 5:56 pm

desolator144 wrote:
Why dosnt everyone go to the casino and win a few double or nothing hands to become rich? Because its a gamble that most people cant afford to lose.

wasn't it you that said every single 8D weapons you've ever disjointed has given you one or more stones except one? I think everyone would go to a casino with those odds

Nope... that was me...

EllisD wrote:
desolator144 wrote:
Why dosnt everyone go to the casino and win a few double or nothing hands to become rich? Because its a gamble that most people cant afford to lose.

wasn't it you that said every single 8D weapons you've ever disjointed has given you one or more stones except one? I think everyone would go to a casino with those odds

No it wasnt, try reading

4-n-zics wrote:I can tell you that I have gotten at least 1 stone from every 8D weapon I have disjointed except once and I only got 4 stacks of elements.

Your just barely keeping your head above water here dude. Do you have anything else to contribute? Or have you seen its time to give up?

Where is that screenie already

Wait... I don't get it. You defend getting several 8D Lucky and other stones yourself, but you don't believe when it just so happens that someone else has the same luck. I don't quite get whos side you are on. I don't waste my time (actually, it has never crossed my mind to) take screen shots of my disjointing weapons. Should I take screen shots and make videos of my breaking down the mob drops to show you that I do, in fact, get elements.

Also, it is quite possible that some of us have careers that we have to tend to. Take a look at my user name. Think of it as a personalized license plate. That is what my career is. If you are still not sure..... 4-n-zics = forensics (I am a Crime Scene Investigator). I try to post when I am at the office, but being a CSI, I tend to be out in the field working crime scenes and not at my desk browsing the forums.

Now, if you were directing that comment/question of yours to someone else (i.e. desolator144) I apologize.

EllisD · Post by **EllisD** » Mon May 07, 2007 6:03 pm

4-n-zics wrote:
desolator144 wrote:
Why dosnt everyone go to the casino and win a few double or nothing hands to become rich? Because its a gamble that most people cant afford to lose.

wasn't it you that said every single 8D weapons you've ever disjointed has given you one or more stones except one? I think everyone would go to a casino with those odds

Nope... that was me...

EllisD wrote:
desolator144 wrote:
Why dosnt everyone go to the casino and win a few double or nothing hands to become rich? Because its a gamble that most people cant afford to lose.

wasn't it you that said every single 8D weapons you've ever disjointed has given you one or more stones except one? I think everyone would go to a casino with those odds

No it wasnt, try reading

4-n-zics wrote:I can tell you that I have gotten at least 1 stone from every 8D weapon I have disjointed except once and I only got 4 stacks of elements.

Your just barely keeping your head above water here dude. Do you have anything else to contribute? Or have you seen its time to give up?

Where is that screenie already

Wait... I don't get it. You defend getting several 8D Lucky and other stones yourself, but you don't believe when it just so happens that someone else has the same luck. I don't quite get whos side you are on. I don't waste my time (actually, it has never crossed my mind to) take screen shots of my disjointing weapons. Should I take screen shots and make videos of my breaking down the mob drops to show you that I do, in fact, get elements.

Also, it is quite possible that some of us have careers that we have to tend to. Take a look at my user name. Think of it as a personalized license plate. That is what my career is. If you are still not sure..... 4-n-zics = forensics (I am a Crime Scene Investigator). I try to post when I am at the office, but being a CSI, I tend to be out in the field working crime scenes and not at my desk browsing the forums.

Now, if you were directing that comment/question of yours to someone else (i.e. desolator144) I apologize.

Sorry if there was confusion. I was merely stating that you were the one that said it, but everything in my post was towards desolator.

This all started because he said there were lucky tablets. We asked for screenshots, and didnt get them. He goes off asking us to proove things he hasnt seen before (5% and 35% stones) which were prooven. HE is barely keeping his head above water trying to veer away from the original statement that lucky tabs DO exist. I still want that screenshot

4-n-zics · Post by **4-n-zics** » Tue May 08, 2007 1:26 am

Maybe this will make desolator (and the other non believers) a bit more happy. I just bought a 68 blade with 2 blues and this is what I got when I disjointed it:

desolator144 · Post by **desolator144** » Tue May 08, 2007 4:18 am

This all started because he said there were lucky tablets. We asked for screenshots, and didnt get them

This has got to be the third time I posted this. THEY DID EXIST. THERE ARE AT LEAST 8 WITNESSES IN GAME AND ON HERE SAYING THEY SAW ONE. They're all gone now because who the hell would not make one into a stone after all this time?!?! None exist now to be screenshotted so shut the **** up about that. You sound like a goddam parrot saying it over and over. You'd have to be completely insane to still insist they don't exist after 8 people independently of each other confirmed they saw one at some point with no motiviation to lie. I bet I could post a screenshot of a GM telling me they did exist and you'd still be squaking "screenshot! screenshot!" You know you're wrong and probably wouldn't admit it if I came to your stupid server and gave you one (if there were any left). Holy shit, get a Farking clue, kid.
A whole lot of good a screenshot would do me anyway. You all know I'm pretty good with Photoshop. Here's what's happen if I posted one anyway whether it was real or not. Check out this amazing shot of a 13D lucky tablet in my inventory, wow! The only thing real about that photo is that I'm 1/4 dutch lol

lovemyg35 · Post by **lovemyg35** » Tue May 08, 2007 7:15 am

desolator144 wrote:
btw, i gambled and bought a 5mil 72 sword with 3 blues yesterday, broke it and got 2 lucky 8 stones and they sold overnight for 7mil each. Plus the elements i got and the 20% meditation stone, thats over 10mil profit.

if it was that easy, wouldn't everyone do it and everyone be rich? And before you even answer, no because if supply of 8D stones, especially lucky, goes up then price goes down so everyone wouldn't be rich. So then why hasn't that happened? And why don't ppl buy 7D elements? 7D ppl need stones too!

High lvls fixing 8d sets have no use for 7d elements, why? Because all 8d tabs only take even numbered elements i.e. earth 2 4 6 and 8. Heres a thought. Try lvling to the point where u start finding 8d wpns and prot and start breaking those down. Instead of buying 1-2 8d stuff, breaking them down getting nothing then coming back here telling us all we're bsing because you didn't get the same result. People who grind and find 8d stuff and a whole lot of more stuff to disjoint then u could ever buy. just a thought...

p.s. u really are a noob. i think everyone here would agree with me. just love low lvls that are know it alls

4-n-zics · Post by **4-n-zics** » Tue May 08, 2007 11:21 am

desolator144 wrote:no motiviation to lie.

Hmmmmm.... yet those of us who have disjointed 8D weapons and have gotten multiple 8D STR, Lucky or multiple any 8D stones are lying??? Where is my motivation to lie about that?

Carnophage · Post by **Carnophage** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:43 pm

13D lucky tablet in my inventory, wow! The only thing real about that photo is that I'm 1/4 dutch lol

It isn't a question if lucky tablets are present in the game files. Just that they never actually dropped in the game

So seeing there is still no convincing evidence i'd say "myth busted"

EllisD · Post by **EllisD** » Tue May 08, 2007 4:48 pm

Dude, all you do is talk. So what, you have 8 whole people that believe they saw one, and there are a lot more than 8, that are at least twice your level, are more travelled in this game than you are, that believe they never dropped. Who decides who is right? Not you, thats for sure.

And you like to make assumptions, dont you? I would believe it if you got a GM to tell you that they did drop, or if you came to my server and handed me one, but the fact of the matter is, YOU CANT.

Yes, a screenshot would do you good actually, and its about the only thing that would proove what you claim, and you know you can tell if a s\s has been modified, right?

I like the kid comment, lol, you sound like you need a nap, your getting awful worked up. Go do that and think about how you are going to sway the masses. Until then...

desolator144 · Post by **desolator144** » Tue May 08, 2007 6:28 pm

I like the kid comment, lol, you sound like you need a nap, your getting awful worked up

kids tend to use the wrong version of the word your/you're....and you just did

When it comes to rare items, someone saying "I saw one, it existed" carries a hell of a lot more weight than anyone saying they never saw one. What other explanations are there for someones saying they saw one? Either they did or they're lying. What other explanations are there for someones saying they didn't see one, either they're lying or it's so rare that they never saw it but it still exists. Simple logic really. I think a +8 item exists somewhere in ISRO and I've only ever heard like 5 people say that they know someone who has one and A LOT of people say they've never seen one that high.

EllisD · Post by **EllisD** » Tue May 08, 2007 6:44 pm

desolator144 wrote:
I like the kid comment, lol, you sound like you need a nap, your getting awful worked up

kids tend to use the wrong version of the word your/you're....and you just did When it comes to rare items, someone saying "I saw one, it existed" carries a hell of a lot more weight than anyone saying they never saw one. What other explanations are there for someones saying they saw one? Either they did or they're lying. What other explanations are there for someones saying they didn't see one, either they're lying or it's so rare that they never saw it but it still exists. Simple logic really. I think a +8 item exists somewhere in ISRO and I've only ever heard like 5 people say that they know someone who has one and A LOT of people say they've never seen one that high.

Everyone tends to use the incorrect versions of words, especially on forums because you know what? It really dosnt matter. It still gets the same point across. This isnt an english class, im not getting graded, so what difference does it make?

When all you can really do is point out a trivial gramatical error, who looks like more of a child?

Youve only heard of 5 people that SAY they have seen or know someone that has a +8 weapon? Just shows how much you actually know.

It is still not likely that an item that supposedly dropped, a vast majority of people that have played this game for a very long time, have not come across this in their travels.

Carnophage · Post by **Carnophage** » Tue May 08, 2007 6:59 pm

Well you saying you had never seen a 5% or 35% assimilation stone doesn't really make your other statements credible cause 5% and 35% stones are quite common when destroying equipment.

So just bring some legit evidence of a luck tablet and we'll believe you

EllisD · Post by **EllisD** » Tue May 08, 2007 7:02 pm

Carnophage wrote:Well you saying you had never seen a 5% or 35% assimilation stone doesn't really make your other statements credible cause 5% and 35% stones are quite common when destroying equipment.

So just bring some legit evidence of a luck tablet and we'll believe you

I love it when people see the simplicity of the request

desolator144 · Post by **desolator144** » Thu May 10, 2007 3:16 am

FINALLY! Here's a word for word quote about the alchemy update before it came out by Joymax on their actual webpage for it:

Alchemy Tablets include:
Jade Tablet of Strength: Adds STR to all equipment items.
Jade Tablet of Intelligence: Adds INT to all equipment items.
Jade Tablet of Strikes: Increases the attack rating of a weapon. Can only be used on weapons.
Jade Tablet of Master: Increases the durability of all equipment items.
Jade Tablet of Penetration: Adds the attribute of Critical Parry Ratio on shields. This means you will be criticaled less often. Can only be used on shields.
Jade Tablet of Discipline: Adds the attribute of Block Ratio on a weapon. This means the weapon will be blocked less often by a shield. Can only be used on weapons.
Jade Tablet of Dodging: Increases the parry ratio on all armor, protector, and garment items.
Jade Tablet of Stamina: Adds an HP bonus on head, chest, and leg armor, protector, and garment pieces.
Jade Tablet of Magic: Adds an MP bonus on head, chest, and leg armor, protector, and garment pieces.
Jade Tablet of Fogs: Adds ice resistance on accessories.
Jade Tablet of Fire: Adds burn resistance on accessories.
Jade Tablet of Air: Adds electric shock resistance on accessories.
Jade Tablet of Immunity: Adds poison resistance on accessories.
Jade Tablet of Revival: Adds zombie status resistance on accessories
Jade Tablet of Luck: Increases the "lucky" value by one on all equipment items.
Jade Tablet of Hardness: Increases the "steady" value by one on all equipment items.

Attribute Tablets:
Ruby Tablet of Courage: Alters the weapon's physical attack damage.
Ruby Tablet of Philosophy: Alters the weapon's magical attack damage.
Ruby Tablet of Warriors: Alters the weapon's physical reinforcement value.
Ruby Tablet of Meditation: Alters the weapon's magical reinforcement value.
Ruby Tablet of Challenge: Alters the weapon's critical value.
Ruby Tablet of Agility: Alters the shield's blocking ratio value.
Ruby Tablet of Focus: Alters the weapon's attack rating.
Ruby Tablet of Flesh: Alters the shield, armor, protector, and garment's physical defense power.
Ruby Tablet of Spirit: Alters the shield armor, protector, and garment's magical defense power.
Ruby Tablet of Life: Alters the shield, armor, protector, and garment's physical reinforcement power.
Ruby Tablet of Mind: Alters the shield, armor, protector, and garment's magical defense power.
Ruby Tablet of Dodging: Alters the armor, protector, and garment's parry ratio.
Ruby Tablet of Training: Alters an accessory's physical absorption value.
Ruby Tablet of Prayer: Alters an accessory's magical absorption value.

Potion Tablets:
Sapphire Tablet of Breeze: Increases movement speed.
Sapphire Tablet of Wind: Increases movement speed.
Sapphire Tablet of Gales: Increases movement speed.
Sapphire Tablet of Typhoon: Increases movement speed.

I suppose that doesn't prove, prove it but that's what they said. by the way, interesting that they didn't keep "hardness" for steady

Btw, astral and immortal weren't on that list, and lucky and steady are, imagine that

4-n-zics · Post by **4-n-zics** » Mon May 14, 2007 11:43 pm

Ok, I know that this is not a video, but this screen shot should convince some of you. I just bought a level 64 bow with 3 blues and this is what I got when I rondoed it (all of the stones and elements in my inventory CAME FROM THAT ONE BOW):

Oh, and look - TWO of those stones are 5% stones:

PureOwnage · Post by **PureOwnage** » Mon May 14, 2007 11:55 pm

lol lucky tablets are just rare, I have 1 on my lvl 64 on xian

8th deg too ^.^

4-n-zics · Post by **4-n-zics** » Tue May 15, 2007 1:11 am

PureOwnage wrote:lol lucky tablets are just rare, I have 1 on my lvl 64 on xian 8th deg too ^.^

Just like anyone else will say, "screen shot or it does not exist"

Silver0 · Post by **Silver0** » Tue May 15, 2007 1:23 am

yes i want a screenshot of a lucky tab since
rondo=stones
rondo=luckystones

not tabs