morningdew's myspace

Innovacious · Post by **Innovacious** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:43 pm

did anyone look at her friends?

another joymax employee

EDIT: i read wongs post, lol, find the link yourself XD

he says hes a GM though O.o

Occupation: Game Master
Income: £30,000 to £45,000

Pred's Companies
Joymax Entertainment
San Jose, CA US
[GM]Ruder

[SD]Master_Wong · Post by **[SD]Master_Wong** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:58 pm

JaJa wrote:
Sharp324 wrote:
JaJa wrote:Again, if you do not want people to know your personal details, things that you do, or know what you look like, DO NOT POST THEM TO THE INTERNET. If you make a public myspace page and put personal info on it, and then work as a very public mouthpiece of a company that has this many irate customers, don't be surprised or be upset when people find that info. If it mattered that much to her she should have made the profile private to only allow friends to see it.

Anything you publish is subject to criticism and ridicule. If you do not want this then do not publish personal info. It is a very simple concept.

Its not the fact its there its the fact that the people talking smack because they are too ignorant to see anything beyond themselves

Do you get this worked up whenever there is a flame war on a forum, then? That is usually ignorant people talking smack, also.

Or is it the fact that she published all of her personal info on a huge billboard and now people around the world are cracking jokes about it?

I fail to see what is wrong here. I make fun of people's bad poetry and art and pics and other nonsense all the time, it is what people do, meanwhile I've put things up on the internet knowing full well that it was possibly going to get made fun of. That is what publishing is, and if you feel your personal life is "private" then don't put it on the huge billboard that is Myspace.

so if you know someones name not on the internet and start spreading rumors he/she is say a rapist your aloud to do as you know his/her name and its up for ridicule,

your wrong yes the myspace is public but if she wanted all of us to know it she would have posted it by now, to start posting information that may hard or bring upset to anyone isnt right, Joymax is doing a bad job running this game and morningdew is on the forefront taking all of the bashing, she isnt a bad person infact she is trying but now you lot have made it eaiser for people to see her info it only wil make it worse.

If people were that bothered they would and probelly could find this information but not all of us will go out to do that and now it has been posted those who may not of wanted to go off and find it now only need to follow a link and start there childish flames and hatred towards her.

the internet may be public but you need to find it, not for everything to be made easy. i dont mind my info been out inface i have my msn space as my web site link on these forums im open to share that but she was not open to share that information to my knowlage and now it may bring her a lot of hassel

JaJa · Post by **JaJa** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:05 pm

I do not understand what you are trying to say in that first paragraph. That is not what I was saying at all. Lying about someone else has nothing to do with this.

But the fact is, SHE put HER LIFE on the internet, including that she works for JM, not anyone else. This would be the same as if she had put it on a billboard in Times Square. The whole world can see it, it isn't hard to find at all. It's not the same as someone managing to dig up your SSN or something using some Govt database, this is info SHE put up herself, including all of the references that would allow people to find her (re: that she works for JM). She also has told people on the forum that a)she has a Myspace b)her name is Mary.

So that is it. She didn't try to "hide" from people and it was dredged up, no one put anything there against her will. She made all of the info public.

[SD]Master_Wong · Post by **[SD]Master_Wong** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:13 pm

thats not what im saying she mentioned she had a myspace and told us her name but she did not show us all her myspace as she would have posted a link, its non of our busisnes to know about them or there lives and its just as bad as them girly magasines like hello and shit i dont want to know about peoples lives im not like that nor should anyone else unless they give clear permission to let us see that info

JaJa · Post by **JaJa** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:16 pm

Wrong. It is nothing like tabloids, because tabloids dig up personal info themselves. She gave the personal info herself. Regardless of if she gave a link or not, she TOLD everyone it was there, and SHE put the info into the public. Are you actually arguing that putting personal info on the internet you are keeping it private?

[SD]Master_Wong · Post by **[SD]Master_Wong** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:18 pm

im arguing putting that info clear into this type of community should have been done, those who really wanted it wil go get it otherwise noone else needs it now they have access and can beg, flame, harrass her all they want without going out doing more reseacrh and getting it

Glorious · Post by **Glorious** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:19 pm

Yeah, what do you think myspace if for. Its for public access, so you can meet new people.

JaJa · Post by **JaJa** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:20 pm

Well I'm sure she's about to meet a WHOLE LOT of new people now.

[SD]Master_Wong · Post by **[SD]Master_Wong** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:21 pm

yes but can you say everyone on sro has myspace or wil bother to find her?

now regardles they can find her to say what they want and because they dont have a sro id there its not a problem

Post by **Ryoko** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:22 pm

LOL

Ask her for your acct back on MySpace.

JaJa · Post by **JaJa** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:27 pm

I have no idea, I was merely pointing out that it is her own fault for posting personal info that she didn't want people knowing. Consider posting these to the internet:

"My account name is fool and my password is ImDumb." OMG SOMEONE HACKED ME! <- Your fault for posting your info

"My name is Bob Screwmeover and my SSN is 312-34-2374." OMG SOMEONE STOLE MY IDENTITY!! <-Your fault again

"I'm the public relations person for a gaming company who have pissed off a lot of customers. My name is Mary and I have a Myspace that will be very easy to find because I put the name of my company on it, and my real name." OMG WHY ARE YOU PRYING INTO MY PERSONAL LIFE!? <-Who do you think is to blame?

Solo · Post by **Solo** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:36 pm

The information is public for anyone to see - True
MorningDew put that info public herself - True

However, regardless of the method or circumstances of how this was dug up I still think it is morally wrong to post someone's myspace without their consent. Just because you can abuse the system does not mean you should. I think that everyone should have a certain degree of privacy so that things like this do not arise. The information is public but by openly allowing that private information (in the sense of personal details) to be used in such a way that was not originally desired by the subject; in my opinion that should not be done. You can see this happening with paparazzi and celebrities to a lesser extent. You can take pictures, it's legal but it is generally looked down on.

It does come down to our own beliefs and values. I for one think that if I'd found MorningDew's myspace I would only share it with a few friends or keep it to myself. It's someone's myspace...big deal. But posting such content on a public forum where hundreds of people will see is another matter. What MorningDew thinks of the situation now is not really the concern. It's how the person posting the information beforehand should feel in regard to her. Does she want this information to be openly broadcasted? What are the possible consequences if I do so? If there is any feelings of these examples prior to releasing information of this nature, then it should be taken that the subject does not want their information distributed.

I think it would be best to lock this thread as it is resulting in endless discussion of what is morally right or wrong. Not to mention that it is keeping the thread alive and kicking for more people to see...

JaJa · Post by **JaJa** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:40 pm

This is in no way the same as tabloids "digging things up". There is no "digging up" involved. If the profile had been set to private, and personal info was published, and someone weasels there way into her friends list in order to get the info, and then takes that info and publishes somewhere else, THEN that is digging it up. You can't put info that is viewable by anyone up and expect any sort of privacy. This is the same as if a celeb published a book and a newspaper wrote an article about it. She made the info public. Period.

Lock it? Why? There is no flaming going on, there is no violation of forum rules as far as I can see either. There is no reason to lock this thread.

EDIT: Try a Google search for "joymax mary myspace". Yeah, very private. If you could do the same for a given person's SSN because they put it on their webpage it is their own stupidity for doing so. No, I'm not justifying taking illegal actions or anything, but I am saying don't defend people who put their info up, and they also shouldn't complain about people finding it. I've been scammed IRL, and I when I tell about it I admit it was my own fault for going along with it.

[SD]Master_Wong · Post by **[SD]Master_Wong** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:47 pm

Ryoko wrote:LOL

Ask her for your acct back on MySpace.

naa i wont grobble to that level Ryoko iv had a clear and 100% no, so il continue to try other methods of getting it back regardles of whether i am stil playing sro or not

Sharp324 · Post by **Sharp324** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:59 pm

JaJa wrote:
Sharp324 wrote:
JaJa wrote:Again, if you do not want people to know your personal details, things that you do, or know what you look like, DO NOT POST THEM TO THE INTERNET. If you make a public myspace page and put personal info on it, and then work as a very public mouthpiece of a company that has this many irate customers, don't be surprised or be upset when people find that info. If it mattered that much to her she should have made the profile private to only allow friends to see it.

Anything you publish is subject to criticism and ridicule. If you do not want this then do not publish personal info. It is a very simple concept.

Its not the fact its there its the fact that the people talking smack because they are too ignorant to see anything beyond themselves

Do you get this worked up whenever there is a flame war on a forum, then? That is usually ignorant people talking smack, also.

Or is it the fact that she published all of her personal info on a huge billboard and now people around the world are cracking jokes about it?

I fail to see what is wrong here. I make fun of people's bad poetry and art and pics and other nonsense all the time, it is what people do, meanwhile I've put things up on the internet knowing full well that it was possibly going to get made fun of. That is what publishing is, and if you feel your personal life is "private" then don't put it on the huge billboard that is Myspace.

Wow i know what you need, thats to grow up seriously. You laugh and make fun of people now, thats what you do when your in like 3rd grade, do it for fun then thats really just sad on your part

JaJa · Post by **JaJa** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:08 pm

Yeah...thanks for the flame. Finding humor in life is SOOOO wrong of me.

EDIT: Besides the point, I NEVER said ANYTHING about her, I had NOTHING to do with any of this, because actually I DO feel bad making fun of people in public. At the same time, I AM grown up and I have weathered plenty of jokes and snide remarks about my art, and I find it rediculous for her to complain about her privacy, and others from defending "her private life" that she made soooo public. Read the rest of my posts to understand what I am talking about, not just one reply and assuming things about me.

Solo · Post by **Solo** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:39 pm

I agree that when releasing any form of private information publicly on the internet you are also saying to everyone in the world that they have access to that information. This information is volatile in nature as the user does want the information to be known to a certain extent but they do not want it to be abused.

If your parents had embarrassing pictures of when you were a baby, and somehow those pictures found their way onto the internet by means of your parents posting them on a website (with your consent when your were still a child) - suddenly someone finds it for all your friends to see, how would you feel? I'd say pretty mad. Did you originally want your friends to view those pictures? Of course not. Did that person do something lawfully wrong? No. Yet you still did not want those pictures to be released, right? Yes, but at the time you did not forsee that such a thing would occur. Does that make it your fault? 'Yes' to an extent but ultimately 'No'; we are human and therefore make mistakes and sometimes cannot predict such things.

The same concept applies to her MySpace. Sure it is public for everyone to see. She did post that info on the internet which makes it public. However, when she originally created her myspace do you think that she wanted 1000 silkroad players who have no intention of being her friend, prying on her myspace by a link found on a forum? No, again. When she created the Myspace, I think it's original intention was so that she could keep in touch with a few friends etc. I also do think she should have made it private because of the possibilty of something like this happening. As it is, through human flaw, she did not and someone did find her myspace because it was open to the public - and look what has happened as a result.

For whatever reason that she did not make her profile private is irrelevant to me as I'm argueing the case of 'if you have access to private information, even if you found it publicly, should you release AND promote distribution of that information' when that person has no say. I condemn acts like this because nothing but harm can come out of it. I'm defending basic human innocence and nature. No one is perfect, just like you said where you got scammed in real life. Someone took advantage of you which they shouldn't of have. As now, someone has taken advantage of MorningDew by promoting exposure and distribution to what would of otherwise been harmless information into potentially dangerous information because it can be used against her etc.

While MorningDew cannot do anything else but make her profile private, that does not mean that she was entirely at fault. The person who posted the link also carries responsibilty as they are the ones who are promoting the spread of it.

I just think as human beings we should be more considerate of other people and that this thread should be locked to be considerate to MorningDew, that's all.

JaJa · Post by **JaJa** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:53 pm

I do understand your point. And I partially agree. However, there are two things to bring up.

If my parents posted some picture of me that was embarrassing I would be mad at my parents for doing it, not my friends for making jokes about it. That is not the case here, here SHE put up the embarrassing stuff herself.

Two, there is no expectation of privacy on the internet. Period. This is the same as some girl in middle school writing on a big posterboard that she did naughty things with the guy in the back of the class, and taped it up on the wall. When every one comes up and jokes about it, people go "OMG that isn't your business!!" WTF. If it was info only meant for a select few then some short emails or a private profile was warranted. It isn't anyone's fault that this was found except her own. No one is taking advantage of anything. She chose to tell the world these things.

[SD]Master_Wong · Post by **[SD]Master_Wong** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:08 pm

JaJa wrote:I do understand your point. And I partially agree. However, there are two things to bring up.

If my parents posted some picture of me that was embarrassing I would be mad at my parents for doing it, not my friends for making jokes about it. That is not the case here, here SHE put up the embarrassing stuff herself.

Two, there is no expectation of privacy on the internet. Period. This is the same as some girl in middle school writing on a big posterboard that she did naughty things with the guy in the back of the class, and taped it up on the wall. When every one comes up and jokes about it, people go "OMG that isn't your business!!" WTF. If it was info only meant for a select few then some short emails or a private profile was warranted. It isn't anyone's fault that this was found except her own. No one is taking advantage of anything. She chose to tell the world these things.

what your comparing it by is wrong, to find a myspace you need to search its not smack bang in your face is it? while your example of the poster is

all were saying is people know about it already but to post it brings no good and the more you go on it seems the less you understand and well seem very childish about this whole thing,

put your self in this position, you make a myspace for friends and so on you dont mind people viewing it so you make it public, then you work for a company with a bad name you mention a few simpl things like you have a myspace and mention your name, but did you intend them to use only your name and basic facts such as you work for jm to find this

the answer is no, if she truely wanted that many people to view it she would have said go find it or even posted it simple as

ok here my name is Matthew Farrell, i went langley secondary school, im 17 i have a myspace go find it yes its public

if you give that much info out in a form like that then your offering for someone to find she has only gave her name out in one thread and people added this to her statement of her having a myspace in another thread and knowing she works for jm

ps really go find my myspace i forgot the log in a long time ago so its old and not been updated ever

Frozen · Post by **Frozen** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:12 pm

Sharp324 wrote:Wow how people talk here no wonder Crayon quit

lol Crayon quit because Joymax runs their company like
a damn nike sweatshop. 20 howaa days no fwied wice fo you.

JaJa · Post by **JaJa** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:27 pm

Childish? Why do you have to resort to name-calling to make your points? Have I called you, or anyone else, names?

Yes, it is identical to putting it on a big poster, in a sea of other posters. It isn't in your face but you know they are there, and if you take the time to read through them or look for someone specific you will find the info. If it is personal then you don't put it up for anyone to see. I see nothing wrong with posting a link to her myspace, as it is public info.

Ok, let me play the "in her shoes" game. I make a myspace to keep in touch with my friends and family. Actually, I *did* do this, so I know exactly how this is. I don't mind people viewing it either, so it is public too. Now, we hit the snag. I know anything I put on here is going to be found by people I don't want to know it. My friends will know it is me even with false info, so to who's benefit do I put any factual details of my life? Strangers. And I really don't want strangers having info about me. So EVERYTHING is false, aside from some pics of my kids. Oh, and my musical interests, I don't care who knows that either. I have a job where I might be "found" by customers, and I really don't want my business life mixing with my private life, which is why I cloud the two so you can't link them. It is basic common sense.

Lastly, I'm sorry to say anything about your age, but again YOU just told everyone, and so I have to say this. In the next 5 years of being in the real world you will learn that the more you protect people, the worse off they are. I am also still relatively young, but I have fought and struggled through the Real World where idealism doesn't exist, fairness doesn't exist, and you have to take care of YOURSELF, not rely on anyone else to do it for you. I have two children, and I protect them from harm also, but some mistakes you have to let them make and pay for on their own. Personal responsibility is a good thing. You can't just try to hide this link and think the problem is going to go away.

So again, she made a big mistake here, which I can sympathize with, but don't turn it around and blame everyone else that the info was found. She published it. Now fix the problem, don't blame everyone else but yourself.

[SD]Master_Wong · Post by **[SD]Master_Wong** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:32 pm

i dunno i get the feeling you think your better then us yata yata yata

what your saying it not relevent, why should information like that be spread willingly like an advertisement?

sloweredmangyang · Post by **sloweredmangyang** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:42 pm

JaJa wrote:Well I'm sure she's about to meet a WHOLE LOT of new people now.

lmfao how many friend request do u think

her myspace could end up like the official forum

"MD y is ppl (insert complaint here)?!!!"

non ego man · Post by **non ego man** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:45 pm

JaJa wrote:I really don't want my business life mixing with my private life, which is why I cloud the two so you can't link them. It is basic common sense.

So if I *was* able to link your business and private lives and post your business info here (or your private info on your business site), you wouldn't appreciate it, right?

Sure, you'll say "I should have done a better job keeping them separate" but you'd also say, "I wish that guy would have respected my privacy."

Wong's point is that until she say's "here's my myspace page" then it's something she probably doesn't want in these threads (or if you don't know, best to err on the side of her privacy).

Like you, I keep my business and personal lives separate. That's why you won't find even my IGN, server, guild or anything in my profile. If I think that my identity is about to be compromised, I re-register under a different name. But if someone were to find me and post information about me, which may be public, but is not something I want associated with SRO, I'm going to be angry.

So like I said, until MD herself connects her private life with her postings in these threads (her job), it is best to err on the side of respecting her and not doing it.

Solo · Post by **Solo** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:00 pm

If my parents posted some picture of me that was embarrassing I would be mad at my parents for doing it, not my friends for making jokes about it. That is not the case here, here SHE put up the embarrassing stuff herself.

You fail to see what I'm saying. I said that if those pictures had been posted by your parents with your consent in the past. In that case you would also be the one putting that information out there. As Master_Wong stated, the poster and someone's myspace are entirely different. To find the myspace requires one to search for it. Isn't this 'digging' because it is not smackbang in your face? It required tools as a means to find it rather than being given the information directly. The poster in a sea of posters fails as the internet is something where information is much more volatile.

Keep in mind that the the information, while it is public for all to see is ALSO personal information.

If it was info only meant for a select few then some short emails or a private profile was warranted. It isn't anyone's fault that this was found except her own. No one is taking advantage of anything. She chose to tell the world these things.

I have no problem with someone finding her myspace. I have a problem with it being posted openly on the forums. Read my post again where is says I stated that the reason that her myspace being not private is irrelevant and 'if you have access to private information, even if you found it publicly, should you release AND promote distribution of that information' when that person has no say. Private information being that of personal info.

The information is certainly there for all to see but she did not tell the world her myspace. Someone else did. If she did she would of posted it on the forum herself. Need I make this any clearer? Just because you say that there is no expectation of privacy on the internet does not mean that we should endorse this concept. There is no expectation of privacy because there are people out there who think this way and are willing to get hold of your information and use that information against you.

By openly posting the link it is encouraging this sort of behaviour. I'm saying to be considerate to others personal information because personal information is something that can be transformed into something that is relatively harmless into potentially dangerous. Because of the fact there is no expectation of privacy on the internet due to information diggers, shouldn't we be the ones who should adopt the concept of being mindful of others in a world where many are not? That is why I believe that this thread should be locked and the link removed to prevent any furthur harm.

I say that it is like being taken advantage of because this concept can also be applied to some cases of account hacking. If someone dug up your email from this forum and your secret question was "what is my favourite movie?", and somehow they guessed the answer by asking you what type of movies you liked; isn't that the same as using what might appear to be harmless information for malicious purposes? You did not tell them the name of your favourite movie directly but someone has used that information in order to guess it. Someone dug up her myspace and posted it to the public which also causes harmless information from the subject's point of view to be transformed into harmful.

In the next 5 years of being in the real world you will learn that the more you protect people, the worse off they are. I am also still relatively young, but I have fought and struggled through the Real World where idealism doesn't exist, fairness doesn't exist, and you have to take care of YOURSELF, not rely on anyone else to do it for you.

Our views seem to be conflicting because we see the world in different light. I stated that it does come down to personal beliefs and values when judging someone elses actions. Master_Wong simply thought that you were being childish because his views also conflicted. I do think that you are taking a rather strong cynical view upon the world however by saying such things. You're posting of false information on your myspace is proof of this. Thus, trying to put yourself in MorningDew's shoes cannot apply entirely as she may have entirely different views from you and I, as everyone else in the world. A person's view on 'reality' and the 'world' is constructed from how they perceive things.

So again, she made a big mistake here, which I can sympathize with, but don't turn it around and blame everyone else that the info was found. She published it. Now fix the problem, don't blame everyone else but yourself.

Again, she was the NOT the one who chose to present this information to the members of this forum. 'Information being public' and 'Personal information that is public and being openly distributed' are two different things as the latter can cause harm to the individual involved. This is all I have to say on the matter for now as I have to go to school.

Peace =D

JaJa · Post by **JaJa** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:10 pm

@non ego man
NO. If you manage to link my business info (factual for obvious reasons) and my personal myspace page for example, then you WOULD be violating my privacy because I did NOT put my actual name or any true info on it, and that WOULD be digging. She put her NAME on it, and the real sticker here is she put JOYMAX on it. She was not making any attempt to cloud who she worked for, at all.

JaJa · Post by **JaJa** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:14 pm

solo wrote:Our views seem to be conflicting because we see the world in different light. I stated that it does come down to personal beliefs and values when judging someone elses actions. Master_Wong simply thought that you were being childish because his views also conflicted. I do think that you are taking a rather strong cynical view upon the world however by saying such things. You're posting of false information on your myspace is proof of this. Thus, trying to put yourself in MorningDew's shoes cannot apply entirely as she may have entirely different views from you and I, as everyone else in the world. A person's view on 'reality' and the 'world' is constructed from how they perceive things.

I think this sums things up nicely. There will never be any agreement on this because of our experiences in life. Thank you for the debate and with that I'll respectfully close the argument, if you have no objection to this.

[SD]Master_Wong · Post by **[SD]Master_Wong** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:18 pm

JaJa wrote:@non ego man
NO. If you manage to link my business info (factual for obvious reasons) and my personal myspace page for example, then you WOULD be violating my privacy because I did NOT put my actual name or any true info on it, and that WOULD be digging. She put her NAME on it, and the real sticker here is she put JOYMAX on it. She was not making any attempt to cloud who she worked for, at all.

well as you said if its on the internet its free for all irrelevent if he digs for it :roll:

JaJa · Post by **JaJa** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:23 pm

Master_wong wrote:
JaJa wrote:@non ego man
NO. If you manage to link my business info (factual for obvious reasons) and my personal myspace page for example, then you WOULD be violating my privacy because I did NOT put my actual name or any true info on it, and that WOULD be digging. She put her NAME on it, and the real sticker here is she put JOYMAX on it. She was not making any attempt to cloud who she worked for, at all.

well as you said if its on the internet its free for all irrelevent if he digs for it

Haha. Nice try. My personal and business info is NOT on the internet. So to link the two WOULD be invading my privacy. That is why I don't PUT that info on the internet.

Sharp324 · Post by **Sharp324** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:52 pm

Frozen wrote:
Sharp324 wrote:Wow how people talk here no wonder Crayon quit

lol Crayon quit because Joymax runs their company like
a damn nike sweatshop. 20 howaa days no fwied wice fo you.

did you also read how the shit everyone talked got him down?