Venus still is with the most of legits?

[non ego man]

I want your input people.

I really don't think you want my input. This is one of those threads in which I won't be able to refrain from being a complete smartass. After I'm done posting, SG will give me a warning and I'll have to apologize to him for being such a dick. I'll avoid all that by just keeping my mouth shut and hope you people appreciate the maturity you've just observed.

[Axeoo7]

Why would people need to buy that much gold in venus? there is no sun gear theres no damand for 2bill gold for items i dont know why you would make up fake shit about gold sellers on venus it dosnt make sense.

[deathtoall]

non, Im just stating facts straight from the sellers, nothing else. im not being an ass in any way.

[nightbloom]

I want your input people.

I really don't think you want my input. This is one of those threads in which I won't be able to refrain from being a complete smartass. After I'm done posting, SG will give me a warning and I'll have to apologize to him for being such a dick. I'll avoid all that by just keeping my mouth shut and hope you people appreciate the maturity you've just observed.

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Oh come now Neon, you know you wanna.... Im just a teensy bit curious about your educated guess here.

*grins*

[deathtoall]

Curious as well, just waiting for a reply.

[ThisIsAvalon]

you cant sit there and assume that Fly. Or is it your belief that anyone not in a guild is a gold bot?gold bots are not the issue here. What is at hand is Venus buys more,and Xian buys less. Making Venus prices cheaper and xians prices more expensive.

Prophet, the numbers I provided are straight from TPL(the biggest gold seller in sro)

Pompom himself buys more gold then the entire Venus server combined. Here, let me give you an example. Lets ASSUME that Venus has more gold buyers then Xian. According to your theory, the more goldbuyers in a server, the lower the prices. So, lets say everyone in Venus started buying gold. The goldprice will .... drop because of that? If that continued, and more people started buying gold, gold would be as low as $1/100mil, and the company would go bankrupt. Thats like stating that the more people bought BMW's, they would lower the price? Makes no sense at all.

[LivithiuM]

I don't think anyone here should have the audacity to make judgement regarding the cost of gold per server compared to the amount of gold buyers.

For those that do they simply overlook the many factors pertaining to the situation. There are only few simple FACTS involved; Gold price per server, player count per server. What about the other varying evidence per server that is presumed negligable.... ?

-Server age
-Total number of acc's per server
-Previous lobotamy of server counts(@nightbloom sorry for my slang use of the term but where I come from we often comment on something that has had things removed but still functions as normal as being lobotomized.... and no i doubt it is even a word lol)
-Comparitive loss of gold bots due to ban per server

Every server is completely different even if you just look at the simple fact of server age.

I don't even know why this is a discussion. Just state facts, it is much simpler.

People complain about Gold bots.
The same people buy their gold.

P.S. is it just me... or has SRO resorted to kicking us out of the game again after login failure due to crowded servers?

[deathtoall]

Once again, someone who doesn't read previous posts. Thepowerb1tches..lol is the biggest gold seller on Silkroad Online. Their Xian stock is approximately 2b with more accumulating everyday. Venus stock is at 300m.(was 300m earlier at the time of speaking with them.) They...can...not...keep....a...high...stock...of..gold...because people are buying the shit out of it. Does that make it easier for all of you in Venus to understand? All this info was accumulated over the past 3 days. Takes a long fcking time to get someone who understands english to speak with you..lol Once again, the point is, Xian has less gold buyers, Venus has more. So that answers this threads OP. No Venus does not have the most legits.

Ya livithium,client boots ya again:(

[nightbloom]

I don't think anyone here should have the audacity to make judgement regarding the cost of gold per server compared to the amount of gold buyers.

For those that do they simply overlook the many factors pertaining to the situation. There are only few simple FACTS involved; Gold price per server, player count per server. What about the other varying evidence per server that is presumed negligable.... ?

-Server age
-Total number of acc's per server
-Previous labotamized server counts
-Comparitive loss of gold bots due to ban per server

Every server is completely different even if you just look at the simple fact of server age.

I don't even know why this is a discussion. Just state facts, it is much simpler.

People complain about Gold bots.
The same people buy their gold.

P.S. is it just me... or has SRO resorted to kicking us out of the game again after login failure due to crowded servers?

labotamized - define that for me cause I dont think you mean that server counts have had their frontal lobes removed.

And yes, the NO DC client has been removed.

[LivithiuM]

labotamized - define that for me cause I dont think you mean that server counts have had their frontal lobes removed.

fixed... sort of.. lol. perhaps you can think of a better word to describe the previous server counts for new servers. I'll stick with my slang

[William-CL]

Where the fuck is Barotix lol. This thread is just so full of debate it makes me giggle.

[/Pi]

Once again, someone who doesn't read previous posts. Thepowerb1tches..lol is the biggest gold seller on Silkroad Online. Their Xian stock is approximately 2b with more accumulating everyday. Venus stock is at 300m.(was 300m earlier at the time of speaking with them.) They...can...not...keep....a...high...stock...of..gold...because people are buying the shit out of it. Does that make it easier for all of you in Venus to understand? All this info was accumulated over the past 3 days. Takes a long fcking time to get someone who understands english to speak with you..lol Once again, the point is, Xian has less gold buyers, Venus has more. So that answers this threads OP. No Venus does not have the most legits.

Ya livithium,client boots ya again:(

Okay. Let's get this over with.

I mentioned something about assumptions in my earlier posts, and the need to provide solid proof. LivithiuM laid out the facts that we all know, and can gain access to it - the amount of players per server and the price of gold per server. That's all we have. As for the amount of stock TPL has, I am pretty bitchy when it comes to skepticism, but I'll take your word for it.

So here are the facts:
Xian:

• Number of Players per Server: 3500 - only open once a week after inspections
• Price of Gold: $3.74 per 10 million
• Stock: 2 billion

Venus:

• Number of Players per Server: 2500-3000 - relative to other servers, it's open most of the time
• Price of Gold: $2.35 per 10 million
• Stock: 300 million

Your conclusions:

1. Venus' low stock is due to a high demand of gold, compared to other servers, in this case: Xian.
   This merely follows from the fact that Venus has a low stock of gold, ~300 million. Not only that, but the current stock cannot reflect the stocks from the past. You may have called in, and they have stated their amount of stock for the day, or the week, or even month. But how sure are we that the stock remains as it is, around 300 million? Information obtained from the last three days is not enough.
   
   There are just too many possible answers as to why Venus has a lower stock than Xian. It could be that a player bought a large proportion, due to the highly inflated prices of the new degrees.
   
   Until you give us the connection between 300 million, and Venus running out gold faster than Xian, your first conclusion remains invalid.
   
   
2. Xian has less gold buyers. Venus has more gold buyers.
   First off, I'll just ignore the validity of your first conclusion for now, since it is what this second conclusion is based off of.
   
   Another conclusion that lacks any fiber of connection whatsoever. Has it come across your mind the possibility that one, or even a handful of people can buy off a large amount of gold in one server? Let's just say, your first conclusion is correct: Venus' stock of gold runs out faster than Xian. But does mean that there are more people buying gold? Of course not. It can also mean that there are people who buy large amounts of gold. It can also mean that everyone in Venus buys gold, though the amount is much less, as it is spread out.
   
   Again, you need to give us the connection.
   
   
3. Venus does not have the most legits.
   If your first two statements are correct, then this is correct.

Other factors that LivithiuM mentioned:

1. Age of the Server - Xian is obviously older than Venus. Xian is the very first server, opened on October 2005, while Venus was opened on November 2007. Between these times, the goldbot infestation occurred. Xian had at least a year head start in accumulating gold compared to Venus.
   
   How is this relevant? Amount of stock gold that each server has is not just determined by the demand, but also the accumulation in time.
   
   
2. Accounts per Server - Almost impossible to know unless Joymax releases the information.
   
   How is this relevant? The amount of legit players per server. One person can have as many accounts as possible, from just one to even ten or more. By the words "more legit", is it more legit characters, more legit accounts, or more legit players?
   
   
3. Previous Server Capacity - Irrelevant, for now
   
   
4. Amount of Goldbots Banned - Irrelevant, for now

I'm pretty bad at closing statements so yeah... that's my shiznuts for you.

[LivithiuM]

What I was trying to say is that you cannot determine an answer to any of the questions posted in this thread due to a lack of facts.

Assumption is the key to all fck ups!

Other factors that LivithiuM mentioned:
Age of the Server - Xian is obviously older than Venus. Xian is the very first server, opened on October 2005, while Venus was opened on November 2007. Between these times, the goldbot infestation occurred. Xian had at least a year head start in accumulating gold compared to Venus.

First I say age because obviously the server is much older and this will affect many of the variables that you will need to answer any of your unanswerable questions.

The age of the server can effect:
-The amount of gold accumulated due to the increased time in operation.
-The levels of the Gold Bots and hence the efficiency of the gold bots in service
-The goldbot/player ratio will differ (assumption lol)

Accounts per Server - Almost impossible to know unless Joymax releases the information.

How is this relevant? The amount of legit players per server. One person can have as many accounts as possible, from just one to even ten or more. By the words "more legit", is it more legit characters, more legit accounts, or more legit players?

The amount of accounts(players, legit/bot or goldbot) per server will reflect the demand for gold on that server. This response is purely based on math.

Previous Server Capacity - Irrelevant, for now

Completely relevant. The fact newer servers were created with as little as 4/7 the capacity
of older servers will affect:
-total legitimate player population and the relative gold bot population that it requires.

We should acknowledge that the major influx of players to a server is at its' creation. If the server capacity is low it will cap prematurely. Perfect example is Hera 2,000.

Amount of Goldbots Banned

Again how is this not relevant.
The main argument in this thread is the comparison of the cost of gold per server relating to the amount of Legit players per server.

How this is even possible to not account for the huge amount of other factors I do not know, but the most absurd thing is that when the supply line is cut for any product the cost for that product greatly increases.

Hence why we see a large change in gold prices recently.


Conclusion

I am not arguing any point except this: "There are too many variables required pertaining to each server to ascertain any FACTS to any of the questions that have been asked in this thread"

[PR0METHEUS]

Yall do know that most of the people who claim to be legit because they dont bot, are the ones who secretly buy gold. Gold prices from gold selling companies are cheapest where the most people buy gold.

If less people are buying it, the prices will raise up.

I guess you've never had a class in economics. It's all about supply and demand, opposite of what you claim. If there is a higher demand for a product (more people are buying it) then prices will go up. Less demand, prices go down. Similarly, if there is a larger supply, the company has more product to sell and can afford to sell it cheaper. If there is a small supply, prices tend to rise (make only 10 Lamborghini's world-wide, sell for 2.4 million USD).

Why do you think gas stations right next to a highway sell their gas more expensive than a station located 5 miles away from the highway? More customers will shop next to the highway = higher demand = higher prices.

In SRO, if more people are buying from a gold company, they will raise prices.

And to Topic starter.. Venus is the same as any other server. You have bots, and you have legits.

Of course there are bots and legits in Venus. The difference is, legits in Venus are taking a much bigger stand against bots than in other servers, and they are quite successful.

[Necrobat]

With all you people stating that Venus has less gold stock because of a higher demand even considered that the majority of bots on the server run private goldbots? So in fact they would be gaining complete profit for themselves, limiting the gold companies thus reducing the amount of stock they can gather?

[tedtwilliger]

Am i the only one finding it weird that this deathtoall guy is talking to gold buying companies just to "prove a point"?

Also prices are based on many things. When someone said venus has only 300 mill in stock, did you take into account the number of gold bots which are disabled by bot traps? The fact that venus has less gold bots? The fact that 300m in venus isn't the ame as 300 in xian?

Many factors deem this argument pointless. Lets stop now k?

[TOloseGT]

i like girls

just fyi

[deathtoall]

Whatever guys, doesnt matter I guess. The people who know and see what Im talking about, thanks. All the rest of you that want to be blind to this sort of thing, well, thats just sad.

Oh and Fly, lets say you are right about the goldbot situation ...then...L..O..L Get ready for some more gold and to thank the companies some more.(going by your assumption made in a previous post that is) Venus goldbots 2611(yesterday 2069) Xian 2497(down 20x from yesterday)

Just let the thread die, noones gonna be victorious here..:p It was fun while it lasted.

Edit...Forgot to mention this. Necro, you may say you dont have the time but there is a couple of hours a week when TPL doesnt run their bots. When they go offline the numbers(according to rev6) in server drop 450-700 spots. There must be a big gold buying population in venus if one company runs that many bots.

[F-22]

you cant sit there and assume that Fly. Or is it your belief that anyone not in a guild is a gold bot?gold bots are not the issue here. What is at hand is Venus buys more,and Xian buys less. Making Venus prices cheaper and xians prices more expensive.

Prophet, the numbers I provided are straight from TPL(the biggest gold seller in sro)

Pompom himself buys more gold then the entire Venus server combined. Here, let me give you an example. Lets ASSUME that Venus has more gold buyers then Xian. According to your theory, the more goldbuyers in a server, the lower the prices. So, lets say everyone in Venus started buying gold. The goldprice will .... drop because of that? If that continued, and more people started buying gold, gold would be as low as $1/100mil, and the company would go bankrupt. Thats like stating that the more people bought BMW's, they would lower the price? Makes no sense at all.

it depends on how much supply(gold) does the gold company has. if the demand is high and the supply is high than you can have a low price and if the demand is high and the supply is low than the price will be very high. sounds confusing, economics is weird.

[Toasty]

Whatever guys, doesnt matter I guess. The people who know and see what Im talking about, thanks. All the rest of you that want to be blind to this sort of thing, well, thats just sad.

Oh and Fly, lets say you are right about the goldbot situation ...then...L..O..L Get ready for some more gold and to thank the companies some more.(going by your assumption made in a previous post that is) Venus goldbots 2611(yesterday 2069) Xian 2497(down 20x from yesterday)

Just let the thread die, noones gonna be victorious here..:p It was fun while it lasted.

Edit...Forgot to mention this. Necro, you may say you dont have the time but there is a couple of hours a week when TPL doesnt run their bots. When they go offline the numbers(according to rev6) in server drop 450-700 spots. There must be a big gold buying population in venus if one company runs that many bots.

You've really embarrased yourself throughout this thread.

[borat2]

A lot of factors decide the price of gold, probably the most influential one on Venus is the traffic.
There are a lot of goldbuyers even on Venus if its the bots who do it or the "legits" that is a hard question but that doest change the fact Venus still has the biggest legit community of all servers.

The price is so low i can imagine some "legits" get tempted to buy gold.

Lets stay on earth i can`t imagine those extra 1000 slots have been filled with legits and not to forget rev6 does not seem to record Jangan.

[BalkanFanaticS]

all the servers are all the same because they all have one thing in common.

they all suck.

+1

[deathtoall]

Whatever guys, doesnt matter I guess. The people who know and see what Im talking about, thanks. All the rest of you that want to be blind to this sort of thing, well, thats just sad.

Oh and Fly, lets say you are right about the goldbot situation ...then...L..O..L Get ready for some more gold and to thank the companies some more.(going by your assumption made in a previous post that is) Venus goldbots 2611(yesterday 2069) Xian 2497(down 20x from yesterday)

Just let the thread die, noones gonna be victorious here..:p It was fun while it lasted.

Edit...Forgot to mention this. Necro, you may say you dont have the time but there is a couple of hours a week when TPL doesnt run their bots. When they go offline the numbers(according to rev6) in server drop 450-700 spots. There must be a big gold buying population in venus if one company runs that many bots.

You've really embarrased yourself throughout this thread.

Embarrased? You don't know me very well then..lol All I did was state facts straight from the mouths of the gold companies. 2 Companies said Mercury was their biggest seller(And it just so happens Mercury is the lowest price per 10m for that site. Like I said, I havent gone by assumptions.

Embarrased... nah Disappointed...Yah

[PR0METHEUS]

Embarrased? You don't know me very well then..lol All I did was state facts straight from the mouths of the gold companies. 2 Companies said Mercury was their biggest seller(And it just so happens Mercury is the lowest price per 10m for that site. Like I said, I havent gone by assumptions.

Embarrased... nah Disappointed...Yah

Well you can't just generalize and say that if gold prices are low, then that must mean that a LOT of people buy gold. Mercury is a 'big seller', but is that in terms of the number of individual people that buy gold, or the amount of gold sold to a small handful of people?

Is it...

2,000 people buying 10m gold per month?
200 people buying 100m gold per month?
20 people buying 1bil gold per month?

Venus doesn't have to be the same as Mercury (lots of gold buyers = lots of unlegits = few legits) just because their gold prices are low.

Gold companies can likely 'screw' with the normal supply/demand curves because of how many servers they sell to. In normal business, the higher the demand, the higher the price of the item or service. (remember the gas station example?)

[deathtoall]

Thats cool man. I totally get what you are saying. Ya it could be 1 person buying 100m gold everyday(the same person over and over instead of 20 people) Venus Has its player bots, and we all know most of them run their own gold bots. Most of them probably buy gold as well(but thats just an assumption) So for the gold companies to be selling out almost daily its gotta be some fake legits buying it.(meaning they tell everyone they are legit, but secretly buy gold) Venus has 2 Legit Unions and enough legits to fill another union. Im including ours in the scattered other legits because we are a small union.

All of these guilds in all the unions arent even full. So you cant say venus has the most legits because there are other servers that have just as many legit guilds/unions/and or guildless legit peeps. Venus is just like any other server.

[PR0METHEUS]

Thats cool man. I totally get what you are saying. Ya it could be 1 person buying 100m gold everyday(the same person over and over instead of 20 people) Venus Has its player bots, and we all know most of them run their own gold bots. Most of them probably buy gold as well(but thats just an assumption) So for the gold companies to be selling out almost daily its gotta be some fake legits buying it.(meaning they tell everyone they are legit, but secretly buy gold) Venus has 2 Legit Unions and enough legits to fill another union. Im including ours in the scattered other legits because we are a small union.

All of these guilds in all the unions arent even full. So you cant say venus has the most legits because there are other servers that have just as many legit guilds/unions/and or guildless legit peeps. Venus is just like any other server.

You make some valid points, but Venus is not really just like any other server.

I can't think of any other server that has a group of legits that are taking nearly as much of a stand against bots as those in Venus are doing. Yes, there are bots in Venus, player and gold alike, but from what I've seen so far (I'm only level 10), bots aren't nearly as much of a problem as they are on servers like Venice.

I'm always seeing bot traps in Venus, hardly ever Venice. From what I understand, the bot community on Venus isn't as powerful as it is on Venice (and other servers). Avalon has the fortress. When is the last time a bot guild/union had it? I really can't say. Things just seem better, to me anyway, in Venus.

[/Pi]

Conclusion

I am not arguing any point except this: "There are too many variables required pertaining to each server to ascertain any FACTS to any of the questions that have been asked in this thread"

I've seen the relevance of your other points. However, I deemed them "Irrelevant, for now" because of this conclusion you just stated. There are so many factors involved, that stating as many of them as we can, will make the thread and the arguments pretty messy. I've even thought of just stating the server age, as that factor alone can already break deathtoall's conclusions.

Perhaps "Irrelevant" wasn't the right term. I apologize.

[Barotix]

Curious as well, just waiting for a reply.

.... Did you read Dom's post? Have you taken economics? A lot of people in this thread deserve cookies.

@Black, I was going to post but a few factors stopped me while I was typing: 1]DTAs way of discussing and 2] the number of variables involved in determining gold price per server in relation to Legits. AFAIK, you can't see a clear correlation between number of gold buyers and gold price because there are to many variables in the "formula". Arguments like this get long and confusing, so I try to avoid them.

[deathtoall]

That post was clearly meant for non. If you have read the thread you'd know that. What exactly do you mean by"my way of discussing"? Economics isnt all that hard to understand. We as consumers deal with it on a daily basis. But in this case the law of supply and demand does not apply. If people here cant see that then I don't know what to say. if the thread has become confusing and or useless, just lock the dam thing, I dont care. main reason i started this discussion was because night was talking out of her ass like she always does. But thats ok. Yall have a good day.

[Barotix]

That post was clearly meant for non. If you have read the thread you'd know that. What exactly do you mean by"my way of discussing"? Economics isnt all that hard to understand. We as consumers deal with it on a daily basis. But in this case the law of supply and demand does not apply. If people here cant see that then I don't know what to say. if the thread has become confusing and or useless, just lock the dam thing, I dont care. main reason i started this discussion was because night was talking out of her ass like she always does. But thats ok. Yall have a good day.

I read the whole thread and Prophet+Livithium are not posting about supply and demand. You're just ignoring their post because it conflicts with your argument, you haven't posted anything that proves how many legits are on venus. If the law of supply and demand doesn't apply, why are you basing your hypothesis off of it (incorrectly). This thread hasn't become confusing or useless, but If you continue on like this I can only guarantee one thing: You losing the argument. Non, won't post because he will 'burn' you and wants to avoid the consequences.