Why being Legit is better than Botting

[IceCrash]

Lol, that thing when ppl say "Ah you dont get stressed so much because you're not tired of bla bla bla bla"
That's just a bunch of big fokin bullshit.
If there werent any botters, most legits wouldnt be half stressed they are, cause they wouldnt be rushing things and etc.
Oh ffs come on.
If cheating barely existed, beeing legit would be normal. Even if ppl got stressed or drama was made, it wouldnt be as much as nowaydas among the legit comunities, because the goals are different and so the conditions as well.

[Casey613]

I bot but I'm not telling you guys because I'd get banned from Srf but I will make a very obvious list of why I bot

Fixed that for you

[Burningwolf]

I bot but I'm not telling you guys because I'd get banned from Srf but I will make a very obvious list of why I bot

Fixed that for you

lol

[Barotix]

-You get to a HIGHER level faster
-you make more gold
-People are much nicer as they havn't been stressed out by grinding nor have to deal with strenuous gold problems
-Fortress war
-Triangular trade
-Real pvp
-A life(optional)

I'll list out the logical fallacies:
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1. You don't need to be a higher level, if all were Legit there would only be a few high levels the majority would be high 4x with a minority of mid 6x and a extremely small amount (rare) of over 8x players. The players who hit above 8x deserve to be 8x, they spent the most time and money to reach that level. The provided the most revenue for the enjoyment of themselves and the rest of us. Ideally if everyone played the game like it was meant to be played this would be the population of the average server: 40% mid 4x - high 5x, 30% 1x - low 4x, 27% low 6x -high 6x, and 3% above 7x players.
2. Ideally you make the same gold a Legit would make, because you grind the same amount of time but the bot uses more hours out of the day meaning you'll be capped faster. The only reason you would have more gold is if you bought gold, which... well you should get it by now.
3. LOL, Legits are not stressed from grinding. I find grinding to be a relaxing experience I do to just chill, playing sro to me is the equivalent to playing any other game. Entertainment, a Hobby, and Fun. What stresses Legits are people like you that try to justify botting that just contributes to the problem.
4. Fort war was only recently added, and you don't need to be high level; if you refer to my first point. In the model SRO universe Fort war would mostly consist of 4x-6x players with maybe 10 8x players on a server of 3500. In your model (inferring it) It would require an abnormal amount of level 80s, but on a new server where botting is not a variable the amount of higher 7x+ players would be very low, but Euros change matters by giving people a fair chance against this small amount of Chinese higher levels. SRO isn't a hard game to level in, if you think it is then you suck at grinding.
5. Triangular Trade, refer to Fort war and point one.
6. PvP can be initiated at any level. Refer to Point one and three on why PvP can and will be initiated on any level if the ideal where applied.
7. Recommended: 8 hours of sleep, 24 hours in a day; 24-8 = 16, Recommended time to be spent on SRO (daily) to reach a decent level (52-64) in the Legit SRO Universe 3 hours, 16 - 3 = 13 hours. 13 hours of the day to do whatever, also (Take Note) The 3 hours do not have to be consecutive and can be done in any form. If you don't have 3 hours to spare then no biggie play 1 hour a day, in the Ideal SRO Universe the average play time is ~90 minutes so no need to worry about keeping up; most people will be around the same degree. Another matter, you and every other person who argues from the botter perspective (hopefully for the sake of discussion and not because one is a closet botter) are insinuating that if one spends a good amount of time playing a game they have no life. Well I'll flip it on you. Football is a game, according to your logic playing games or a game is equivalent to having no life. Now using your reason and logic one shouldn't engage in any leisure activities unless it involves going to a club of sorts and if you play games (Note*SRO is by definition a game) you are a no-lifer. Finally the matter of what is a life is subjective and varies from person to person.

[Burningwolf]

-You get to a HIGHER level faster
-you make more gold
-People are much nicer as they havn't been stressed out by grinding nor have to deal with strenuous gold problems
-Fortress war
-Triangular trade
-Real pvp
-A life(optional)

I'll list out the logical fallacies:
e

1. You don't need to be a higher level, if all were Legit there would only be a few high levels the majority would be high 4x with a minority of mid 6x and a extremely small amount (rare) of over 8x players. The players who hit above 8x deserve to be 8x, they spent the most time and money to reach that level. The provided the most revenue for the enjoyment of themselves and the rest of us. Ideally if everyone played the game like it was meant to be played this would be the population of the average server: 40% mid 4x - high 5x, 30% 1x - low 4x, 27% low 6x -high 6x, and 3% above 7x players.
2. Ideally you make the same gold a Legit would make, because you grind the same amount of time but the bot uses more hours out of the day meaning you'll be capped faster. The only reason you would have more gold is if you bought gold, which... well you should get it by now.
3. LOL, Legits are not stressed from grinding. I find grinding to be a relaxing experience I do to just chill, playing sro to me is the equivalent to playing any other game. Entertainment, a Hobby, and Fun. What stresses Legits are people like you that try to justify botting that just contributes to the problem.
4. Fort war was only recently added, and you don't need to be high level; if you refer to my first point. In the model SRO universe Fort war would mostly consist of 4x-6x players with maybe 10 8x players on a server of 3500. In your model (inferring it) It would require an abnormal amount of level 80s, but on a new server where botting is not a variable the amount of higher 7x+ players would be very low, but Euros change matters by giving people a fair chance against this small amount of Chinese higher levels. SRO isn't a hard game to level in, if you think it is then you suck at grinding.
5. Triangular Trade, refer to Fort war and point one.
6. PvP can be initiated at any level. Refer to Point one and three on why PvP can and will be initiated on any level if the ideal where applied.
7. Recommended: 8 hours of sleep, 24 hours in a day; 24-8 = 16, Recommended time to be spent on SRO (daily) to reach a decent level (52-64) in the Legit SRO Universe 3 hours, 16 - 3 = 13 hours. 13 hours of the day to do whatever, also (Take Note) The 3 hours do not have to be consecutive and can be done in any form. If you don't have 3 hours to spare then no biggie play 1 hour a day, in the Ideal SRO Universe the average play time is ~90 minutes so no need to worry about keeping up; most people will be around the same degree. Another matter, you and every other person who argues from the botter perspective (hopefully for the sake of discussion and not because one is a closet botter) are insinuating that if one spends a good amount of time playing a game they have no life. Well I'll flip it on you. Football is a game, according to your logic playing games or a game is equivalent to having no life. Now using your reason and logic one shouldn't engage in any leisure activities unless it involves going to a club of sorts and if you play games (Note*SRO is by definition a game) you are a no-lifer. Finally the matter of what is a life is subjective and varies from person to person.

for some reason that hurt my feelings

i suck =[

[Qosta420]

Wow.. you ever go out?I Lol'd at the diagram-like thing. I Lol'd real herd. You draw that thing?

Some people take this shit way too seriously.

rofl and that model was so abstract and fairly ment nothing because it was so contrived. that kind of reasoning does nothing either way to discourage or encourage botting it just goes nowhere. i understand that you feel so strongly against botting but this just seems like a half-truth garbage.

please dont take this as an personal insult though. i appoligize in advance if i do.

its just that i think making models like these kindof mock's the antibot argument

[Epic.Win]

^ My point exactly.

[Vacancy]

Do the right thing: Play Legit, its far more fun and better not only for you but for the game, company and others. Botting and Gold buying hurts you and others in the long run. Don't think of the short term gains. We can make a change, but only if we think in long term collective goals, rather than short term individual goals.

Who honestly cares about Joymax? They don't do anything for us, why should we do something for them?

Oh and you must have a lot of spare time, in-order to write that.

[Hellracer]

^^^^lol at the guy with "0x33.org" sig.

Anyways, lol i think the guy who started topic plays alittle bit too much Silkroad.. WHy do you think most botters say "Legits = got no life"

Posting a fu*kin book about how legits r better no wonder shiiiit..'
thats just IMO.

Just play the game, get a beer rofl at your essay on this. NERD

[italian_hero]

Great post Barotix, you have much time for write here but the problem it is only one: Joymax support the bots, dont ban and make money with gold/items. Stop post abouts bots, war to bots, guild legit and some other bullshit. Joymax is fraud and not professional "company" and players that support Joymax with silk are Pathetics. iSRO is the ONLY GAME IN THE WORLD where players must PAY for login and inside the 80% of the chars are ILLEGAL. Stop talk about war to bots and stop support Joymax.

[Hellraider]

Seriously, if you can't take the grind, go play WoW. I know people who don't get tired of grinding and can grind hours and hours, and those people are also the people who deserve to be high lvl because they work for it.

Guildie of mine grinded 1 day from 27% to lvlup at lvl75, and he's legit, and a blader, 0 gapping with premium+

[iGod]

Get rid of player bots and clientless will fill their spots on the servers and then you get 19 boring Farking Venuses. Your only salvation is buying premium...

[borat2]

^^^^lol at the guy with "0x33.org" sig.

Anyways, lol i think the guy who started topic plays alittle bit too much Silkroad.. WHy do you think most botters say "Legits = got no life"

Posting a fu*kin book about how legits r better no wonder shiiiit..'
thats just IMO.

Just play the game, get a beer rofl at your essay on this. NERD

well instead of making 1000reply to each topic he took the time to write a great post, we all should do that from time to time instead of spam each topic with ROFL, lOL OMG! and other random bullshit, probably took him less time than we waste replying on each random topic here.

just because its the Internet it does not mean you should never be serious from time to time.

gonna wait for the first decent reply from anyone to prove him wrong.

gold companies don't randomly spam servers with gold bots, they actually calculate their profit and sometimes not even connect certain gold bots and if we all did what the topic starter said the need of gold bot would be limited or zero anyway.
not close to 80 yet so can`t tell how the fun is on higher levels in venus but i do enjoy each day, usually connected on babel only when couple of my friends were available but i can connect on any time on venus and 90% of the time i am guaranteed to have "fun" hope it will be the same when i hit the cap.

[Barotix]

To Clarify the idiots who infer and lack reading comprehension.
Diagram: 4 Minutes
Text: 3 Minutes
Adding Code: 47 seconds

4+3=7+47 seconds = 7 minutes 47 seconds.
Hours spent playing SRO in the last week = 0 hours minutes and seconds.
Don't believe check my Xfire: ryukishinx5

Twats, apparently any person that does something slightly intellectual in regards to a video game is a no lifer. First off, I compel you closet botters to Define life, Secondly the sir with the 0x33 sig will be banned, and thirdly make a distinction: You don't have to play a game nor care for a game or community to state the facts based on a psychological analysis. SRO is fun, granted, but I barely play it. This analysis is Universal and applies to all gaming universes. It is the mentality of the weak to think you cannot manage a social life and take time for leisure and hobbies. Finally Fun and Life are both loaded words, don't use them; Every Human has a different category of what a life and fun is. I didn't condemn botting, I didn't slander botting, I didn't say it was morally wrong; quite frankly botting is cheating and there are no ifs ands or buts about it. I stated the facts and based on those facts came to what I believed would be an obvious conclusion for any Legit. You imbeciles always post the most ludicrous reason of why botting is better than playing a game maybe 30 minutes a day, well I posted why botting is the most idiotic concept ever concocted. In short, if you bot; question YOUR social life, because if you're so desperate to be seen as a high level character in a virtual world of no value to YOU then obviously there is something wrong with YOU. Maybe your self esteem isn't high enough so you seek a boost, but realizing you can't reach that boost in the real world you get so desperate that you must bot for the attention of others. Get over yourself, you selfish cunts. I don't take this game personal or seriously; its for fun, I play when I have time. Lately I haven't had time to play, so I don't play; I'm not so desperate for attention from people half away around the globe in something of apparent little value that I'm going to sacrafice my dignity and lose sight of what this is (a game). I'm not so desperate that I'm going to dump exponential amounts of Money into a botting program to be number one in something that apparently doesn't matter. There is no rationalization for cheating, if there were then I should be able to take steroids before the soccer regionals.

As Magisuns said before editing his post:

LOL, because he can make a good post?

@EpicWin, You must be referring to D2A; he was originally doing an analysis as well, but he lost himself and became the role he was simply pretending to be. Unless you can refute what I have posted with psychology then your justifications are skewed. Hmm, now I'm sure your Itonami. Changing your location directly after calling you out, eh Amber. To fishy.

Time spent typing this: 6 minutes.

[Hellracer]

To Clarify the idiots who infer and lack reading comprehension.
Diagram: 4 Minutes
Text: 3 Minutes
Adding Code: 47 seconds

4+3=7+47 seconds = 7 minutes 47 seconds.
Hours spent playing SRO in the last week = 0 hours minutes and seconds.
Don't believe check my Xfire: ryukishinx5

Twats, apparently any person that does something slightly intellectual in regards to a video game is a no lifer. First off, I compel you closet botters to Define life, Secondly the sir with the 0x33 sig will be banned, and thirdly make a distinction: You don't have to play a game nor care for a game or community to state the facts based on a psychological analysis. SRO is fun, granted, but I barely play it. This analysis is Universal and applies to all gaming universes. It is the mentality of the weak to think you cannot manage a social life and take time for leisure and hobbies. Finally Fun and Life are both loaded words, don't use them; Every Human has a different category of what a life and fun is. I didn't condemn botting, I didn't slander botting, I didn't say it was morally wrong; quite frankly botting is cheating and there are no ifs ands or buts about it. I stated the facts and based on those facts came to what I believed would be an obvious conclusion for any Legit. You imbeciles always post the most ludicrous reason of why botting is better than playing a game maybe 30 minutes a day, well I posted why botting is the most idiotic concept ever concocted. In short, if you bot; question YOUR social life, because if you're so desperate to be seen as a high level character in a virtual world of no value to YOU then obviously there is something wrong with YOU. Maybe your self esteem isn't high enough so you seek a boost, but realizing you can't reach that boost in the real world you get so desperate that you must bot for the attention of others. Get over yourself, you selfish cunts. I don't take this game personal or seriously; its for fun, I play when I have time. Lately I haven't had time to play, so I don't play; I'm not so desperate for attention from people half away around the globe in something of apparent little value that I'm going to sacrafice my dignity and lose sight of what this is (a game). I'm not so desperate that I'm going to dump exponential amounts of Money into a botting program to be number one in something that apparently doesn't matter. There is no rationalization for cheating, if there were then I should be able to take steroids before the social regionals.

As Magisuns said before editing his post:

LOL, because he can make a good post?

@EpicWin, You must be referring to D2A; he was originally doing an analysis as well, but he lost himself and became the role he was simply pretending to be. Unless you can refute what I have posted with psychology then your justifications are skewed.

Time spent typing this: 6 minutes.

el o el, who cares? i didnt read everything stopped at bann 0x33.org, i just say what comes to my mind at that moment, i really could care less what happens if im banned not banned hes banned or what people think of me on these forums... its a game its a forum not like im a kill myself over it. Dont take it personal kthx.

[Barotix]

@Hellracer the post wasn't directed to you. Do you have an 0x33 sig? NO - once again; reading comprehension pls.

[Hellracer]

@Hellracer the post wasn't directed to you. Do you have an 0x33 sig? NO - once again; reading comprehension pls.

oh ok.

aww my topic was deleted and im under investgation!! Oh noes..
most people like my topic accept 2 avalon noobs.

[Chess]

1. You don't need to be a higher level, if all were Legit there would only be a few high levels the majority would be high 4x with a minority of mid 6x and a extremely small amount (rare) of over 8x players. The players who hit above 8x deserve to be 8x, they spent the most time and money to reach that level. The provided the most revenue for the enjoyment of themselves and the rest of us. Ideally if everyone played the game like it was meant to be played this would be the population of the average server: 40% mid 4x - high 5x, 30% 1x - low 4x, 27% low 6x -high 6x, and 3% above 7x players.
2. Ideally you make the same gold a Legit would make, because you grind the same amount of time but the bot uses more hours out of the day meaning you'll be capped faster. The only reason you would have more gold is if you bought gold, which... well you should get it by now.
3. LOL, Legits are not stressed from grinding. I find grinding to be a relaxing experience I do to just chill, playing sro to me is the equivalent to playing any other game. Entertainment, a Hobby, and Fun. What stresses Legits are people like you that try to justify botting that just contributes to the problem.
4. Fort war was only recently added, and you don't need to be high level; if you refer to my first point. In the model SRO universe Fort war would mostly consist of 4x-6x players with maybe 10 8x players on a server of 3500. In your model (inferring it) It would require an abnormal amount of level 80s, but on a new server where botting is not a variable the amount of higher 7x+ players would be very low, but Euros change matters by giving people a fair chance against this small amount of Chinese higher levels. SRO isn't a hard game to level in, if you think it is then you suck at grinding.
5. Triangular Trade, refer to Fort war and point one.
6. PvP can be initiated at any level. Refer to Point one and three on why PvP can and will be initiated on any level if the ideal where applied.
7. Recommended: 8 hours of sleep, 24 hours in a day; 24-8 = 16, Recommended time to be spent on SRO (daily) to reach a decent level (52-64) in the Legit SRO Universe 3 hours, 16 - 3 = 13 hours. 13 hours of the day to do whatever, also (Take Note) The 3 hours do not have to be consecutive and can be done in any form. If you don't have 3 hours to spare then no biggie play 1 hour a day, in the Ideal SRO Universe the average play time is ~90 minutes so no need to worry about keeping up; most people will be around the same degree. Another matter, you and every other person who argues from the botter perspective (hopefully for the sake of discussion and not because one is a closet botter) are insinuating that if one spends a good amount of time playing a game they have no life. Well I'll flip it on you. Football is a game, according to your logic playing games or a game is equivalent to having no life. Now using your reason and logic one shouldn't engage in any leisure activities unless it involves going to a club of sorts and if you play games (Note*SRO is by definition a game) you are a no-lifer. Finally the matter of what is a life is subjective and varies from person to person.

I'm sorry I don't bot but this does seem to be missing a little logic. Try doing a trade run with 8 people that are level 4x - 6x. The result I've seen is one lvl 80 thief kills all of you or mroe than one. The lvl 80 clearly deserves to kill 8 people with very little difficulty since they spent more hours playing

Bots might grind on lower npc's giving more gold and less xp but over time equal xp. Bots also do not use quests to level up = more gold.

Grinding is fun if your not alone and haven't been sitting killing 1 thing for hours. Perhaps I am bad at it My crossbow grinds + 8 - 10 lvls above me and my bard gridns at even lvl.

On my server I get a generous 20% tax from FW that costs more gold to enter than a low level group can afford to pay. Low levels that are not European don't make a difference generally.

That said I agree with you on the no life point. Life is what you make of it.

I don't bot. My highest char is lvl 35 atm. Bottign is wrong but that doesn't mean they cannot have a valid point or two. Look at all the people complaing about sun's if a sun makes that much of a unfair diffrence what does 10 + levels do....

[Barotix]

1. You don't need to be a higher level, if all were Legit there would only be a few high levels the majority would be high 4x with a minority of mid 6x and a extremely small amount (rare) of over 8x players. The players who hit above 8x deserve to be 8x, they spent the most time and money to reach that level. The provided the most revenue for the enjoyment of themselves and the rest of us. Ideally if everyone played the game like it was meant to be played this would be the population of the average server: 40% mid 4x - high 5x, 30% 1x - low 4x, 27% low 6x -high 6x, and 3% above 7x players.
2. Ideally you make the same gold a Legit would make, because you grind the same amount of time but the bot uses more hours out of the day meaning you'll be capped faster. The only reason you would have more gold is if you bought gold, which... well you should get it by now.
3. LOL, Legits are not stressed from grinding. I find grinding to be a relaxing experience I do to just chill, playing sro to me is the equivalent to playing any other game. Entertainment, a Hobby, and Fun. What stresses Legits are people like you that try to justify botting that just contributes to the problem.
4. Fort war was only recently added, and you don't need to be high level; if you refer to my first point. In the model SRO universe Fort war would mostly consist of 4x-6x players with maybe 10 8x players on a server of 3500. In your model (inferring it) It would require an abnormal amount of level 80s, but on a new server where botting is not a variable the amount of higher 7x+ players would be very low, but Euros change matters by giving people a fair chance against this small amount of Chinese higher levels. SRO isn't a hard game to level in, if you think it is then you suck at grinding.
5. Triangular Trade, refer to Fort war and point one.
6. PvP can be initiated at any level. Refer to Point one and three on why PvP can and will be initiated on any level if the ideal where applied.
7. Recommended: 8 hours of sleep, 24 hours in a day; 24-8 = 16, Recommended time to be spent on SRO (daily) to reach a decent level (52-64) in the Legit SRO Universe 3 hours, 16 - 3 = 13 hours. 13 hours of the day to do whatever, also (Take Note) The 3 hours do not have to be consecutive and can be done in any form. If you don't have 3 hours to spare then no biggie play 1 hour a day, in the Ideal SRO Universe the average play time is ~90 minutes so no need to worry about keeping up; most people will be around the same degree. Another matter, you and every other person who argues from the botter perspective (hopefully for the sake of discussion and not because one is a closet botter) are insinuating that if one spends a good amount of time playing a game they have no life. Well I'll flip it on you. Football is a game, according to your logic playing games or a game is equivalent to having no life. Now using your reason and logic one shouldn't engage in any leisure activities unless it involves going to a club of sorts and if you play games (Note*SRO is by definition a game) you are a no-lifer. Finally the matter of what is a life is subjective and varies from person to person.

I'm sorry I don't bot but this does seem to be missing a little logic. Try doing a trade run with 8 people that are level 4x - 6x. The result I've seen is one lvl 80 thief kills all of you or mroe than one. The lvl 80 clearly deserves to kill 8 people with very little difficulty since they spent more hours playing

Bots might grind on lower npc's giving more gold and less xp but over time equal xp. Bots also do not use quests to level up = more gold.

Grinding is fun if your not alone and haven't been sitting killing 1 thing for hours. Perhaps I am bad at it My crossbow grinds + 8 - 10 lvls above me and my bard gridns at even lvl.

On my server I get a generous 20% tax from FW that costs more gold to enter than a low level group can afford to pay. Low levels that are not European don't make a difference generally.

That said I agree with you on the no life point. Life is what you make of it.

I don't bot. My highest char is lvl 35 atm. Bottign is wrong but that doesn't mean they cannot have a valid point or two. Look at all the people complaing about sun's if a sun makes that much of a unfair diffrence what does 10 + levels do....

Dieing is part of the game mate, and a zerked 4x 2h warrior or dagger rogue can kill a unfarmed 80. (excluding bladers and other warriors). Don't make a big deal of dieing, if you die, you die. When that trader suit is put on and you do a multi star with a couple of friends you're taking risk. Chances are you won't make it 100% of the time, but that is what makes the game fun. Level doesn't make much difference for Europeans, but as a chinese enthusiast I see your point. You gotta admit though, the level 80 was just doing his job. Dieing shouldn't compel one to bot - it should make you more dedicated to leveling, but not so dedicated that it becomes an addiction that consumes your paycheck and soul

[Epic.Win]

D2A = ?

[tehfireman]

wow nice post

[ShadowReaver]

I think u generalize all botters into one nation like every one do the same.. 24/7 bot,not buying silk, buying gold, multi clienting to farm gold etc.
but it's just not like that. some botter do buy silk, does know the market well, maybe use a second client just for stalling the many drops they get per a day. lets assume they just use the bot just cause they are lazy or whatever the reason they have chosen to bot for.
so according to this, some of them does helps in funding the game and does not take slots in the game cause not all of them multi client. it's just the same as many legits dont buy silk. if you take the amount of legits that buy silk and amount of botters that buy silk the result wouldnt be so different.
if the situation with botters has stayed like this so far without any change, i guess joymax did their own calculations and came to the consequence that it's not so bad for them.. joymax doesnt care about the community, they care about their income.
my 50 cent.

[Barotix]

if you take the amount of legits that buy silk and amount of botters that buy silk the result wouldnt be so different.

I'm going to focus on this part because I agree partly (not 100%) with the bulk of your post, but if there were no botters Joymax would make far more money. Meh I'll explain any way, I got 10 minutes to spar.

Euphoria is defined as the Highest Level of self satisfaction, from a business perspective you want customers that will get close and never actually reach it.

Now that I have set up the Model:

A silk buying botter will bring in less revenue than a Legit silk buyer over time, because it takes less time and effort for the botter to cap thus consuming less silk. I would make a chart to show it in practice, but some people may be so awed and amazed by it that it will cause their fingers to spasm to the point of typing utter nonsense, alas I am a sucker for nonsense rebuttals. I'll try to explain via text to the best of my ability.

The botter, on average, will take 2-3 and 1/2 months to cap with silk. The Legit will take about 4-6 months. Now assuming they both went the whole nine yards, who do you think will bring Joymax the most revenue and stay the longest after capping?

The only advantage Botters have are their numbers, given that, if you were to set it on an equal playing Field (e.g.) say 12 silk buying botters VS 12 silk buying Legits. I'll complete this momentarilly I'm at war with Persia in Civ IV BtS and Persia just captured Berlin again

EDIT: Joymax has terrible marketers and programmers, take one look at the situation of iSRO and thats all you need to know about those divisions within Joymax. If they cared so much about income they would use a different strategy and seek help from a psychologist in order to take advantages of the weaknesses presented by every human. In short; Joymax is Incompetent

EDIT: To show you on a small scale I made an Illustration, sometimes its easier when you can see it than imagining it. Remember this is a small scale demonstration that is extremely simple between One Legit silk buyer and one Botting silk buyer.



Now apply this to SRO's situation and you can come to the conclusion that one Legit silk buyer is more valuable than one Legit Botter (assuming they bought the same silk items). Yes there are variables, but for simplicity's sake that graph should suffice . In the real SRO world, the gap would be FAR greater and the consumption of silk would not stop with the cap. Come to think of it entering into the F2P buisness has one of two results 1]Total failure or 2]Complete success. Joymax is on the edge of EPIC PHAIL XD

Another matter, most bots level through bot cards. Normally they would log in without requiring silk and be done, but because there are log in problesm due to some of their contemporaries and goldbuyers - they need an assured Log-In. Granted; a silver premium gives that assured Log In for the price of 15 USD. LAWL come to think of it... SRO is more expensive than WoW (which is pretty cheap IMO).

Woot: Biggest EDIT:

Catagories of Silk payments:
All Expendables such as globals will be bought in packs of 10.
There are more models than 5 but I used the most utilized ones for simplicity.

M1 Legit is the Legit that believes he shouldn't have to pay to log in, but will still buy a marginal amount of silk.
Silk Buying Legit (M1):
Month One: 88silk + 130 Silk + 30 Silk + 130 Silk + 140 Silk + 78 Silk + 130 = 728 Silk = 72.8 USD
Following Months for 5 months: 48 Silk + 78 Silk + 130 Silk + 130 = 386 Silk = 38.6 USD
Total Time: 6 year
Total Silk Spent (Excluding end-game silk and "others"): 2658 = 265.8 USD

M2 doesn't mind paying to log in.
Silk Buying Legit (M2):
Month One: 88silk + 130 Silk + 30 Silk + 130 Silk + 140 Silk + 78 Silk + 200 Silk = 796 silk = 79.60 USD
Following Months for 5 months: 48 Silk + 78 Silk + 200 Silk + 130 Silk = 456 silk = 45.60 USD
Total Time: 6 months
Total Silk Spent (Excluding end-game silk and "others": 307.60 USD = 3076 Silk

M3 goes the whole nine yards and wants every benefit he can get
Silk Buying Legit (M3):
Month One: 88silk + 130 Silk + 30 Silk + 130 Silk + 140 Silk + 78 Silk + 290 Silk = 886 = 88.60 USD
Following Months for 3 months: 48 Silk + 78 Silk + 290 Silk + 130 Silk = 546 = 54.60 USD
Total Time: 4 months
Total Silk Spent (Excluding end-game silk and "others"): 252.40 USD = 2524 Silk.

Silk Buying Legit (Average):
Month One: 803 Silk = 80.30 USD
Following Months for 4 months: 462 Silk = 46.20 USD
Total Average Time: 5 Months
Total Average Silk (excluding end-game silk and "others"): 2651 Silk = 265.1 USD

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Model One Only needs the Log in and Globals.
Botter (M1):
Month One: 150 Silk + 130 Silk = 280 silk = 28.00 USD
Following Months for 4 months: 150 Silk + 130 Silk = 280 silk = 28.00 USD
Total Time: 5 months
Total Silk Spent (excluding end-game silk and "others"): 1400 Silk = 140.0 USD

Botter (M2):
Month One: 88silk + 130 Silk + 30 Silk + 130 Silk + 140 Silk + 78 Silk + 290 Silk = 886 = 88.60 USD
Following Months for two months: 290 Silk + 130 Silk = 420 silk = 42.00 USD
Total Time: 3 Months
Total Silk Spent (excluding end game silk and "others"): 1726 Silk = 172.6 USD

Botter (Average):
Month One: 583 Silk = 58.30 USD
Following Months for 3 months: 350 Silk = 35.00 USD
Total Average Time: 4 months
Total Average Silk (excluding end-game silk and "others'): 1633 Silk = 163.30 USD

Botter Average VS Legit Average Over an extended period of time, Conclusion: 265.1 USD > 172.6 USD

There is one flaw in this example, I wonder who will catch it first
Note* I'm prepared for your counter-argument when you expose the one major flaw.

[Stephanus]

Congrats Barotix:)
BTW, this topic is like a grenade.


ps: im still not ready with my drafts :/

[Barotix]

Congrats Barotix:)
BTW, this topic is like a grenade.


ps: im still not ready with my drafts :/

In due time,

[Anotherplyer]

D2A = ?

Death2all


anyways, very thought out post Barotix, nice job.

[STARNATION]

Cheat to Win.

[fimmwolf]

A botter and his cheating sheep



**Notice the korean URL!!!.......LOL

[magisuns]

whats a closet botter?

They are ppl that say " I'M LEGIT BLABLA " they though actually bot but they try to hide it. Mainly the *non-afk botters* do this

[Stephanus]

A botter and his cheating sheep

*this was a pic*

**Notice the korean URL!!!.......LOL

Not fair
I got a hiccup :p


Second part:
Addiction:
A legit is addicted and is accepting the whole game, not just the parts he like(just to pvp -> go and play guildwars), and as he grinds he WILL buy more silk. To login, for pet, etc. Two or three stages has this addiction.
1. Oh, i like this game but i WONT PAY FOR IT DAMIT!
2. Accepting the deadly cuteness "awwww a golden piiiig"
3. Becoming fully addicted "ok, im not sleeping tonight, i have to reach 90%"
He buys arrows, pots, reverse scrolls, ress scrolls, and so on.
Believe, you WILL buy silk if you are addicted.
And this is the most important part. As appears, jm cant handle this phenomena as do lots of players who bot.