RUN 2 SRO AT ONCE ( NOT MULTI CLIENT )

[Gaigemasta]

you could use Virtual PC as well, becuase I'm running a Pentium Quad-Core with 2 SLI Enabled 8800 with 8 GB of ram, and I run VPC but you'll need a plug-in to enable video ram and 3d acceleration to work, but VP is a much lighter alternative and work much better, but you'll want 512mb of ram, 128mb of video ram (onboards not recommended at least a ATI 9600) lol, b ut run to VPC consoles, with my vista, my xp pro, and xp mce and I work with all my characters.

[Gaigemasta]

lol and also, I have a P4 512 with the 9600 card, and I run my nice flat panel and co-run these two pcs so I can watch two accounts at once.


P4 PC:
Silkroad/2

but I did some modifications on my windows so It'll use less memory, and use ur routers firewall so u dont need to use norton or mcaffe etc etc it saves load of memory


QUAD-CORE
Silkroad/4
plus xfire
trillian
limewire
steam
and sometimes HL2 if im bored

[Matrixman__]

you could use Virtual PC as well, becuase I'm running a Pentium Quad-Core with 2 SLI Enabled 8800 with 8 GB of ram, and I run VPC but you'll need a plug-in to enable video ram and 3d acceleration to work, but VP is a much lighter alternative and work much better, but you'll want 512mb of ram, 128mb of video ram (onboards not recommended at least a ATI 9600) lol, b ut run to VPC consoles, with my vista, my xp pro, and xp mce and I work with all my characters.

please direct me to the plugin for Virtual Pc, i tried that one too, but it defaults to a 4mb unsupported video card...and SRO really doesnt like that

[CoBRa`]

you could use Virtual PC as well, becuase I'm running a Pentium Quad-Core with 2 SLI Enabled 8800 with 8 GB of ram, and I run VPC but you'll need a plug-in to enable video ram and 3d acceleration to work, but VP is a much lighter alternative and work much better, but you'll want 512mb of ram, 128mb of video ram (onboards not recommended at least a ATI 9600) lol, b ut run to VPC consoles, with my vista, my xp pro, and xp mce and I work with all my characters.

please direct me to the plugin for Virtual Pc, i tried that one too, but it defaults to a 4mb unsupported video card...and SRO really doesnt like that

keep me updated how u get on matrixman , and hopefully u can make me a walkthrough on what i need to d/l etc thnx

my pc specs btw are p4 3ghz 1gb ram 128mb 6600gt dono if that will be enough or not but hopefully someone can tell me

[ddcc]

Dealing with VM's is pretty complicated stuff. It's not recommended to just install them without actually understanding how they work or how they modify your computer. After all, there have been bugs found in VMware's software that lets a machine running inside the virtual machine detect whether the machine is virtual or not (Rutkowska's Red Pill, etc), and possibly even break out of the virtual machine to modify your system.

[ekamatje]

Hey i got a question
I got the vmware installed. Then win xp pro on the virtual machine, and also installed direct x and silkroad on the virtual machine. But everytime i start silkroad on the virtual machine the whole virtual machine crashes with a bsod right after silkroad starts the full screen thing.
Can someone please help me on this?

[PR0METHEUS]

Actually for the past 3 or 4 days I've been running SRO in Linux. I know Linux seems better at handling multiple users on the system at the same time. So I would imagine you could just run two different installations of SRO from two different users.

1. Create two users - SROuser1, SROuser2
2. Install wine (apt-get install wine, rpm -ivh wine, yum wine, emerge wine, or similar....)
3. Log in as SROuser1 and run 'winecfg' to configure wine for that user.
3a. Repeate winecfg under the SROuser2 account.
4. Install SRO twice, once on each of SROuser1 and SROuser2.
5. You'd have to give both SROuser1 and SROuser2 access to the X server display of whatever user you have logged into X <---- not exactly sure how to do that, something with xauth maybe?
6. Open a terminal for each user (on two different virtual desktops) and run 'wine $HOME/.wine/c_drive/Program\ Files/Silkroad/silkroad.exe'

I haven't tried it yet, but I'd imagine that would give you two different SRO clients running under each of the SRO user accounts, one on each desktop.

Combine that with Beryl and you could CTRL-ALT-LeftMouse drag to spin the cube between the two SRO clients

I'd try this myself if I was home, but I'm not. This is just something I came up with off the top of my head. Might work with some tweaking.

[the_wicked]

uhh......easier solution = just buy a decent laptop >.>

(i have no clue what they are saying.....computers are not my forte)

[Gaigemasta]

well this plug-in I found was a while back, I'll try to host it for you guys so you guys can use it (it's free so no pirating was involved) but yah, this will let you go into the VPC bios and change the onboard video ram, which is actually your video card's I recommend if you're running at least a 128mb then you run a 64mb share.

but im at school right now [intro to CIS] and I cant host, but I'll host it from my pc so you can have a uptime as long as you need!! woot woot!!

edit (run half of w/e your video card, 512 then 256 , 1gb then 512 simple as that lol)

[Deacon]

So it is possible to run more SRO's on 1 pc? :o

Someone make a good explanation so we can give it also a try

[Gaigemasta]

Ok I'll try a step by step tutorial.


Go to http://www.microsoft.com/windows/produc ... fault.mspx to get VPC (Virtual PC)

Now You'll need to convert your windows CD into a ISO (try at least windows 2000) I'll due further research on how to convert it

Install VPC 2007, and then install the patch afterwards, which I will provide shortly

I highly recommend you to restart your pc so you can have the smoothest results

Then open VPC and make a Profile

Insert your ISO

then when the console loads press DEL i think and go modify the video's ram

install windows, update it, and make your sure your connectivity is ran under SAT (SHARED NETWORK CONNECTION)

then install silkroad, I advise you to put it on a flash drive so you wont need to re-download it again

and then knock urself out, but you can't access the same user account at once


sry I tried, and cant wait PEP RALLY WOOOT WOOT LOL

[PR0METHEUS]

So it is possible to run more SRO's on 1 pc? :o

Someone make a good explanation so we can give it also a try

I still don't like the idea of having to emulate the ENTIRE operating system under a virtual machine just to run a second SRO client. That's a lot of extra computer resources used up.

I like my idea of using multiple user accounts in Linux better. I posted it above. It's just an educated theory, but might work with some tweaking.

Edit: At least my idea doesn't involve installing a complete operating system on top of your current OS.

[Gaigemasta]

yah, but linux runs exes as good as bush ran the us this past 4 years, lol I tried to run a simple exe that I made and it still didn't work, if u really want SRO lagging that much then thats good

[Gaigemasta]

and you dont install a os on a os, you install a os on hardrive which is partitioned from the os

[Gaigemasta]

and for my triple post tehhehehe


yah the Cube, ahh i forget what it's called, but that takes a shizz load of gpu processing and if you want to buy a $200 card to run it smoothly, then fine but do the free and easy way, which is the VMware and my way, it ould run the smoothest

[PR0METHEUS]

yah, but linux runs exes as good as bush ran the us this past 4 years, lol I tried to run a simple exe that I made and it still didn't work, if u really want SRO lagging that much then thats good

Not to flame, but you have that problem with linux because of your lack of knowledge of how Linux works. It's not that Linux can't run .exe files. Linux can do it just fine, if that .exe is compiled for Linux. It's a different operating system, just like Mac OS X is a different operating system.

If you code the software for Linux, it will work great. As for running SRO in Linux, no it doesn't run natively. You would run SRO under Wine under Linux. Wine is a port of the Windows API to Linux. "Wine is not an emulator".

SRO runs nicely under Wine with very few problems.

and you dont install a os on a os, you install a os on hardrive which is partitioned from the os

From your posts, we're talking about VMware. When I said 'install an os on an os, I meant installing an OS as a guest OS under VMware. Namely, install VMware Server on your XP box, then within VMware, create a virtual machine, and install a second copy of XP inside that... and then install SRO inside the second XP. That's a LOT of overhead just to run a second SRO client.

and for my triple post tehhehehe


yah the Cube, ahh i forget what it's called, but that takes a shizz load of gpu processing and if you want to buy a $200 card to run it smoothly, then fine but do the free and easy way, which is the VMware and my way, it ould run the smoothest

The cube I use in Linux (well it's much more than just a cube) is Beryl. Bery runs just fine on my system.

AMD Athlon XP 3200+
512 MB RAM
200 GB Hard Drive
nVIDIA FX 5200 AGP card

Hardly a "top of the line" system or a "$200 card".

And if you want to talk about the "free" way, your way is not free. Technically you would need separate licenses for BOTH Windows XP instances you'll have running (the host OS and the guest OS under VMware).

I can guarantee you that if I set up my box (or any box) your way (i.e., Windows XP - VMWare - Windows XP - SRO) and compared it to my way, running both instances of SRO on the same OS under different user accounts, my way would run much smoother.

I know for a fact my client runs a lot smoother under Linux then it does under XP (and that's without adding the extra overhead of running a second client, let alone a second OS.

Sorry for the long post.

[Matrixman__]

Ok I'll try a step by step tutorial.


Go to http://www.microsoft.com/windows/produc ... fault.mspx to get VPC (Virtual PC)

Now You'll need to convert your windows CD into a ISO (try at least windows 2000) I'll due further research on how to convert it

Install VPC 2007, and then install the patch afterwards, which I will provide shortly

I highly recommend you to restart your pc so you can have the smoothest results

Then open VPC and make a Profile

Insert your ISO

then when the console loads press DEL i think and go modify the video's ram

install windows, update it, and make your sure your connectivity is ran under SAT (SHARED NETWORK CONNECTION)

then install silkroad, I advise you to put it on a flash drive so you wont need to re-download it again

and then knock urself out, but you can't access the same user account at once


sry I tried, and cant wait PEP RALLY WOOOT WOOT LOL

cool, cant wait to try that when i get home from work, also, just make ur silkroad folder a shared folder and copy and paste the whole folder into ur virtual pc, sro doesnt install any system files or registry...so copy and paste the folder works great

[PR0METHEUS]

cool, cant wait to try that when i get home from work, also, just make ur silkroad folder a shared folder and copy and paste the whole folder into ur virtual pc, sro doesnt install any system files or registry...so copy and paste the folder works great

Actually it does create a few registry keys, but it does that when the client starts up. Still, as you suggested, you can copy/paste the SRO folder into the VM.

Specifically, SRO creates a registry key for which server you last logged into. May be others.

[MrFudge]

hmm i wanna try this, but how exactly do i do this step...

II. Add the following to the configuration (.vmx) file for the virtual machine:
mks.enable3d = TRUE


do i have to open the .vmx file somehow and paste the line in there?
im confused.

[Matrixman__]

hmm i wanna try this, but how exactly do i do this step...

II. Add the following to the configuration (.vmx) file for the virtual machine:
mks.enable3d = TRUE


do i have to open the .vmx file somehow and paste the line in there?
im confused.

right click on the .vmx file and go to open with and select to open with notepad, add the text in and save

[ddcc]

Promethus does have a pretty good point. Emulating an entire operating system along with VMWare's overhead is very inefficient. Pretty much going the VMWare route is overkill. Especially since VMWare loads the hqtray.exe for all users at system startup, the VMWare DHCP service, the Virtual Mount service, and a bunch more that all load at startup. Plus the USB drivers, the additional virtual network connections, and the multitude of other drivers. Further, I've found out that VMWare doesn't install cleanly, leaving drivers that impact performance.

Gaige's argument that linux doesn't run exe's is totally flawed. It might not run exe's by default, but all you have to do is sudo apt-get install wine. It's the equivalent of saying Windows doesn't run Silkroad because Silkroad isn't installed by default. And further, Silkroad works fine, especially now that everything shows up (see http://appdb.winehq.org and search for Silkroad Online to find screenshots).

Furthermore, Gaige, you appear to have little experience with GNU/Linux at all. The cube does not "takes a shizz load of gpu processing." My system is slightly older than Promethus's (AMD Athlon 2400+ w/512MB PC2100), yet it does the cube fine, even though my NVIDIA FX 5200 is running at 4x AGP instead of the maximum 8x. Although I doubt that the Cube will be operating smoothly with two Silkroad's open at the same time.

Virtual machines are also not very stable. They haven't been widely used for a while, and they're insecure. You can exploit bugs in the hypervisor to run code on the physical machine, and you can also detect virtual machines quite easily.

Licensing is also a big issue, especially with Vista, where only Business Edition or Ultimate can be run in a virtual machine. Vista only lets you install it once too, and subsequent installations are marked as non-genuine. I found this out after installing Vista Business in a virtual machine first to test it out, then physically installed it.

And at any rate, Silkroad really isn't the epitome of good programming. That GameGuard crap won't uninstall with Silkroad, it remains on your system and it can be exploited by any process to obtain system privileges (Secunia).

MrFudge: Yes, that's how you do it. You open the *.vmx file with notepad or whatever, then add that line.

However, with VMWare, you will need to install VMWare Tools (only available with Workstation) or you will experience a SIGNIFICANT performance hit, especially in the networking and graphics realm where you are limited to 800x640 resolution, if I remember correctly.

[MrFudge]

w00t thanks guys

[PR0METHEUS]

Promethus does have a pretty good point. Emulating an entire operating system along with VMWare's overhead is very inefficient. Pretty much going the VMWare route is overkill. Especially since VMWare loads the hqtray.exe for all users at system startup, the VMWare DHCP service, the Virtual Mount service, and a bunch more that all load at startup. Plus the USB drivers, the additional virtual network connections, and the multitude of other drivers. Further, I've found out that VMWare doesn't install cleanly, leaving drivers that impact performance.

Gaige's argument that linux doesn't run exe's is totally flawed. It might not run exe's by default, but all you have to do is sudo apt-get install wine. It's the equivalent of saying Windows doesn't run Silkroad because Silkroad isn't installed by default. And further, Silkroad works fine, especially now that everything shows up (see http://appdb.winehq.org and search for Silkroad Online to find screenshots).

Furthermore, Gaige, you appear to have little experience with GNU/Linux at all. The cube does not "takes a shizz load of gpu processing." My system is slightly older than Promethus's (AMD Athlon 2400+ w/512MB PC2100), yet it does the cube fine, even though my NVIDIA FX 5200 is running at 4x AGP instead of the maximum 8x. Although I doubt that the Cube will be operating smoothly with two Silkroad's open at the same time.

Virtual machines are also not very stable. They haven't been widely used for a while, and they're insecure. You can exploit bugs in the hypervisor to run code on the physical machine, and you can also detect virtual machines quite easily.

Licensing is also a big issue, especially with Vista, where only Business Edition or Ultimate can be run in a virtual machine. Vista only lets you install it once too, and subsequent installations are marked as non-genuine. I found this out after installing Vista Business in a virtual machine first to test it out, then physically installed it.

And at any rate, Silkroad really isn't the epitome of good programming. That GameGuard crap won't uninstall with Silkroad, it remains on your system and it can be exploited by any process to obtain system privileges (Secunia).

MrFudge: Yes, that's how you do it. You open the *.vmx file with notepad or whatever, then add that line.

However, with VMWare, you will need to install VMWare Tools (only available with Workstation) or you will experience a SIGNIFICANT performance hit, especially in the networking and graphics realm where you are limited to 800x640 resolution, if I remember correctly.

Thank you! Very well said.

[Deacon]

Im more interested in the Linux part. I always wanted to try installing linux to my pc as a second boot ( Windows and Linux ). To try wine and run multie times SRO. I never really tried it.. Maybe I should

[ddcc]

Deacon: You can use a livecd and boot off of that to experiment with Linux without modifying your current Windows partition.

Gaige: What I find funny is that you're implying that your method is the "free and easy way" that works smoothly when you need a quad core CPU and SLI NVIDIA graphics cards that cost $200+

[daemon220]

THIS IS MADNESS!!!!!!!

This is Spartaaa

lol THIS IS SRF!!!

[Nixie]

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3118 ... 303li5.png

Uhm.... what should that error mean? I didn everythig you said, but I'm still getting this error (before I didn't get it at all).

[Gaigemasta]

most likely your card or your settings, or you may want to try to re-install it because I think OpenGL runs automatically, I dont exactly know because im not experinced with VMware



and I use Berry, Puppy, BackTrack Linux and I write multiple programs in python, I'm currently working a gaming linux designed for multiple games at once, but what it needs to lack is a beautiful GUI, what I'm trying to do, is make it like a Kernel but you can type in commands like root/usr/sro/sro.exe "runem" or sumthin like that but it has the power to run exe's and other stuff, and how the silkroad open screen opens it will be like this I named it GMLinux because the first 3 letters are my intials, but later on I'm gonna try to make it like a BIOS menu design so it can be more user friendly, but it works at least!!!

[EDIT] ALSO, you'll need a valid windows to run the emulator, due to copyright issues, but I'm afraid people are going to run the directories through a ftp server, but I will find away to get around it, so you need windows installed on your hardrive at least 2000/xp

[Gaigemasta]

but I can do this all on my lower end pc as well, P4, ATI 9600, 512mb ram
thats low standards to today, lol with my quad-care and stuff, i can run multiple games like hl2, sro, q3, and ssse and more if i wanted to

[Gaigemasta]

you can have a slow card but depends on how you use it, a 4x is fine of course my 9600 runs through a 8x, but run 6 pros on the cube, but to run it purely WITHOUT ANY LAG!!!!!!!!!!! NOTE LAG!!!!!!!! i've used it on my lower-end pc and it lags, and im running max everything "no overclocking" and it lags, but on my quad it runs nicely and smooth, I'll try a amd 3600+ with a x200 onboard with a 1gb of ram and see how the runs, it just may be the processor, but I'll do multpile test with each of your theories and I'll include mine, and run it 3 multiple pcs with all different specs, to see which one works the best, It'll take a week to gain results but I'll do my best