The real truth about disjointing SOS and Blues (and my set)

4-n-zics · Post by **4-n-zics** » Sat May 05, 2007 12:53 am

I've gotten 2 8D lucky stones from a 64 weapon with 3 or 4 blues. I have also gotten 4 stacks of elements and 4 stones from one level 72 weapon wiht one blue. It is pretty much all random.

EsQuiRe · Post by **EsQuiRe** » Sat May 05, 2007 3:40 am

seriously dont waste disjointing 8th deg items unless u really need earth 8 or lucky stones. i got 2 many elements right now that no one seems to want to buy

desolator144 · Post by **desolator144** » Sat May 05, 2007 3:49 am

well, I had some money lying around as always so I just disjointed 3 8D items I got off stalls in hotan with tons of blues and got a whopping 0 stones. Then I found 4 cheap 7D ones with okay blues and got 0 stones. I did some more lvl 6 stuff cuz I had to finish some 6D str tabs and got 0 stones. I know you're gonna say I didn't do enough but it seems to my like you've all exaggerated just a hair at least.
Btw I saw 2 8D lucky stones in a stall lol

btw I'm good on 1-6 but can anyone tell me which 7 and 8 are in high demand plz?

EsQuiRe · Post by **EsQuiRe** » Sat May 05, 2007 3:52 am

lvl 7 elements are extremely cheap...only real one of value u may need is fire 7 (thats from personal experience). water 8 and earth 8 are the most valuable so hold on to those. also stock pile earth 6, wind 2 and 4.

Meow · Post by **Meow** » Sat May 05, 2007 4:06 am

I've never gotten stones from breaking gears/weapons. I'm so unlucky

desolator144 · Post by **desolator144** » Sat May 05, 2007 4:28 am

MADD wrote:lvl 7 elements are extremely cheap...only real one of value u may need is fire 7 (thats from personal experience). water 8 and earth 8 are the most valuable so hold on to those. also stock pile earth 6, wind 2 and 4.

do 7D type ppl not do alchemy? lol. Anyway, about how much do earth and water 8 sell for? I estimate I have to get at least 1.75k each to break even, geeze

Meow · Post by **Meow** » Sat May 05, 2007 4:55 am

Hey! desolator! I remember buying elements from you in DW! (random)

reader · Post by **reader** » Sat May 05, 2007 5:25 am

desolator144 wrote:well, I had some money lying around as always so I just disjointed 3 8D items I got off stalls in hotan with tons of blues and got a whopping 0 stones. Then I found 4 cheap 7D ones with okay blues and got 0 stones. I did some more lvl 6 stuff cuz I had to finish some 6D str tabs and got 0 stones. I know you're gonna say I didn't do enough but it seems to my like you've all exaggerated just a hair at least.

haha. you are just unlucky. i just disjointed two lvl 64 white weapons and got a stone off each one. haha. make sure you are doing weapons! iv egotten like 20 stones off of maybe 25 8th degree weapons. and its always nice to get that lucky stone. i made 10mil profit selling two lucky stones yesterday. haha

desolator144 · Post by **desolator144** » Sat May 05, 2007 5:49 am

Meow wrote:Hey! desolator! I remember buying elements from you in DW! (random)

lol, come buy all my stupid 7-8D ones now.

haha. you are just unlucky

that I already knew

iv egotten like 20 stones off of maybe 25 8th degree weapons

and I'm veeeeery sure that's BS cuz not only don't I believe you could afford that nor would you get that many drops, but I also don't think you would put them all into elements instead of getting some nice NPC gold for them. You say " i made 10mil profit selling two lucky stones yesterday" but to do that, I assume off the 25 items, you'd have to sell each stone for about 23.75 million. That doesn't even make sense. If U meant U got 2 luck stones off the 2 items you just disjointed, that's still about 6.5 mil per stone and the ones I saw were cheaper than that and still unsold so that's kinda a bit much too.

lovemyg35 · Post by **lovemyg35** » Sat May 05, 2007 2:41 pm

i've gotten anywhere from 2-4 stones from breaking 1 8D weapon. its all random but weapons usually give u the most stones/elements. everyone is telling u what they got from breaking but you call them liars cause you didn't get the same result. LOL

btw there is no such thing as a lucky tab and if u still believe that there is. u truely are a noob since everyone here is telling u there is no such thing as a lucky tab

reader · Post by **reader** » Sat May 05, 2007 2:51 pm

desolator144 wrote:
iv egotten like 20 stones off of maybe 25 8th degree weapons

and I'm veeeeery sure that's BS cuz not only don't I believe you could afford that nor would you get that many drops, but I also don't think you would put them all into elements instead of getting some nice NPC gold for them. You say " i made 10mil profit selling two lucky stones yesterday" but to do that, I assume off the 25 items, you'd have to sell each stone for about 23.75 million. That doesn't even make sense. If U meant U got 2 luck stones off the 2 items you just disjointed, that's still about 6.5 mil per stone and the ones I saw were cheaper than that and still unsold so that's kinda a bit much too.

well youre absolutely right. i did get 2 lucky stones off of two weapons. paid about 1.2m for each weapon and got a lucky stone off each one. sold them for a little bit more than 6mil each. see on alps server a good price for lucky stone is around 5.5m-7m. so next time dont say BS until you know your information. why the hell would i lie about something like that.

desolator144 · Post by **desolator144** » Sat May 05, 2007 5:11 pm

btw there is no such thing as a lucky tab and if u still believe that there is. u truely are a noob since everyone here is telling u there is no such thing as a lucky tab

reeeeally cuz everyone in game tells me they do exist. Oh yeah and I saw one once. It was a lvl 4 or 5 one and I distinctly remember paying attention to it because it required very strange amounts and levels of elements to make into a stone
Lol, okay so you got two lucky stones in a row, which the odds of that happening are like 1 in 1000000, and you wonder why I think you're lying lol. It sounds about like the odds of getting any stone are 1 in 5 on the best bluest items, 8D. So that's 1 in 25 odds combines so far. Then there's like 20 types of stones so it'd have to be a luck one each time which brings to odds of that happening up to 1 in 10,000. That's about the same odds that you bought a scratch off lottery ticket and won a second or third place prize. In other words, it's pretty much impossible. If luck stones were created that often, everyone would have one.

borat2 · Post by **borat2** » Sat May 05, 2007 5:39 pm

desolator144 wrote:
btw there is no such thing as a lucky tab and if u still believe that there is. u truely are a noob since everyone here is telling u there is no such thing as a lucky tab

reeeeally cuz everyone in game tells me they do exist. Oh yeah and I saw one once. It was a lvl 4 or 5 one and I distinctly remember paying attention to it because it required very strange amounts and levels of elements to make into a stone
Lol, okay so you got two lucky stones in a row, which the odds of that happening are like 1 in 1000000, and you wonder why I think you're lying lol. It sounds about like the odds of getting any stone are 1 in 5 on the best bluest items, 8D. So that's 1 in 25 odds combines so far. Then there's like 20 types of stones so it'd have to be a luck one each time which brings to odds of that happening up to 1 in 10,000. That's about the same odds that you bought a scratch off lottery ticket and won a second or third place prize. In other words, it's pretty much impossible. If luck stones were created that often, everyone would have one.

its random like anything that has to do with alchemy in this game .
you can get 10 luck stones out of 10 items or you can get 0 out of 10
PLAIN RANDOM LUCK.
so stop your silly theory about it.
People usually are mistaken with luck stones and tablets and that way they confuse you and make you believe in your own lies.
there are luck tablets, immortal and astral but i am pretty sure none has been made available in isro yet.

desolator144 · Post by **desolator144** » Sat May 05, 2007 6:06 pm

lol that's possibly the most ignorant statement about probability I've ever heard in my life. Most statisticians agree that when someone's at about 1 in 100 odds, it won't happen and it's ridiculous to assume it will. Now most ppl say "but lottery odds are ridiculous and people still win." The odds that a single person will win are impossible but as a whole, if the odds are one in a million and 500,000 people enter, the odds are about 1 in 2 that someone will win. As a rule, you should be suspicious of anyone saying anything with 1 in 50 odds or worse happened. So yeah, 1 in 10,000, it didn't happen unless there was a server glitch and that's unlikely too.

4-n-zics · Post by **4-n-zics** » Sat May 05, 2007 6:42 pm

I just bought a 64 polearm with 4 blues in Hotan for 1.5mil. I disjointed it and got 4 stacks of element, 1 8D STR stone (5%) and 1 8D Lucky stone.

desolator144 · Post by **desolator144** » Sun May 06, 2007 4:33 am

4-n-zics wrote:I just bought a 64 polearm with 4 blues in Hotan for 1.5mil. I disjointed it and got 4 stacks of element, 1 8D STR stone (5%) and 1 8D Lucky stone.

why didn't you record and youtube it then?

Ell · Post by **Ell** » Sun May 06, 2007 6:08 am

desolator144 wrote:lol that's possibly the most ignorant statement about probability I've ever heard in my life. Most statisticians agree that when someone's at about 1 in 100 odds, it won't happen and it's ridiculous to assume it will. Now most ppl say "but lottery odds are ridiculous and people still win." The odds that a single person will win are impossible but as a whole, if the odds are one in a million and 500,000 people enter, the odds are about 1 in 2 that someone will win. As a rule, you should be suspicious of anyone saying anything with 1 in 50 odds or worse happened. So yeah, 1 in 10,000, it didn't happen unless there was a server glitch and that's unlikely too.

And how the hell do you know the odds are 1 in 10000? Because you've had so much experience disjointing your total of 3 8d gear?

MastaChiefX · Post by **MastaChiefX** » Sun May 06, 2007 2:18 pm

At first I thought you were cool, but this is atleast the third time you have "showed" us the set.

Make a d8 set, when it really counts.

Waisha · Post by **Waisha** » Sun May 06, 2007 2:42 pm

MastaChiefX wrote:At first I thought you were cool, but this is atleast the third time you have "showed" us the set.

Make a d8 set, when it really counts.

+ farking 1.

Carnophage · Post by **Carnophage** » Sun May 06, 2007 3:05 pm

Lol this topic made me sign up here >_<

Anything else to wake you up Desolator?

I've been around since before tablet alchemy, never seen a luck tablet.

And breaking down items without enough spaces is useless

reader · Post by **reader** » Sun May 06, 2007 4:06 pm

Carnophage wrote:Lol this topic made me sign up here >_<

Anything else to wake you up Desolator?

I've been around since before tablet alchemy, never seen a luck tablet.

And breaking down items without enough spaces is useless

+1 pwned

MastaChiefX · Post by **MastaChiefX** » Sun May 06, 2007 4:07 pm

reader wrote:
Carnophage wrote:Lol this topic made me sign up here >_<

Anything else to wake you up Desolator?

I've been around since before tablet alchemy, never seen a luck tablet.

And breaking down items without enough spaces is useless

+1 pwned

Unless you want to see how many things It will give you :O

borat2 · Post by **borat2** » Sun May 06, 2007 4:21 pm

its not guaranteed you will get those items, so why waste your time checking it?
if that item was a drop the elements are worth more.
Some things can be explained by mathematics but some are just nearly random to not waste your time calculating chances since by calculating your chances will always give you incorrect average outcomes.

GodsAngel · Post by **GodsAngel** » Sun May 06, 2007 4:36 pm

lucky tablet? oO never heard or seen one before. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist but I find it hard to believe.

Destroying is very random one time I had 7 slots free and I attempted to destroy a 68 glaive or something it said not enough space I freed up 4 spaces and I only got 4 slots of elements =/ missed out.

desolator144 · Post by **desolator144** » Sun May 06, 2007 5:45 pm

I wonder how many of you think the Easter Egg item doesn't exist because you've never seen it. I haven't seen one for like 6 months. Seriously, if you think the easter egg item doesn't exist, post that so I can prove how arrogant people are about thinking they've seen every item that exists and has ever existed in the game

EllisD · Post by **EllisD** » Sun May 06, 2007 7:06 pm

desolator144 wrote:I wonder how many of you think the Easter Egg item doesn't exist because you've never seen it. I haven't seen one for like 6 months. Seriously, if you think the easter egg item doesn't exist, post that so I can prove how arrogant people are about thinking they've seen every item that exists and has ever existed in the game

If you were around during the event where you got them, you would know about them. If you started after the fact, then you wouldnt.

However, there was no mysterious event that gave out Lucky tablets. If they did exist, they would have dropped like regular tabs and there would have been a whooole lot more people that would have seen one.

Still awaiting that screenshot :roll:

4-n-zics · Post by **4-n-zics** » Sun May 06, 2007 7:16 pm

desolator144 wrote:
4-n-zics wrote:I just bought a 64 polearm with 4 blues in Hotan for 1.5mil. I disjointed it and got 4 stacks of element, 1 8D STR stone (5%) and 1 8D Lucky stone.

why didn't you record and youtube it then?

What good would that have done since I have no idea what I will get until AFTER I disjoint items. I can tell you that I have gotten at least 1 stone from every 8D weapon I have disjointed except once and I only got 4 stacks of elements.

Just because some of you aren't lucky enough to get stones does not mean that we are all that unlucky. I had know idea that this was something that I would have to prove via screenshot or video. What on Earth would I gain by lying about this. It is not like I said I +15ed a weapon or something.

I have bought quite a few 8D weapons... nothing over 2 million just to disjoint them. I look for level 64 weapons with at least 3 blues and 72 weapons white or with one blue. If I get a 72 weapon that is white for 1-1.5 million I will buy 8D tablets (usually master) and make some stones to add the blue. I might spend 5-6 million in a day disjointing, but I can easily make that back with the elements/stones I get. If I am lucky enough to get a STR and/or Lucky stone I can make back what I spent twice.

HuNt3rMx · Post by **HuNt3rMx** » Sun May 06, 2007 8:13 pm

[sarcasm] Yeah lucky tabs does exist, i saw one at dw and i ss'ed it, and i also got a SOX stone 35% once by breaking my polearm 72+5 and now i got a SOSUN 64 glaive, yay [/sarcasm]

hahaha that guy make laugh, poor guy doesnt know shit about sro and now came here and start arguing with ppl who had made a lot of alchemy aka vantokern and others, pliz go and lvl up and then we will have a good conversation there, i'll wait for u till then

desolator144 · Post by **desolator144** » Sun May 06, 2007 9:25 pm

I can tell you that I have gotten at least 1 stone from every 8D weapon I have disjointed except once

Well I disjointed 3 lvl 70+ items, one of which was a chest (closest to a wep) and got no stones so I'm gonna have to disagree. Hey, if I disjoint a SOSun +9 lvl 78 item (do they exist?) will I get a magic unicorn that flies? What about when I kill the Domo-Kun unique in JSRO? lol. The best myth you said is that you can make your money back on 8th degree elements. I've had water 8, apparently the one with the highest demand, in my stall for 2 days at 1.5 mil each, which is actually not making a profit, and nobody bought any at all yet. As soon as I get some more $, I'll lvl my guild then get more money

and buy 5 8D weapons with high blues and disjoint them to show how ridiculous those all but once odds are

Carnophage · Post by **Carnophage** » Mon May 07, 2007 1:59 am

Well I disjointed 3 lvl 70+ items, one of which was a chest (closest to a wep) and got no stones so I'm gonna have to disagree

And what lvl was the character you broke the items down with?