What is about Fortwar on Venus

[magisuns]

the past is scary =[, oh and as i said, thats just one reason srf reminded me of

[Ragnorak]

This is why Avalon lost against Epic, Epic actually gathered people for the war, they prepared got even people from other servers to play some people second chars and most of them were on voice communication not to forget they knew losing few levels to get more points in this war is no problem for them anyway since well all they have to do to get those levels is login their bot.

Well, Avalon lost against Epic simply because they recruited people from other servers, and different guilds on the server for just that one GW, they also had many of their Lv90s delevel so they'd get more points for killing Lv90 players. Avalon had 1 or 2 outside people join their guild for the war, nor did any of Avalon's Lv90 delevel just to get more points. Even with all their efforts, Epic didn't even win by 1k points. If Avalon sucked so much they would've lost by more than under 1k points with all the efforts Epic put in for that one GW.

I been hearing that one Avalon pt can handle 50+ bots,,,,so why would it matter if other guild had to recruit....

fort is all about cooperation/team play. not trying to be selfish and take everyone on your own. if some1 in the pt dies, you ress them at that moment even if you are with skins... I seen union members walk over dead bodies (union)and don't bother to ress them. I been taking my warrior to fort all the times but honestly im getting tired of just ressing/buffing =.= I hardly get to atk at all..I'm cleric 90% of the times..many players have the mentally that whoever gets the most kills wins some sort grand prize or something, at the 100 cap i'll take my Chinese account to fort, more fun but less helpful.

[Bop]

I been hearing that one Avalon pt can handle 50+ bots,,,,so why would it matter if other guild had to recruit....

i missed the gw's but afaik, epic recruited around the server and other servers, delvled to gain more points per kill and also had outside buffers...

[Shin'kensei]

Simple.

Because no other server has guilds who handgrind 100% not even getting plvl'd. At least with 35+ active members.

Most people are used to comparing two groups of people who haven't handgrinded at all. Both the holding guild and the attacking guilds are 95%+ botters and plvlee's on other servers. They don't know how to play.

This is wrong. There's a lot of plvled people in the legit unions of Venus. Many of them go thro pfarming at ongs and caves.

there isnt, the only ppl that actually have the privilege to get powerfarmed are those with higher lvl mains or friends who are willing to powerfarm them or lend them a char

The originals, those that fought the most and those who still represent most of Avalon's strength did handgrind (obviously, they were there from day 1) I'll give you that, but I highly doubt any of the more recent players 100% handgrinded to the cap.

IF any other server had a union full of legits that handgrinded 100% of the way, they'd easily take it from whoever owns it too.

Wrong. You forgot the fact botters can afford Sun sets, what makes it much harder.

your full suns wont help u from a full euro pt

But still, indeed there would be chances since legits are just more intelligent than botters. With a good strategy, it's possible.

It's not about being euro, most of the server is euro. The only chinese are generally the 24/7 bots. Most chinese get to 90 realize they're shit, and reroll a euro.

You're always so cocky about euros. And you always end up saying bullshit, acting arrogant, flame baiting and starting flame wars with that shitty attitude of yours. You should go to jail already, we'd spend a month or two without your ignorant comments on chinese.

Chinese don't suck. You suck at playing them, but don't make it a f'cking generality. Get into into your thick skull for once.

i lol at ppl who still defend chi chars, chi chars =/= euro chars in group pvp...u can say w/e u want...just being an idiot

its funny how whenever i think of going to try out venus, the negative just ends up shoving itself in my face over and over again ( this time its the avalon vs bha thing ) why srf, whyyyyyyy

the past is the past

First, your first answer is wrong. I've been on Venus, I know what it is. Many people still get powerfarmed, as high lvl legits offer to plvl other people while they pfarm their characters.

Secondly, did you just answer "your Sun sets"? Oh, so I'm part of those who have Sun sets? I refered to those people as botters, thus you're calling me a botter, huh? As far as I'm concerned, that's a reportable offence (false accusation). So you better take those words back, and shut your mouth instead of insulting others like that.

Thirdly, I lol at ignorants like you, who just started playing the game, and already think they're hot shit, believe they know everything about every builds. Go play a chinese, and talk to me after you get it to a decent lvl, then you'll be able to discuss.

[Bop]

First, your first answer is wrong. I've been on Venus, I know what it is. Many people still get powerfarmed, as high lvl legits offer to plvl other people while they pfarm their characters.

Secondly, did you just answer "your Sun sets"? Oh, so I'm part of those who have Sun sets? I refered to those people as botters, thus you're calling me a botter, huh? As far as I'm concerned, that's a reportable offence (false accusation). So you better take those words back.

i lold, seems like u cant say anything on srf w/o being reported lmao...

Thirdly, I lol at ignorants like you, who just started playing the game, and already think they're hot shit, believe they know everything about every builds. Go play a chinese, and talk to me after you get it to a decent lvl, then you'll be able to discuss.
get a char above 30 and then come speak to me

[salmissra]

The main reason why Avalon is so successful is mainly due to the perseverence of its members and great 8-man parties. As someone has pointed out, a single 8-man party can hold out 50 bots out of a single gate. And that's all we need. A single 8man party (3 total) one in each gate and rest of lower lvls are out hammering CP's and on the wall. This setup has never failed so far.

Also the main reason we pwn is that Euros...with buffs..are almost impossible to defeat. Take my wizard for example, without buffs i suck at pvp..i know that. but with buffs (warrior and cleric) i'm able to use LT throughout all FW and one hit everyone i meet, this way we just destroy bot groups

[Shin'kensei]

First, your first answer is wrong. I've been on Venus, I know what it is. Many people still get powerfarmed, as high lvl legits offer to plvl other people while they pfarm their characters.

Secondly, did you just answer "your Sun sets"? Oh, so I'm part of those who have Sun sets? I refered to those people as botters, thus you're calling me a botter, huh? As far as I'm concerned, that's a reportable offence (false accusation). So you better take those words back.

i lold, seems like u cant say anything on srf w/o being reported lmao...

Thirdly, I lol at ignorants like you, who just started playing the game, and already think they're hot shit, believe they know everything about every builds. Go play a chinese, and talk to me after you get it to a decent lvl, then you'll be able to discuss.
get a char above 30 and then come speak to me

Face it. If you were right about what you are saying you'd defend it with arguments instead of writting two lame sentences that don't mean anything. You're an idiot for not only accusing me on botting, but also attempting to answer back/defend the fact it's not an offense.

And I did play characters above 30. Euro and Chinese. So shut your big, disgusting mouth for once.

If all you can answer is "I lold" and any other related nonsense, I won't bother replying to you. No pleasure in beating a dead man.

[IceCrash]

god, u guys are boring
Venus owns
most ppl capped there tht are legits are pro
botters arent that smart, thats true, but avalon doesnt give em space as well,
also when Avalon lost, avalon didnt even fight full power..

Venus would probably beat everyone in sro.. but a group of ppl i know, maybe they would
would be a tough fight tho.
i have a lot of respect for Venus people
Some can be ..... annoying sometimes
but really
we should all respect em for the work they've done

And yes, there are botters that are pro's too, but it's diff..
Experience+Intelligence > Intelligence
i think that's what needs to be said

[BlazinAces]

lol its quiet simple actually Avalon just have BlackHand/Fable uni and whatever other *Legit* guild/uni help kill the *botters* during fw and the other legit uni/guild better not think about attacking fort or eles they will get blacklisted and be considered bot supporters and dont tell me its any other way because its just that....

[noobert mclagg]

Avalon is just really good at group PVP.

[Burningwolf]

I been hearing that one Avalon pt can handle 50+ bots,,,,so why would it matter if other guild had to recruit....

As someone has pointed out, a single 8-man party can hold out 50 bots out of a single gate.

^look at above, i dont see how your doing that and getting beat in a GW...

Chinese don't suck. You suck at playing them, but don't make it a f'cking generality. Get into into your thick skull for once.

i lol at ppl who still defend chi chars, chi chars =/= euro chars in group pvp...u can say w/e u want...just being an idiot

yet somehow those chink bots beat avalon...hmmmm???

And yes, there are botters that are pro's too, but it's diff..
Experience+Intelligence > Intelligence
i think that's what needs to be said

what fcking experience you talking about, yes its soo damn hard to spam 1,2,3 to keep party members alive
yes its soo damn hard to press F2 to give skins to somebody...
yes its soo damn hard to play a fcking euro...

also when Avalon lost, avalon didnt even fight full power..

GTFO with excuses...

It's not about being euro, most of the server is euro. The only chinese are generally the 24/7 bots. Most chinese get to 90 realize they're shit, and reroll a euro.

Most Legits get to lv.90 realize they're shit, and go back to the real world
see what i did there?

It ultimately comes down to this... bots don't know how to play their characters.

while this is true for venus if you go to any other bot server i bet you can find someone who knows how to play thier char.

+1, doesnt take Farking brains to pvp...

[Azilius]

Just for the record, SuddenDeath on Venus has owned MasterMinds with 15k to 4k just 2 days ago.
MasterMinds is the strongest bot guild left on Venus.
And well yea, when we (SuddenDeath) warred Avalon, we litteraly got our asses raped.
We lost with, 3k to 35k for Avalon. T_T
Luckily SuddenDeath is now unioned with Avalon. Together no union is stronger in iSro.
Dont underestimate european 8/8 pt's. Chinese are useless against 8/8 pt's.

Guess you've never heard of the kuwait/convict/whatever the hell union on Greece. You might have full 8/8 parties, but do you have full sun chinese chars each with their own full sun euro in massive mobs of 8/8 combination parties? All with prem + and resistance/damage scrolls, and a sub union to help ofc. They might be retarded but even Sro PvP isn't that hard. Not 100% sure of this cap having the same numbers/suns but 80 cap it was like that..pretty sure not much has changed. =p

[Corrupt]

not to forget they knew losing few levels to get more points in this war is no problem for them anyway since well all they have to do to get those levels is login their bot.

That is pretty much the only reason they won, by 2k points at the very end of the war when everyone started DCing from crazy lag. 90,s fighting lvl 84s that still do the same dmg is a 3 to 1 or 4 to 1 ratio. They won by so few points that if they didn't pull that delvl shit it would have been a complete slaughter.

Problem solved! they hold the fortress not because they are better but because they hold the majority (euros)

We've had 1 party wipe out close to 50 players, mostly euros since they all plvled them up. I'd say lack of communication and not knowing your build well. Sanc already said it oh well, late on reading the topic.

They hold the fw because NOONE CAN PARTICIPATE BECAUSE OF THE FU*** TIME !!! an union cant hold a fw if all strong guilds paricipate!!!!

Big wrong, we've had max capacity with about 4 parties and other people solo running around against the server. Multiple times.


Posting now cause there's 3 pages zzzzz >.>

[William-CL]

Also, avalon union has more gold then the entire rest of the server combined (excluding goldbots). So we hold more sun then anyone else and we have the best gear/weps possible.

Hey, I've never had a single sun piece, or a ton of gold, when I was in Avalon...

Not everyone is Lucky :p

[Corrupt]

I been hearing that one Avalon pt can handle 50+ bots,,,,so why would it matter if other guild had to recruit....

This is what makes a GW and FW so different. 50+ lower lvls that do the same damage almost, wear the same gear, mastery lvl Euro, gain way less points when killed. If one or two manage to kill you, you have to kill them about 5 times over to compensate. Now that's hard since that war was stationed in a mass of outsiders with lots of outside buffing.

That wasn't Avalon vs Epic it was Avalon (2-3 parties worth) vs the entire server that logged on, + randoms from other servers playing delvled euros to gain a edge. The fact they won by almost 2k points NEAR the END where 3/4 of our people DCed, says something. We had more then them the entire war till that end problem.

I'm done arguing that war since so many of you would have been completely owned in it if you played. You have no clue the odds we've stood up against.

The only people that have a right to talk shit is anyone that can do what Avalon has done.

[IceCrash]

I been hearing that one Avalon pt can handle 50+ bots,,,,so why would it matter if other guild had to recruit....

As someone has pointed out, a single 8-man party can hold out 50 bots out of a single gate.

^look at above, i dont see how your doing that and getting beat in a GW...

Chinese don't suck. You suck at playing them, but don't make it a f'cking generality. Get into into your thick skull for once.

i lol at ppl who still defend chi chars, chi chars =/= euro chars in group pvp...u can say w/e u want...just being an idiot

yet somehow those chink bots beat avalon...hmmmm???

And yes, there are botters that are pro's too, but it's diff..
Experience+Intelligence > Intelligence
i think that's what needs to be said

what fcking experience you talking about, yes its soo damn hard to spam 1,2,3 to keep party members alive
yes its soo damn hard to press F2 to give skins to somebody...
yes its soo damn hard to play a fcking euro...

also when Avalon lost, avalon didnt even fight full power..

GTFO with excuses...

It's not about being euro, most of the server is euro. The only chinese are generally the 24/7 bots. Most chinese get to 90 realize they're shit, and reroll a euro.

Most Legits get to lv.90 realize they're shit, and go back to the real world
see what i did there?

It ultimately comes down to this... bots don't know how to play their characters.

while this is true for venus if you go to any other bot server i bet you can find someone who knows how to play thier char.

+1, doesnt take Farking brains to pvp...

jeez, you hatin on me recently
and whoever says pvp is v easy bla bla bla
in an european party for u to own, it aint that easy
u cant spam, it actually takes some skills >.>
and wolf, if u reply, get some decent back up for whatever u say, dont post just stupid shit like u've been doing, support ur thoughts, kthxbaistupidfag

[Toshiharu]

Lol @ 3 long pages of bullshit.

They hold it, because they work as a team. Not shoving a fist into the keyboard like most unions do.

[wootpops]

you can't tell me pvp fully buffed wizard is hard the Farking warrior takes more Farking damage than you and then pain quota on top. it's not Farking hard to pvp on a euro. oh no 10 minutes is up switch to f4 and give them quota again. oh no 30 minutes is up clerics rebuff and warriors refence. it's not hard. a Farking monkey could do it.

[Ragnorak]

This fcking BS about getting pvl. and not knowing how to play ur build is just pathetic... I pvl a wizard and my warrior to 89 yes, the first time I added the skill and try to organized everything was somewhat difficult to get used to. I even use screen on the person I was practicing pvp...was not familiar with my skills location.... in about 1-2 days I knew exactly where each skill F-F4 was at, learned how to weapon switch ect. I know what pain quota does, fences, who needs support. it doesn't take a genius to figure that out.... is not like some1 that has an account pvl to lets say 90 just logs in every 2 weeks for fortress and never use the account till the next fort.

I can probably agreed that Venus may have better communication/organization with their union but the idea that they win is cuz their opposition are botters, don't know how to play their character is just BS.

[_Scarlett_]

Lawls, believe I can roast some marshmallows with all the flames in this topic.

[.curve]

Lawls, believe I can roast some marshmallows with all the flames in this topic.

I can start a f.ucking collection of trolls from this topic. It's cool.

[Rosato]

Lawls, believe I can roast some marshmallows with all the flames in this topic.

No, just no.

[endymion]

Well if you think 8/8 euro pt is easy....it aint...since sometimes you gotta think and be carefull of lots of things at the same time, quota is a pain in the ass since u gotta put it like every 5min probly most forget about it ^ ^....sometimes ppl just want to be heroes and kill every1 and thats when things start to go wrong.

And bots most of the times outnumber us like 5 to 1....but we kinda think better than them ...like u see a full buffed wiz with silk scrolls and all shit u can imagine in LT we just use absolutes and its all gone...stuff like that makes a difference.

And most of our legits 35+ aint plv only ppls alts...atleat on nox if some1 ask too much for plv can say bye bye from the guild

But you gotta see it for your self to believe it...its another thing

[.curve]

Well if you think 8/8 euro pt is easy....it aint...since sometimes you gotta think and be carefull of lots of things at the same time, quota is a pain in the ass since u gotta put it like every 5min probly most forget about it ^ ^....sometimes ppl just want to be heroes and kill every1 and thats when things start to go wrong.

And bots most of the times outnumber us like 5 to 1....but we kinda think better than them ...like u see a full buffed wiz with silk scrolls and all shit u can imagine in LT we just use absolutes and its all gone...stuff like that makes a difference.

And most of our legits 35+ aint plv only ppls alts...atleat on nox if some1 ask too much for plv can say bye bye from the guild

But you gotta see it for your self to believe it...its another thing

Sorry, but it's sort of common sense to use Absolute Damage skills on a wizard in LT.

[eaglehawk]

You guys own Venus just cuz you made there botters life - hell...
I respect you guys for staying legits, and getting to where you stand today. But tbh I`m so sick of some Venus players.. Wan`t a real challange? Join any other server, find a proper guild, with good communicated players. I bet they`ll own you without a problem. If anyone here played on Babel, take for example Eminence,Asian United and Unithekal. They owned 95% of the guilds on babel in GW.. I doubt your on their level..

+1

[Blindfire]

All the older BHA people know why we never attacked. Its not worth bringing up old wounds, that will only just start more shit for those who stayed to become Fly's minions and nightblooms drones. Enough said.

I will elaborate on the reason, Avadrones can suck a dick if they get up in arms about it.

One fortress war, BHA decided to attack. There just so happened to besome bot guilds there too. As soon as a BHA hammer hit the gate we were all of a sudden all bot supporters and Avalon was going to run us off of the server. To avoid further drama, BHA said fuck it and never went after Jangan fort again.

[.curve]

All the older BHA people know why we never attacked. Its not worth bringing up old wounds, that will only just start more shit for those who stayed to become Fly's minions and nightblooms drones. Enough said.

I will elaborate on the reason, Avadrones can suck a dick if they get up in arms about it.

One fortress war, BHA decided to attack. There just so happened to besome bot guilds there too. As soon as a BHA hammer hit the gate we were all of a sudden all bot supporters and Avalon was going to run us off of the server. To avoid further drama, BHA said fuck it and never went after Jangan fort again.

Sounds like a paradise there.

[_MvP_]

Yeah, this is spamm and trolling but I just had to

[Barotix]

Yeah, this is spamm and trolling but I just had to

With all those low level characters legitimacy is not hard to maintain. Assuming 3h/day.

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