Limit grinding time?

[NuclearSilo]

This wont be good for those who are addicted. Simply because it's an anti-addiction tool. There're several reasons this stuff would work well:

- decrease the bots speed
- ppl do more jobs, more stall
- one who plays 5/24h buy the same amount as one who plays 24/24, they both buy PT and grab pet.
- ppl whine they hate grinding, but they grind at least 10/24 lol. This will stop liar.
- they can change that this stuff only avalaible when u have no more premium hour, so that ppl can still benefit the lost time

I think there's still big misunderstanding when ppl reply in this post.
It's 5h grinding, not 5h playing

So, if ur addicted, u can organize your time: grind 3h, pvp 1h, job 1h, chatting & alchemy stuff & buy pot 30min, grind 2h, then stall for exemple. So u can still play 24/24 but can only grind 5h.

If anyone tell me that he like pvp stuff and hate grinding, but still grind 5h+ non stop a day is a big hypocryt, no life (school or job or activities)

[Post]

lose exp and drop their sun sets =D

Look what my pick up pets got !

This wont be good for those who are addicted. Simply because it's an anti-addiction tool. There're several reasons this stuff would work well:

- decrease the bots speed
- ppl do more jobs, more stall
- one who plays 5/24h buy the same amount as one who plays 24/24, they both buy PT and grab pet.
- ppl whine they hate grinding, but they grind at least 10/24 lol. This will stop liar.
- they can change that this stuff only avalaible when u have no more premium hour, so that ppl can still benefit the lost time

I think there's still big misunderstanding when ppl reply in this post.
It's 5h grinding, not 5h playing

So, if ur addicted, u can organize your time: grind 3h, pvp 1h, job 1h, chatting & alchemy stuff & buy pot 30min, grind 2h, then stall for exemple. So u can still play 24/24 but can only grind 5h.

Yep once the EXP/SXP gold and drop time is up. If players still need to play more:

Job/PVP/Stall or just be sociable with other players its an MMO and meant to be entertaining not a place to be abusive and or offensive to others.

[Phix]

The only put a limit on the other versions of the game because those governments MAKE them.... If the US had those same laws, we would have it on iSRO also. It is why all the asian games have their own versions initially.

nope probably not, this is international Silkroad,

so the US government,
European cr@p
Afrikan Cr@p (marroco)
etc. would also have to force the 5 hour cap on it.

[Bg_DrEaM]

Ok, i understand the 5 hour grinding thingy...still...
How do they count it?
The same as how the GT works - 20 sec after any attack...
So if you are and Unique addict, and wanna want uniques and hen grind, your time will pass when you wait, or you have to wait at the few safe spots for some of the uniques, or you have to have a therapy sircle...
There are so many things that make this idea not so good...
Yep, the time limit should be applied for people undre 18.
Because who are we and who are joymax to stop someone from their SRO addiction?

[Stephanus]

This "zomg you are 70+ booootteer" is a bs.
If you grind only 3 hours pro day its absolutely possible to reach 80 in 6months or 8.
Unbelievers.

[Barotix]

The 5 hours resets after not grinding for 24 hours (like GT).
@Nightbloom. I'm well aware of why it's in CSRO, TSRO, and VSRO but it's still a valid option in other versions. Especially after considering the situation the game is in. Radical reforms lead to radical changes.

[whiteraven]

i dont think it will stop botting,, nor i think legit people can grind as fast as botters in that 5 hours,,

if there comes a restriction,, bots will just implement a clock and go auto stall when time is over,, and not getting sp/exp after that 5 hours wont slow down goldbotters,, they only care about the drops,, hmm now i think about it,, botters care about drops to,, so it would make botters more and more ritch,, and legits will become more and more poor,,

5 hour limit will fark up whole game even more as it is yet

what is the benefit of such a thing? there isnt?

[Hellraider]

Depending on my mood i grind anywhere between 0 to 9 hours a day, i'd hate having to stop grinding after 3 hours if i'm like 99%

Also plvling would become lame, me and my friends/guilds at ongs make sure our chars keep getting exp from the time i wake up to the time i goto bed, because we take turns in plvling

[pr0klobster]

No, I understand how the world works but that's irrelevant. The question is:

What are the pros and cons to Joymax adding a exp/sp time limit that applies to all players. Who do you think would be for/against it and why? There is no democracy in an MMO. I stated that imo it will stimulate jobbing and cripple botting.

It won't happen.

XP/SP gain time limit? Sure, for 18 and under players. Then how do you verify they are over 18?

Sorry, I like my freedom in the US. Free to play whenever I like (and there is no server traffic). If that means 2 hrs per night or 6, doesn't matter to me. Any xp gain restriction in a MMO is ludicrous. It's not Joymax's problem that some people can't control how many hours they play, and it's not their responsibility to enforce rules on kids, it is their parents.

[NuclearSilo]

i dont think it will stop botting,, nor i think legit people can grind as fast as botters in that 5 hours,,

if there comes a restriction,, bots will just implement a clock and go auto stall when time is over,, and not getting sp/exp after that 5 hours wont slow down goldbotters,, they only care about the drops,, hmm now i think about it,, botters care about drops to,, so it would make botters more and more ritch,, and legits will become more and more poor,,

5 hour limit will fark up whole game even more as it is yet

what is the benefit of such a thing? there isnt?

well, they could make it drops limit too. I heard that many ppl say that CSRO is good and the system there is better than ISRO. Atm, in VSRO, players got booted from the server after playing all the 5h

Depending on my mood i grind anywhere between 0 to 9 hours a day, i'd hate having to stop grinding after 3 hours if i'm like 99%

Also plvling would become lame, me and my friends/guilds at ongs make sure our chars keep getting exp from the time i wake up to the time i goto bed, because we take turns in plvling

Yes, it will stop plvling. So if u level slower, u'll stay with the game longer, then more money for JM

[pr0klobster]

Yes, it will stop plvling. So if u level slower, u'll stay with the game longer, then more money for JM

Well...if that's the case, it'd increase the likelihood that those weaker people (who don't have the patience) would bot, wouldn't it?

Honestly, leveling slower would be ok with me if there were more "oomph" to the game. It's such a grindfest as it is now, the only fun really are those epic moments in a party...

Like last night, a couple of guildies were out at bone soldiers, I tagged along to heal/kill off the singles (Chinese pt, mainly) and buff. One of the lower level chars (59) kept accidentally aggroing the mobs, even the niya guards that were spread out

[tomiotar]

I agree with the idea, but I think that it should be 6 or 7 hours considering that premium plus is implemented and that bring a lot of money to them. I`ve grinded more than 6 hours some days but those were rare situation, usually with the 3 hours of normal ticket you have more than enough. The idea it was to give pros a cons, so here we go:


Pros:

1)Player bot vs Player legit: People will still bot and that is completly clear, but with this system they will get the cap more or less at same time than active legits.

2)Less server traffic: Having a stall char and a grinding char is really normal nowdays, with this system we will have same amount of stallers but less player grinding.

3)Goldbots: If this system is aplied not only to xp/sp, but also to gold and items it can really slow down the amount of gold that goldbots farm. The main problem problem is that goldbot companies will bypass really easily this problem making a rotation of the logged bots on the server. So I think this will not stop the goldbot problem, but at least it will stop the bot player that leaves their full farmed high level char grinding for sun items (as it happen at previuos cap).

Cons:

1)Accumulated ticket time: very often you couldn't finish your grinding time 1 day and you recover it at next day. If this system is implemented the people with ticket have to be sure that no penalization at xp/sp it will be aplied if they have ticket time remaining.

2) Clock to tell you time remaining: imagine that you finish your ticket and you go to hunt Saytain. You get the kill on a 4 people party but then realized that you got no xp/sp . You need a personal clock to be sure that you are getting xp.


If it is well implemented it can be really really really really usefull because you are dealing with all the most negatives points of the game at same time, but those 2 cons that I put there are really important and they have to be consider before implement it. Now (just in case of someone from Joymax is reading this), if bots need same time than legits they will have to buy more tickets and pet time (now, as you take longer time to level, if you are legit you have to pay more to get the cap), so Joymax will get more money from botters .

[selenne]

just make something like a month/ two free, and then, pay2play. get rid of botters, goldbots and other kinds of human scum.

id pay for that. 30~50 usd every month dont worth da game conditions we have ther, other games (free or not) hav communities, support and in-game environment 10k times better than sro. and we still buy da damn silk.

[JoyFax]

1)Limiting to 5 hours PT+ and any carry over time (silk buyers pay for the advanage and the game).
2)Limiting to 3 hours for PT and any carry over time (silk buyers pay for the advanage and the game).
3)Limiting to normal users to 3 hours aday.

EXP/SXP, gold and drops limited (to set times) is a good idea it could slow down the botting problem but not stop it. They could just login another char and carry on. Account creation needs to be limited even stopped on some servers (for a time) allowing a clean up of the botters to let real new players join in and play whats meant to be an:

Massively Multiplayer Online
not a
Messedup Multibotter Online

But according to some errors the launcher sometimes gives SRO is not even Online its Onlone

[Nixie]

No, I understand how the world works but that's irrelevant. The question is:

What are the pros and cons to Joymax adding a exp/sp time limit that applies to all players. Who do you think would be for/against it and why? There is no democracy in an MMO. I stated that imo it will stimulate jobbing and cripple botting.

It'll ruin premium plus. If you cannot grind off 5 hours in 5hours how do you grind the rest off? <Other than my other post> Server will be able to log in 24/7(Since you cannot get shit beyond 5hours) Less people will buy premium.(Those that buy it just to log in. Or at least before) Less silk bought = loss money = do not want. Money is the goal.

Unless Joymax applies that to premium plusless people and 10hours to a plus. I don't see how this would work out. I'd rather have Joymax turn off gold/drops after 5hours and allow the exp. Why? That'd ruin the gold bots more than player botters.

Either way.. it'll mess with Joymax's income. You wouldn't want to mess with your income.

+1

6 hours would be just fine. Why? You have to sleep (- 6~12 hours). You have to eat (- 1~2 hours (some eat faster, some slower, lawl)). That's already 24 - 7~14 hours. Then there is other activity like the school or job, which usually takes from 4 to 8 hours. Let's add that to it. We result in 24 - 11~22 hours. What is left? 2~13 hours. Take the average and you land at about 6 hours. Would be just fair and we would get rid of gold boters.

Preety good idea you had there.

[Tasdik]

But what would happen if say some guy grinded or botted on one char for 3 hours and then just logged onto another bot and botted on that one for 3 hours and so on and so forth?

[Nixie]

But what would happen if say some guy grinded or botted on one char for 3 hours and then just logged onto another bot and botted on that one for 3 hours and so on and so forth?

Then... he'll have an army of low level bots.

[Tasdik]

But what would happen if say some guy grinded or botted on one char for 3 hours and then just logged onto another bot and botted on that one for 3 hours and so on and so forth?

Then... he'll have an army of low level bots.

Or an army of 4 lvl 90 bots while us legits only have 1 lvl 90 char

[NuclearSilo]

But what would happen if say some guy grinded or botted on one char for 3 hours and then just logged onto another bot and botted on that one for 3 hours and so on and so forth?

Then... he'll have an army of low level bots.

And they need 4x PT to login. They'd feel the pain what is spending 1h to login


Anyway, the best way to defeat the bots is to make a quiz system.
We'd have to answer question like (which will pop up each 30 mins, players has 5 mins to answer):
- 1+1=?
- image code
- which is bigger: a car, a planet, a potato, a cat...
etc...

I know there is a lot of easy quiz u could find, but require human intelligent to answer. Even a 10 years old kid could answer easily.

[Barotix]

Some people are still misunderstanding.
Spoiler: New Proposal

Spoiler!

1]The time limit will apply to all.
2]The time limit will work around what ever premium service you're using.
3]You could add a gold-drop time-limit to it as well.
4]Bots don't grind as efficiently as a human. They just grind longer.
5]The average Chinese player needs ~6-8 months to get to 90 FF with Gold Time and an SP Ticket.
6]The average European player needs 4-6 months to get to 90 FF with Gold Time and an SP Ticket.
7]Power Level is eliminated.
8]Power Farming is eliminated.
9]The weaker players that decide to bot won't get anywhere with their bots. Since they're forced to do the same time as someone with equivalent service (1]F2P, 2]GT, 3]PREM, and 4]PREM+) they'll just be hurting their own leveling speed. So they will A]quit or B]stop being so damn obsessed with capping and just take their time while enjoying the journey.
10]The United States has no jurisdiction over the operations of a Korean Gaming company and their game(s); therefore, the laws that apply in the United States do not apply in game and are irrelevant to this discussion.
11]Stimulates jobbing.
12]Weakens addiction.
13]Makes botting pointless.
14]Eliminates gold bots.
15]Only the legit community wins.

I put in motion:
A 7 hour limit on exp/sp/gold/drops that effects everyone. The only way to exceed 7 hours is with a Premium+ that has double time. All in favor type "Y" with a reason. All opposing type "N" with a reason.

[NuclearSilo]

Spoiler!

1]The time limit will apply to all.
2]The time limit will work around what ever premium service you're using.
3]You could add a gold-drop time-limit to it as well.
4]Bots don't grind as efficiently as a human. They just grind longer.
5]The average Chinese player needs ~6-8 months to get to 90 FF with Gold Time and an SP Ticket.
6]The average European player needs 4-6 months to get to 90 FF with Gold Time and an SP Ticket.
7]Power Level is eliminated.
8]Power Farming is eliminated.
9]The weaker players that decide to bot won't get anywhere with their bots. Since they're forced to do the same time as someone with equivalent service (1]F2P, 2]GT, 3]PREM, and 4]PREM+) they'll just be hurting their own leveling speed. So they will A]quit or B]stop being so damn obsessed with capping and just take their time while enjoying the journey.
10]The United States has no jurisdiction over the operations of a Korean Gaming company and their game(s); therefore, the laws that apply in the United States do not apply in game and are irrelevant to this discussion.
11]Stimulates jobbing.
12]Weakens addiction.
13]Makes botting pointless.
14]Eliminates gold bots.
15]Only the legit community wins.

Y to all
Reason: self explanatory

[Tasdik]

Spoiler!

1]The time limit will apply to all.
2]The time limit will work around what ever premium service you're using.
3]You could add a gold-drop time-limit to it as well.
4]Bots don't grind as efficiently as a human. They just grind longer.
5]The average Chinese player needs ~6-8 months to get to 90 FF with Gold Time and an SP Ticket.
6]The average European player needs 4-6 months to get to 90 FF with Gold Time and an SP Ticket.
7]Power Level is eliminated.
8]Power Farming is eliminated.
9]The weaker players that decide to bot won't get anywhere with their bots. Since they're forced to do the same time as someone with equivalent service (1]F2P, 2]GT, 3]PREM, and 4]PREM+) they'll just be hurting their own leveling speed. So they will A]quit or B]stop being so damn obsessed with capping and just take their time while enjoying the journey.
10]The United States has no jurisdiction over the operations of a Korean Gaming company and their game(s); therefore, the laws that apply in the United States do not apply in game and are irrelevant to this discussion.
11]Stimulates jobbing.
12]Weakens addiction.
13]Makes botting pointless.
14]Eliminates gold bots.
15]Only the legit community wins.

Y to all
Reason: self explanatory

Dito...man typing dito is just werid