Are nukers screwed

[brentonsbbe359]

lightning - 90 fire - 90 ice - 90 heuskal (or bicheon) - 30

that seems like a great build to me.

lighting for buffs and nukers
ice for phy def snow. but the nukes suck
fire for buffs and nukes
heuskal for a lil more hp
or bicheon for better BR

[IC3M4N]

ive gone 90 fire/ice/light and 30 bich and i love my build always trying to break my damage record and i can kill gp mujgis as i found out short while ago at lvl 51 ^^.

p.s. it was mainly luck and the fact i didnt get crit until i had snow on xD

[Eden]

Yeah, at those lvls you don't need weapon skills for pvp. But at 80+ you really need them 100% sure.

[Da_Realest]

Just because one nuke does more damage than the other makes it useless? Its not hard to nuke with both.

[IC3M4N]

might i add my builds more for standing at the back and nuking away in team cases not solo pvp also for pvm ive found this build very effective.

[AkillerNXC]

Lmao @ the ppl that say nukers without lightning. GL with that. Thats like a glavier without any ghost spears. It just will not work.

Besides, fire sucks for nukers now. 90 Light nuke> Maxed fire nuke. Embue damage isn't enough to make a difference.

Nukers are in no way screwed. Eh, its hybrid spears that are going to have a problem.

Yea I suck.... Yet I hardly die.... And btw fire is stronger

Yeah, fire overall is stronger, but Lightning has the parry reduce, which makes it do around the same damage. So unless people are immune to shock (which most aren't cuz they don't realize that its really important -.-) then fire really wouldn't be nessecary, other then the magical defense and immunity (which you can still get at 30 ) It's all really a matter of opinion, depends on how you like to play. But even if you don't get weapon skills, force would be a better choice then fire, at least imo.

Iceman's right, though, in PVM, yes it's great. But thats mainly because it has a diversity in nukes, with all of the AOE damage its great.

[Eden]

For the people that aren't getting weapon skills... The point is that is impossible to kill people at lvl 80+ (both same blues and that) just with nukes, they aren't fast enough. So you need weapon skills even if you have 5 or 6 different nukes.

But if you don't fight 1vs1, then fine.

[Cerus]

Chinese are in no way screwed...
Nukers too...
Ppl just need to start accepting chinese in party play.
Chinese WORKS pretty well in war.
Nukers buffed + no pot delay.
1 full str glavie buffed charging into a army of int euros = dead euros.

[Da_Realest]

For the people that aren't getting weapon skills... The point is that is impossible to kill people at lvl 80+ (both same blues and that) just with nukes, they aren't fast enough. So you need weapon skills even if you have 5 or 6 different nukes.

But if you don't fight 1vs1, then fine.

Evidence to support your claims?

[IC3M4N]

heh you know ive been debating this in my head all evening and i was trying to play with numbers and skills. i think if you like nukes than fire to 57 is cool you get the 3rd level nuke.. im not sure i think thats the lava ball from the sky.. also with 57 you get the next stage magic protect that looks pretty cool :/ i was trying to play with numbers to see what i could get Heuksai too but i think i ended up being 1 level off certain skills :/ you get the important weapon skills i think. please dont quote me on this ive never been good with builds. this is a rough plan i was doing.

90 ice
90 light
57 fire
63 Heuksai

i really dont know how well this would work...

[Eden]

For the people that aren't getting weapon skills... The point is that is impossible to kill people at lvl 80+ (both same blues and that) just with nukes, they aren't fast enough. So you need weapon skills even if you have 5 or 6 different nukes.

But if you don't fight 1vs1, then fine.

Evidence to support your claims?

Get someone in your server. A nuker versus a STR or versus another nuker. Lv80 or more same equip of course. Tell to the nuker that he can only use nukes. Then come back here and say what happened.

[IC3M4N]

heh Eden its strange i cant remember you on hera... i remember a few names nice to see you stuck with hera unlike some of us also what do you think of my proposal in the above post. is it useless?

[reddragonz]

Dropping ice and use my euro clients for buffs, for PvP

[Eden]

heh Eden its strange i cant remember you on hera... i remember a few names nice to see you stuck with hera unlike some of us also what do you think of my proposal in the above post. is it useless?

Well i left Hera and came back to my old server

And about what you said, i can't tell you how to make your build. You must make it as fun as possible for you. I'm just saying what in my opinion will be the best nuker build for this cap. I know some nukers doing that 90 90 60 60 masteries tactic, maybe it works lol. Who knows...

[IC3M4N]

heh oki doki maybe ill look into this more :/ on the character and skills part

[Da_Realest]

For the people that aren't getting weapon skills... The point is that is impossible to kill people at lvl 80+ (both same blues and that) just with nukes, they aren't fast enough. So you need weapon skills even if you have 5 or 6 different nukes.

But if you don't fight 1vs1, then fine.

Evidence to support your claims?

Get someone in your server. A nuker versus a STR or versus another nuker. Lv80 or more same equip of course. Tell to the nuker that he can only use nukes. Then come back here and say what happened.

I have noting to prove. You're the one making the claims. You show me pvp between a fully farmed level 90 and a level 90 str with near equal gear, then I'll believe you. Of course you can't because there are no level 90 characters on isro yet. So I'll restate my question. Where is the evidence to support your claims? You can't pass something off as fact unless you have factual evidence to support your claims.

Lmao @ the ppl that say nukers without lightning. GL with that. Thats like a glavier without any ghost spears. It just will not work.

Besides, fire sucks for nukers now. 90 Light nuke> Maxed fire nuke. Embue damage isn't enough to make a difference.

Nukers are in no way screwed. Eh, its hybrid spears that are going to have a problem.

According to Konpaku...

Crane's Thunderbolt at level 1
Mag.Att 989 ~ 1.837 (300%)

Flame Wave - Hellfire at level 4
Mag.Att 1.028 ~ 15 (315%)
~ 1.714 (315%)

You know that extra 15% affects damage right? I'm not so sure you can say the light nuke is better than the fire nuke.

[Cerus]

Get someone in your server. A nuker versus a STR or versus another nuker. Lv80 or more same equip of course. Tell to the nuker that he can only use nukes. Then come back here and say what happened.

Pure Int using weapon skills against Pure STR. U gotta b kidding me....

[Eden]

Get someone in your server. A nuker versus a STR or versus another nuker. Lv80 or more same equip of course. Tell to the nuker that he can only use nukes. Then come back here and say what happened.

Pure Int using weapon skills against Pure STR. U gotta b kidding me....

http://www.wegame.com/watch/IowU_pvp_compilation_part1/

Wat?

[Cerus]

http://www.wegame.com/watch/IowU_pvp_compilation_part1/

You're showing Sun user owning with weapon skill.... He would own too wit nukes.
I am saying, pure int would fare better with nukes against pure str.

[Eden]

And i repeat. A nuker lv 80 versus a glavier (for example) lv 80 same equips can't win just with nukes because they arent fast enough.

Now, at lv 90 im not sure because x-large potions won't work as good as at 80 cap for STR builds. So yeah, we have to wait to find it out.

[LaloHao]

And i repeat. A nuker lv 80 versus a glavier (for example) lv 80 same equips can't win just with nukes because they arent fast enough.

Now, at lv 90 im not sure because x-large potions won't work as good as at 80 cap for STR builds. So yeah, we have to wait to find it out.

u will have like 28k hp if pure str and same mp if pure int, x-large pots wont heal all the hp/mp

[Eden]

Yeah i know.

By the way, my main character is a nuker, that's why i know that at lvl 80 cap you needed weapon skills to kill STR before the nuker die. Remember, a pure INT can't tank forever. Knock down and stun helps.

[KneeGrow]

Solution : delete your Int char and make an STR

1)More Hp, thus a better survival rate, thus you staying longer fighting than in hotan dead.
2)Crits WILL make up for the damage in PVP, just rembember to not settle for a shitty crit!
3)STR's = 3 possible builds; Archer, <3Glaive<3, and Blade
4)ALOT less sp to farm
5)You don't have to sacrifice Fire the most powerful imbue and best force!
6)You rarely have to worry when you see a 10k crit done to your char when your full hp.

[piXie_niXie]

it depends on ur build and what u want to do


if you hybrid u can afford to drop light to 60 and keep cold 60 and max fire and bicheon(my build 60 light/cold 90 fire/bicheon) and if u pure you prob want max light (light/cold 90)

now if you a 1v1 you will want wep skills(90 light/cold/bicheon) but if you mainly a jobber that goes out in groups then u can go all fire/light/cold 90 and just be a pure nuker.

i know some spear nukers dropping light to 30 and another pure int bowmen dropping light to 30

[emperor3000]

umm... yeah, lv 90 nukers can cast with fire nuke above 10k and with light nuke above 10k.

Not like you can't kill them with just nukes.

Its only if you keep getting knocked down or knocked back, is where you can't kill them with just nukes.

Anyways, like said earlier in this topic, just get weapon if you only care about ONE ON ONE, and forget weapon, if you declare yourself party type of pvp.

[William-CL]

I haven't had a wep since lvl 45, since then only Nukes. Lvl 71 Atm And if you know what nukes to use in what order, then you can win pvp easy. As long as the opponent doesn't have any "foreign" buffs

[Salamah]

Yeah, fire overall is stronger, but Lightning has the parry reduce, which makes it do around the same damage. So unless people are immune to shock (which most aren't cuz they don't realize that its really important -.-) then fire really wouldn't be nessecary, other then the magical defense and immunity (which you can still get at 30 ) It's all really a matter of opinion, depends on how you like to play. But even if you don't get weapon skills, force would be a better choice then fire, at least imo.

Iceman's right, though, in PVM, yes it's great. But thats mainly because it has a diversity in nukes, with all of the AOE damage its great.

I so agree with this , I kept advising the nukers in my guild to turn to light Imbue but they denied saying that the Fire make more damage , to be honset they need the light buffs much more than the fire because the fire just increase them Mag,Def but they have a high Mag,Def already so they suppose care for the cold & the Light ... -_-"

[William-CL]

Yeah, fire overall is stronger, but Lightning has the parry reduce, which makes it do around the same damage. So unless people are immune to shock (which most aren't cuz they don't realize that its really important -.-) then fire really wouldn't be nessecary, other then the magical defense and immunity (which you can still get at 30 ) It's all really a matter of opinion, depends on how you like to play. But even if you don't get weapon skills, force would be a better choice then fire, at least imo.

Iceman's right, though, in PVM, yes it's great. But thats mainly because it has a diversity in nukes, with all of the AOE damage its great.

I so agree with this , I kept advising the nukers in my guild to turn to light Imbue but they denied saying that the Fire make more damage , to be honset they need the light buffs much more than the fire because the fire just increase them Mag,Def but they have a high Mag,Def already so they suppose care for the cold & the Light ... -_-"

I go with all 3 nukes. After 100 cap i'll go for light and fire. Can't say it's bad cause we can't prove it unless someone tried it right? If it sucks, then I'll just used curse hearts

[eaglehawk]

Dropping ice and use my euro clients for buffs, for PvP

hehehe thats wat im doing 90 90 90 30 ice identical to my pure str glaiver i just wont do 1v1 pvp with this char as i have other chars to pvp with.

[piXie_niXie]

The new fire nuke is lvl 83. New light is 90. That just means they have to full farm in order to get it (^_^)

you have to be fully farmed to get either nuke