Why Islam should be stronger than European

[brentonsbbe359]

Well, from what I understand out of your post, you mean that:
Islam > Euro > Chinese > Islam?

If thats true, it will be greatly balanced and fun to job as you said.
I agree with that.

+1

[Mango]

Yeah a normal +9 lol..

He said a +9 normal, not a normal +9. Normal was supposed to mean that it wasn't an SoX weapon, not that getting a +9 is normal.

[foudre]

another reason why islam will be better, style they gota look cooler just based on the artwork i've seen

[piXie_niXie]

people


this is nothing like the triangular conflict, if islam is stronger than euro than its the first triangle in this game


the triangular conflict isnt even a triangle at all, but just a point with two segments off of it

[brentonsbbe359]

people


this is nothing like the triangular conflict, if islam is stronger than euro than its the first triangle in this game


the triangular conflict isnt even a triangle at all, but just a point with two segments off of it

what you just said made as little sense as this

[piXie_niXie]

people


this is nothing like the triangular conflict, if islam is stronger than euro than its the first triangle in this game


the triangular conflict isnt even a triangle at all, but just a point with two segments off of it

what you just said made as little sense as this

how does it not make sense


if infact that make islam stronger than euro but weaker than chinese then its the first actual triangle of this game, unless by somehow u can explain to me how the jobbing is in a triangle shape

[Manowar]

Only way I could see Islam chars being stronger than Euro chars is if Islam chars have a ton of absolute dmg skills. But on a more serious note I'm not really sure why there's such discussion on the Islam race right now when the only two things we know is that 1) They're a summon race and 2) The weapons they use. We still don't know a ton of important information about the race as in the abilities of the summoned minions, the masteries and builds available with those masteries, whether their weapons are 1 stat dmg (like euro) or 2 stat dmg (like chinese), pot delay, the type of skills these classes use (are they AOE attacks/absolute dmg/etc), how they do in solo and party play, etc.

The point is since there's no in game inclusion of Islam characters on any Sro version we don't really have any idea on how they will play and if we don't have any idea on how we will play we don't have any idea on how they'll rank up against the other races. It would be like trying to make a tier list for Super Smash Bros Brawl 2-3 months before the game came out when no one has any real experience with all of the characters included in the game. In the end the tier list people make then could be grossly inaccurate to the tier list that comes out after the game.

[brentonsbbe359]

people


this is nothing like the triangular conflict, if islam is stronger than euro than its the first triangle in this game


the triangular conflict isnt even a triangle at all, but just a point with two segments off of it

what you just said made as little sense as this

how does it not make sense



if infact that make islam stronger than euro but weaker than chinese then its the first actual triangle of this game, unless by somehow u can explain to me how the jobbing is in a triangle shape

its not literally a "triangle" shape. and use a period some time... these little dots can make a sentince a lot different.

[JustaDude]

Dmg output:
Euro > chinese > islam

Defense & HP regeneration rate:
Islam > chinese > euro

+1

It will probably be like this, but as said before, we cant speculate yet since this is not comming anytime soon.

[Amalie]

Me > Everyone else

screw islam, euros and any other races lol chinese FTW forever.

[Barotix]

Was my post over-looked?
Joymax doesn't classify the civs based off of damage out-put or hp regeneration. The classification is based on their specialization (i.e.)Chinese = Solo, Europe = Party, and Islam = "Fence-Sitter".

I refer to this again:

1--------2--------3
European:
[1]Solo
[3]Party
[2]Overall

Chinese:
[3]Solo
[1]Party
[2]Overall

Islam:
[2]Solo
[2]Party
[2]Overall

Overall:
so: [2]=[2]=[2]
Substitution: European = Islam = Chinese

Party: [3]>[2]>[1]
Substitution: European > Mixed=Islam > Chinese

Solo: [1]<[2]<[3]
Substitution: European < Islam < Chinese

Overall: Meaning, when you look at the pros and cons they should even up.
Party: Meaning, when you look at the pros and cons Europe should be first with Islam Second and Chinese Last.
Solo: Meaning, when look at the pros and cons Chinese should be first with Islam second and European last.

I'll translate:
Duels: Chinese>Islam>European
Wars: European>Islam>Chinese

Since Chinese Is On the Extreme High end in duels and the Extreme low end in Wars it rest in the middle. Since Europeans is on the extreme high end in wars and the extreme low end in duels it rest in the middle. Finally, since Islam is in the middle for both it rest in the middle overall.

So Overall PvP: Chinese = European = Islam.

I'll use numbers for those "people"... 3 being the highest and 1 being the lowest.
Chinese get a 3 and 1
Europeans get a 1 and 3
Islam Gets a 2 and 2

Take the averages:
Chinese: 3+1 = 4/2 = 2
European: 1+3 = 4/2 = 2
Islam: 2+2 = 4/2 = 2

Another matter: Define overpowered, because from my point of view it looks like everyone is talking about damage and neglecting other factors. What you guys want to know is HOW joymax is going to create the Chinese = European = Islam, well there is no way to answer that. So just be happy you know it'll balance out.

EDIT: This is not runescape the races are not at war, Joymax made the game aiming to add different options for players:

You want to solo and despise the traditional party based game? Go Chinese.
You want to party because you're used to WoW? Go European.
You're not sure which one you prefer more? Go Islam.

That is the underlying reasoning behind Joymax' programming.

[DarkJackal]

Even though we dunno anything about euro, i'm lookin forward to it, a new race I might enjoy, since Euro wasn't for me.

Just hope theres pot delay.

[William-CL]

I think they should have balanced them out more in pvp anyway. Like whenever someone put's on a job flag, they get a power boost accordingly to balance euro and china and islam when it comes. And also make the pot delay the same for all of them while pvp items are equipped. The only reason they would be better is better gear and skill. Because euro are stronger by default.

[foudre]

Even though we dunno anything about euro, i'm lookin forward to it, a new race I might enjoy, since Euro wasn't for me.

Just hope theres pot delay.

maybe you dont' know anything about euro but the rest of us do

[DarkJackal]

Even though we dunno anything about euro, i'm lookin forward to it, a new race I might enjoy, since Euro wasn't for me.

Just hope theres pot delay.

maybe you dont' know anything about euro but the rest of us do

=.= lol, Islam^

And "no" pot delay, damnit lol.

[MrFudge]

A decent Chinese can tank that too..So that would be a fight to the end.

Lets say its a blader. He will be in garment most likely, since 90% of STR chars are. At the 80 cap, with a +9 normal 2h, all you need is 2 lucky crits and hes dead. Now, add a sosun. That would be like a +15 weapon, not including reinforce. No decent Chinese could tank that. ONLY Chinese that could POSSIBLY tank that would be a pure str bow, and thats all he could do. Tank. 6 arrow + 5 arrow over and over. Once the 2h gets a knockdown or stun on him, game over.

Yeah a normal +9 lol..There's only been one +9 2hander on Xian, and that one failed +10 xD

a +7 2hand can double crit anyone to death, and if that doesn't work the almost-instant turn rising kills them off.

And i fail to see how 90 cap will "even" out euros and chinese.

If you go look at the skills damage gain most euro skills can only lvl up twice from 80 to 90, and even then they gain more power than chinese that can lvl it up 5 times. How many chinese get new books? as far as ive seen glaives and bowman already got soul spear emperor and strong bow craft. And bladers needed that double stab. The int's generally die due to the already overpowered euro damage, even in snow shield.

[William-CL]

a +7 2hand can double crit anyone to death, and if that doesn't work the almost-instant turn rising kills them off.

A sun 2H is something worth running away from IMO lol.

[uBeR]

Only way I could see Islam chars being stronger than Euro chars is if Islam chars have a ton of absolute dmg skills. But on a more serious note I'm not really sure why there's such discussion on the Islam race right now when the only two things we know is that 1) They're a summon race and 2) The weapons they use. We still don't know a ton of important information about the race as in the abilities of the summoned minions, the masteries and builds available with those masteries, whether their weapons are 1 stat dmg (like euro) or 2 stat dmg (like chinese), pot delay, the type of skills these classes use (are they AOE attacks/absolute dmg/etc), how they do in solo and party play, etc.

The point is since there's no in game inclusion of Islam characters on any Sro version we don't really have any idea on how they will play and if we don't have any idea on how we will play we don't have any idea on how they'll rank up against the other races. It would be like trying to make a tier list for Super Smash Bros Brawl 2-3 months before the game came out when no one has any real experience with all of the characters included in the game. In the end the tier list people make then could be grossly inaccurate to the tier list that comes out after the game.

I was simply making a suggestion for how Joymax could potentially make a game worth playing.

[ThisIsAvalon]

That is the underlying reasoning behind Joymax' programming.

Wrong. That MIGHT have been the reasoning behind Joymax' programming 3 years ago, but its not now. Want to know what it is now?




Two things will happen:

1) They will make Islam just completely dominate the other two races, so people will play them again and buy silk ALL over again.

2) They will add Islam in, but its just a novelty char, just like Chinese. People only play then when they're bored and want to goof around, just like how chinese are. Why? Joymax is dumb as rocks.

[Barotix]

That is the underlying reasoning behind Joymax' programming.

Wrong. That MIGHT have been the reasoning behind Joymax' programming 3 years ago, but its not now. Want to know what it is now?

You got me there They love their cash money, to bad they're losing out. >.>

[William-CL]

That is the underlying reasoning behind Joymax' programming.

Wrong. That MIGHT have been the reasoning behind Joymax' programming 3 years ago, but its not now. Want to know what it is now?

I swear there should be a rule about the continuous posts about this -.-
It seems ppl use it to + their post count...Although it's true. I think seeing it 100000000 times a week is quite annoying..

[ThisIsAvalon]

You got me there They love their cash money, to bad they're losing out. >.>

Yup. If Joymax was smarter, they'd have found even better ways to steal the cash out of our pockets. They just touched the surface of the cash cow that is iSRO. Heres a few:

1) Stat reallocation
2) Inventory space
3) Pet inventory
4) Guild lvl 6+ in item mall
5) Union more then 8 in item mall
6) Unique instances such as Ivy quest in item mall
7) Zerk scrolls
Premium + + + (lol)
9) Premium areas, only accessable with item mall
10) Weddings
11) Premium races, only accessable with item mall
12) Skills purchased in item mall
13) 150% + run speed scrolls
14) Seal of Honor weapons
15) Honor Points
16) Gold
17) Level even, if they were that greedy
18) Adding the tiger + yeoha hats back in
19) Adding GDF's to item mall
20) Bots in item mall, if they were that greedy
21) List goes on ...

[MrTwilliger]

had to wait 24 dam hours to post this...
so not worth it >.>

"since when were we playing scissor paper rock?"

[Detective]

What's the point of saying SUN this will own this and SUN that will own that.... In actual fact tell me which Sun Weapon is not going to OWN shit be it BOW, Crossbow or whatever. Let's talk about fair PVP with +5 weap. Why is chinese char users complaining about losing so much euro 1v1 fair fight I don't understand. Euro is the easiest to kill in normal 1v1 pvp, just run for your life when someone is blessed though

[Nixie]

This is nothing that should be made, this is something that will be made they way you wrote it. Every race will have it's weak points against a race and resistances against the other.

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

This is nothing that should be made, this is something that will be made they way you wrote it. Every race will have it's weak points against a race and resistances against the other.

but euro is overpowered anyway

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

had to wait 24 dam hours to post this...
so not worth it >.>

"since when were we playing scissor paper rock?"

hahahaha

[Nixie]

This is nothing that should be made, this is something that will be made they way you wrote it. Every race will have it's weak points against a race and resistances against the other.

but euro is overpowered anyway

Double post?

Anyway, if Europeans are overpowered, why don't you make yourself an European character and leave that lame Chinese character if you think so? Switch to Europe or stop complaining... and vise-versa.

[__ViRuS__]

but what could they do to make islam able to kill euros better then chinese can?

time will tell.. maybe more dps, so that they can outdamage the euro pots.. but the chinese wont have probz with them due to the tiny pot delay the chinese have,


personally i think it will work siwht summoning monsters or somethingi n that direction.

like having 10 Wolves (but then ingame monsters)

and they ill act just like normal wolves. so they can attac kthe euro's and you run away like a pussie and chinese can handel the DPS from 10 wolves easily so they can chase the islam person and 1/2/3 hit them.

thats my guess probably wrong but who cares i like the idea

wellevery thing u said was WRONG i dont think islam is gonna
be easy kill and they cant summon 10 wolves they can summon spirits like fire spirit cold ........etc
i wish islam come fast

[Nixie]

Cruor has already pk2 edited those spirits, that will be probably the Islam summons. They're like invisible humans, burning in a red and blue flame (that's what I've seen so far).