Exposed PK2ers

Vandango · Post by **Vandango** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:24 am

3rd Party programs like SRO_Loader are classed as cheating amoung this forum because you gain An "Unfair Advantage" over other players With Zoom-Hack , NO Disconnection Upon Failure to login , Muti Clienting which are all classed as cheats and in SRO_LOADERS Case , a 3rd party program because it is required to run before SRO is ran to get these "Advantages" , This is a Direct modification of sro_client.exe and is prohibbited in the Joymax TOS

However the modification of the .pk2 is not mentioned anywhere and editing armor or weapons just for looks is no advantage at all , however there have been some harmful pk2 edits which have infact made and given the player and "unfair advantage" for exsmaple for the GM pk2 edits which given the play a GM Tag And was visible to other players, although this was good for DC-in Bots (And Boy it was fun to see my union to go "O **** GM PROMPT IM SO Farking BANNED") it is still harmful to other players , edits like GM Tag , invsible pk2 edit we do not allow because they give players advantages.

i even pk2 edit my self occasionly , its quite fun to see my self in equipement ill never earn for my self while these ****** bots / muticlienters running around ,

The game is meant to be played where you EARN the equipment

True quote but how can we Earn 10th Degree Equips when there not in ISRO (Sounding cocky XD)

dShiny · Post by **dShiny** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:11 am

Pk2 editing is part of the game 'n im <3 it.
And srf is separated from gaymax so this topic is teh phail

MrFudge · Post by **MrFudge** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:18 am

You don't think changing degrees of equips is giving an advantage to some?
How about i change all 8d third tier equips into 10th degree Armor.
Suddenly it goes from good to bad? lol.
Now let me step outside in my thief suit and aboslutely obliterate everyone not in 10th degree armor because I can judge who is in 3rd tier as opposed to 1st and 2nd.

And newsflash there are other No-Disconnect programs besides 'SRO Loader' but you guys are so obsessed with finding something wrong with No-DC tool that you have to include quite possibly the only one that also includes multiclient, swear, and zoom hack.

Think of it as a rollback, you know 90% of the world think windows vista is complete shit. They go back to XP cuz vistas security features, other apps, etc are almost pointless. No one likes the DC pop up here, it doesnt stop bots, it really doesn't do anything and you all damn know it. It's almost as pointless as the image verification.

Sleepy1338 · Post by **Sleepy1338** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:07 pm

How the hell is a NO-DC an advantange? Its so you can Farking log in!!!!!! Maybe some people have slow computers where it takes the client 3-5 minutes to load up. Doing that every time for when you get disconnected. Thats Farking insane. Zoom hack isn't an advantage either btw..you can't see anything but the scenery when your zoomed out past the normal draw distance or w.e.

I love people debating about no-dc clients when they have absolutely no clue how they work and never used one.

Post by **Blindfire** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:25 pm

Sleepy1338 wrote:How the hell is a NO-DC an advantange? Its so you can Farking log in!!!!!! Maybe some people have slow computers where it takes the client 3-5 minutes to load up. Doing that every time for when you get disconnected. Thats Farking insane. Zoom hack isn't an advantage either btw..you can't see anything but the scenery when your zoomed out past the normal draw distance or w.e.

I love people debating about no-dc clients when they have absolutely no clue how they work and never used one.

So what you are saying is you have.

Cresta · Post by **Cresta** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:28 pm

Ban me =[
I use pk2 edits >_<

KillAndChill · Post by **KillAndChill** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:34 pm

Last time I checked Joymax hasn't published a hex editor or a pk2 exporter/importer, so to pk2 editors...

quit using third party programs to alter silkroad.

nohunta · Post by **nohunta** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:57 pm

KillAndChill wrote:Last time I checked Joymax hasn't published a hex editor or a pk2 exporter/importer, so to pk2 editors...

quit using third party programs to alter silkroad.

There we go. Just as they havent given out No-DC's. You may be right that pk2 edits arent against joymax TOS but you guys dont follow joymax remeber? SG said it from his own mouth.

Barotix · Post by **Barotix** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:38 pm

MrFudge wrote:You don't think changing degrees of equips is giving an advantage to some?
How about i change all 8d third tier equips into 10th degree Armor.
Suddenly it goes from good to bad? lol.

I was wondering when someone would post that. Set all second tier to 9d and 3rd tier to 10d, that is cheating. Thing is you seem to have missed my post:

you're grouping all pk2s together. There is a point where a pk2er must draw the line between harmless editing and malicious cheating.

Translation: You, as a pk2er must know where to stop. You, as a pk2er must know at which point the editing is no longer in good fun. You, as a pk2er must realize that just because you are given the tools doesn't mean you need to abuse them. You, as the pk2er are responsible for your actions and as such must man up. There is no bullshit "Nah, son the tools told me to cheat. I had no part in it brah". nah, you see thats not how it works. BS like that doesn't work irl and it sure as hell won't work in game. Being given the tools and the basics does not give you a license to cheat.

Once Again:

you're grouping all pk2s together. There is a point where a pk2er must draw the line between harmless editing and malicious cheating.

As a pk2er you must know where to draw the line. It is easy to see what is harmless editing, its simple ~ don't turn harmless editing into cheating.

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:44 pm

+∞ to Barotix

Weird. Why on earth ppl cant see the difference between a gun in a police's hand and a gun in a mafia's hand, while they use the same weapon :roll:

sirs1ayer · Post by **sirs1ayer** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:58 pm

you're grouping all pk2s together. There is a point where a pk2er must draw the line between harmless editing and malicious cheating.

Couldn't you say this about all editing though?

Say i made a program that ONLY had no-dc so people could log in.. There is no advantage in game besides quicker times to logging in, once you do log in the advantage ceases... yes it's editing the client..
BUT, in pk2 editing your editing a file in the silkroad folder.. so err?

Barotix · Post by **Barotix** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:09 pm

sirs1ayer wrote:
you're grouping all pk2s together. There is a point where a pk2er must draw the line between harmless editing and malicious cheating.

Couldn't you say this about all editing though?

Say i made a program that ONLY had no-dc so people could log in.. There is no advantage in game besides quicker times to logging in, once you do log in the advantage ceases... yes it's editing the client..
BUT, in pk2 editing your editing a file in the silkroad folder.. so err?

a level 16 editing his bow/gear to 8d to the level 16, while farming at the den, can go: "in the end its all worth it, just a little bit longer and I'll be wearing this for real." Or a level 29 blader pk2ing the chains to future ones so he can go "Soon, I'll be doing this for real" or "man, these chains are the shit".

The game parameters dictate that everyone should d/c upon encountering traffic. No D/c changes that and allows you to enter without worrying about d/c while others pull their hairs out while minimizing rev6 and go "**** YOU JOYMAX!!" then they cave, buy a premium, and still can't even log in to activate it. I'm not sure it would require me to go to my room and check, but I think you can remove d/c through pk2.

This doesn't just apply to pk2.
Harmless editing|Cheating (Gaining an advantage originally not set by the designers).
You can rationalize it and try to tweak it a little, but it is what it is:
Playful editing|Cheating.

sirs1ayer · Post by **sirs1ayer** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:27 pm

Barotix wrote:
sirs1ayer wrote:
you're grouping all pk2s together. There is a point where a pk2er must draw the line between harmless editing and malicious cheating.

Couldn't you say this about all editing though?

Say i made a program that ONLY had no-dc so people could log in.. There is no advantage in game besides quicker times to logging in, once you do log in the advantage ceases... yes it's editing the client..
BUT, in pk2 editing your editing a file in the silkroad folder.. so err?

a level 16 editing his bow/gear to 8d to the level 16, while farming at the den, can go: "in the end its all worth it, just a little bit longer and I'll be wearing this for real." Or a level 29 blader pk2ing the chains to future ones so he can go "Soon, I'll be doing this for real" or "man, these chains are the shit".

The game parameters dictate that everyone should d/c upon encountering traffic. No D/c changes that and allows you to enter without worrying about d/c while others pull their hairs out while minimizing rev6 and go "**** YOU JOYMAX!!" then they cave, buy a premium, and still can't even log in to activate it. I'm not sure it would require me to go to my room and check, but I think you can remove d/c through pk2.

This doesn't just apply to pk2.
Harmless editing|Cheating (Gaining an advantage originally not set by the designers).
You can rationalize it and try to tweak it a little, but it is what it is:
Playful editing|Cheating.

so acording to SRF rules
Cheating is ok as long as you don't use a program to do it.

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:42 pm

sirs1ayer wrote:Say i made a program that ONLY had no-dc so people could log in.. There is no advantage in game besides quicker times to logging in, once you do log in the advantage ceases... yes it's editing the client..

Here we go. A small word just break your whole argument.
Ceased or not ceased, an advantage is an advantage.

Barotix · Post by **Barotix** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:47 pm

sirs1ayer wrote:<snip>

so acording to SRF rules
Cheating is ok as long as you don't use a program to do it.

SRF doesn't advocate cheating. Don't twist my words, The whole point of my post is that you shouldn't group in all Edits. It depends how and what the person uses it for that determines whether or not it is cheating.

sirs1ayer · Post by **sirs1ayer** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:51 pm

NuclearSilo wrote:
sirs1ayer wrote:Say i made a program that ONLY had no-dc so people could log in.. There is no advantage in game besides quicker times to logging in, once you do log in the advantage ceases... yes it's editing the client..

Here we go. A small word just break your whole argument.
Ceased or not ceased, an advantage is an advantage.

oki
i get it i guess, just joymax sells no-dc for 20$ a month or whatev the silver is.

barotix> i was just reading srf rules. it doesn't say that cheating isn't allowed.. just using a cheating program isn't allowed. which is offtopic from your post.. i just really didn't get what you were trying to say. lol. that pk2's are harmless.. well how is a no-dc harmfull?

Barotix · Post by **Barotix** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:03 pm

sirs1ayer wrote:
NuclearSilo wrote:
sirs1ayer wrote:Say i made a program that ONLY had no-dc so people could log in.. There is no advantage in game besides quicker times to logging in, once you do log in the advantage ceases... yes it's editing the client..

Here we go. A small word just break your whole argument.
Ceased or not ceased, an advantage is an advantage.

oki
i get it i guess, just joymax sells no-dc for 20$ a month or whatev the silver is.

barotix> i was just reading srf rules. it doesn't say that cheating isn't allowed.. just using a cheating program isn't allowed. which is offtopic from your post.. i just really didn't get what you were trying to say. lol. that pk2's are harmless.. well how is a no-dc harmfull?

Now, now. I didn't say pk2s are harmless. Some are harmless and are purely meant to inform, others give you an advantage and therefore are classified as harmful to the natural balance within the game. You're still putting all pk2s into one group, you have valid points, but when you put the pk2s into one group you kind of shoot yourself in the foot. What you and others are most likely thinking is: SRF should nuke the tools to pk2, you understand that won't stop people from pk2ing with note-pad.

SRF is classified as a Legit forum and as such there is one unwritten rule that should be understood: No Cheaters Welcome. With cheating you don't need to classify, you should know where cheating begins and where it stops.

So the current argument is:
The tools should be nuked because they give people what they need to cheat.
Counter:
Being given the tools does not mean you should abuse them to cheat then blame it on the forum that supplied the tools. Simply because you are given a gun to protect yourself doesn't mean you should go murder then blame the group that gave you the gun. You are responsible for your own actions, not SRF.

sirs1ayer · Post by **sirs1ayer** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:09 pm

like in real life.. it's up to the person to decided what is right and wrong.
and there is no way for us to tell what a person is pk2 editing so
we're stuck, give guides and incentive of not getting banned to keep someone from cheating.. when yet it can't even be enforced.
oh well it's the thought that counts. lol

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:11 pm

sirs1ayer wrote:barotix> i was just reading srf rules. it doesn't say that cheating isn't allowed.. just using a cheating program isn't allowed. which is offtopic from your post.. i just really didn't get what you were trying to say. lol. that pk2's are harmless.. well how is a no-dc harmfull?

Maybe the rule doesnt say so. Cheating is not welcome here, as well as hacking, scamming, which are not mentioned in the rule. If u want to try to proceed these acts, everyone will piss u off.
As for the sentence above, u are wrong again.

pk2's are harmless

is wrong
But

some pk2's are harmless

is right

For instance, 2 complete different stories:

human is wicked

some ppl are wicked

Axeoo7 · Post by **Axeoo7** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:19 pm

All you no-dc clienters are cheating and geting an unfair advantage on people who dont use it like me takes me longer to log in beacause people are cheating and geting in faster.

Azilius · Post by **Azilius** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:26 pm

Why the hell is there ANOTHER Pk2 editing thread like this..

SRF makes whatever rules they want, so stop complaining and get over it? It's just like the people whining about banning people from SRF...god damn go outside.

sirs1ayer · Post by **sirs1ayer** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:32 pm

Azilius wrote:Why the hell is there ANOTHER Pk2 editing thread like this..

SRF makes whatever rules they want, so stop complaining and get over it? It's just like the people whining about banning people from SRF...god damn go outside.

if everyone just accepted rules and didn't question them.. we'd all be dead or communists with no freedom?
chill man

Timmeh · Post by **Timmeh** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:59 pm

Let SRF's Mods do what ever they want with the rules, i don't care.
The only reason i come on here is to seek advice about Silkroad Online, not to debate about peoples opinions on what rules should be put in place.

The rules here are stupid here anyhows. ^^

William-CL · Post by **William-CL** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:03 pm

NO-DC ---> 3rd Party Use (Illegal and bannable offense by JM for tampering with the client.

Pk2 ---> as Barotix said you must know where to draw the line. It's a pretty thick line and should be hard to stay on the right side.

If it is simply an edit to make you or your surroundings look cool, then I don't see why it would be a big deal.
If it gives you an advantage without disadvantaging other players, then I don't see why it shouldn't be allowed,(although that would be hard.)
If you edit to disadvantage others with thief suit and stealth. Then it would be frowned upon.

KillAndChill · Post by **KillAndChill** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:34 pm

Blackdragon6 wrote:NO-DC ---> 3rd Party Use (Illegal and bannable offense by JM for tampering with the client.

Pk2 ---> as Barotix said you must know where to draw the line. It's a pretty thick line and should be hard to stay on the right side.

You forgot to add that pk2 editing is illegal and is a bannable offense by JM.

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:37 pm

Who care? SRF doesnt follow JM ToS

KillAndChill · Post by **KillAndChill** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:40 pm

NuclearSilo wrote:Who care? SRF doesnt follow JM ToS

I was pointing out that his post was misleading. If you say one is bannable and then you don't state that the other is bannable, you give the impression that you are saying that the other isn't bannable.

SiNaC · Post by **SiNaC** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:42 pm

You guys are a bunch of effing hypocrites.

pk2 editing = cheating!
There's NO way around that.

Having said that: It doesn't matter one bit. SRF make their own rules.

For all we care they could legitimize (as far as the SRF goes anyway) the use of rev6 bot, and ban other-bot users. And you wouldn't be able to do anything about it. 'They' own the forum, 'they' make the rules. You follow the rules or leave!

Skayunor · Post by **Skayunor** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:01 pm

SiNaC wrote:pk2 editing = cheating!
There's NO way around that.

"Hmm, a russian guy stole my bike, all russians are thiefs!"

Good Pk2ing: Pk2 edits used ONLY for your and other people's amusement.
(Getting that sweet 10th degree Glaive, making a Mangyang nuke, doing Somersaults instead of regular walking)
Bad Pk2ing: Every and all Pk2 edits used to deliver an unfair advantage over others in whatever way.
(Seeing invisible/stealthed people, seeing a thief's armor, enlarging unique mobs)

And it wouldn't hurt to read what NuclearSilo writes.

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:43 pm

What's so hard to understand? Plz dont oblige me to call u noob.

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