will anyone make the 150 cap with out a bot?

lazybum · Post by **lazybum** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:22 am

id like to take one cap at a time

imp3r10 · Post by **imp3r10** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:35 am

JewishZombie wrote:
firefox6 wrote:i did not wanna get to off topic the other topic so i started a new one.

do you really think you can get to the 150 cap with out a bot?
100 maybe for a few people but 120+ will never happen without a bot..

what do you think..

ps if you never hand grinded a lvl 80 then you should not reply.

No. I have hand grinded to 64 on one char (0-gapped, pure int spear)....sp farmed insane amounts on a nuker char with an som spear at the penons(a lot...hybrid spear...which sucks)....

And no, I honestly don't believe that it is possible.
1) sp requirements are insane...you'd have to be grinding for days at a 9 gap to increase a SINGLE skill.
2) 140 cap...? At the 80 cap...90-95% of the server bots....of that, close to 99% of the level 80s who aren't crappy builds (i.e. hybrid blader, hybrid glaive, hybrid sword shield...mostly just hybrid anything but bow) and are fully farmed...are botted. At 90 cap...most players will be changing over if they want to have fun pvping/castle sieging/etc. If this game honestly just gave people fully farmed accounts max to 80....yeah...it'd be a lot more fun. >.<
3) ...just...no.

And I think cap is 140...not 150.

i disagree with your crappy hybrid sword shield, honestly i think its one fo the best builds out there

THE_ZUL · Post by **THE_ZUL** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:44 am

the require sp r insane..so farming at low lvl

JewishZombie · Post by **JewishZombie** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:09 am

imp3r10 wrote:
JewishZombie wrote:
firefox6 wrote:i did not wanna get to off topic the other topic so i started a new one.

do you really think you can get to the 150 cap with out a bot?
100 maybe for a few people but 120+ will never happen without a bot..

what do you think..

ps if you never hand grinded a lvl 80 then you should not reply.

No. I have hand grinded to 64 on one char (0-gapped, pure int spear)....sp farmed insane amounts on a nuker char with an som spear at the penons(a lot...hybrid spear...which sucks)....

And no, I honestly don't believe that it is possible.
1) sp requirements are insane...you'd have to be grinding for days at a 9 gap to increase a SINGLE skill.
2) 140 cap...? At the 80 cap...90-95% of the server bots....of that, close to 99% of the level 80s who aren't crappy builds (i.e. hybrid blader, hybrid glaive, hybrid sword shield...mostly just hybrid anything but bow) and are fully farmed...are botted. At 90 cap...most players will be changing over if they want to have fun pvping/castle sieging/etc. If this game honestly just gave people fully farmed accounts max to 80....yeah...it'd be a lot more fun. >.<
3) ...just...no.

And I think cap is 140...not 150.

i disagree with your crappy hybrid sword shield, honestly i think its one fo the best builds out there

As you'll slowly see, there's a shift in pvp from solo efforts...to group pvp. A hybrid s/s...is nothing to fear...the damage is bad...(better than blader) but without the survivability.

Furthermore, any str that's added...could also be made up by a single euro buff...

tedtwilliger · Post by **tedtwilliger** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:15 am

I actually think it is possible, but only with a certain situation. Here it is, we get 8 euro characters, we spend 4 months (or however long it takes) power farming them 3 million sp each. Then, the 8 characters controlled by 8 different users 0 gap and grind in the same party each day, getting the same xp per kill leveling at the same time. They all have gt + sp ticket + pt + monkey + w/e other grinding enhancing items you would think of. they all grind for 3 hours per day and just grind out their tickets, don't want them going overboard

It would probably take 2 years or so, but at the insane rate that an efficient 0 gapping euro party can level, its do able.

With that said, its very unlikely and i have no doubt that this game will be shut down long before the 150 cap.

___ONLY___ · Post by **___ONLY___** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:52 am

without silk definitely impossible
how much of the 80s now are bots lol? imagine 150 cap
joymax will probably release some silk item that gives u 10000% xp/sp and it will probably cost something like 700 silk lol

DarkEagle · Post by **DarkEagle** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:04 pm

nothing is impossible

bebrazz · Post by **bebrazz** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:47 pm

Chuck Norris will.

Nyahgis · Post by **Nyahgis** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:57 pm

1st of all: Who cares if its atainable? It be nice if it were rediculously difficult to do as to warrant some importance to the level. What's so impressive about being level 80 when there's 1000s of others who are 80 as well? I think it be fun to always have something to "work" to that would be rediculously difficult to attain. If you see somebody that was lvl 150, and hell, perhaps even fully farmed, you would definitely be impressed. It oughta be a rare sight...

2nd of all: I doubt it will be "impossible" to attain. It might take a week of botting per level, but somebody will get there.

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:59 pm

Lvl ----- Exp requirement ----- Sp requirement ---- Exp each mob kill
140 ------ 34900085783 ----------- 100247 -------------- 30462

So u have to kill 1145692 mobs ~ 286423 sp
~ 0.000001% each mob

I also calculated the number of mob to go from lvl 80->140

12000177 mobs ~ 3000044 sp

If u have the fastest rate of hunting ie 5s a mob u need at least 23 months (for bot pure int). If u have no life and play 10h a day, u need more than 4 years.
Or worst, u play 3h a day => u need 15 years

Not counting the sp farm part yet of course.

Average speed of hunting is 10s a mob, and if u are pure str blader and if u play 10h a day, u need 16 years.

DarkEagle · Post by **DarkEagle** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:12 pm

NuclearSilo wrote:Lvl ----- Exp requirement ----- Sp requirement ---- Exp each mob kill
140 ------ 34900085783 ----------- 100247 -------------- 30462

So u have to kill 1145692 mobs ~ 286423 sp
~ 0.000001% each mob

I also calculated the number of mob to go from lvl 80->140

12000177 mobs ~ 3000044 sp

If u have the fastest rate of hunting ie 5s a mob u need at least 23 months (for bot pure int). If u have no life and play 10h a day, u need more than 4 years.
Or worst, u play 3h a day => u need 15 years

Not counting the sp farm part yet of course.

Average speed of hunting is 10s a mob, and if u are pure str blader and if u play 10h a day, u need 16 years.

but [on the other hand] you have a game years ahead to play.

Gh0d · Post by **Gh0d** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:31 pm

heroo · Post by **heroo** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 2:05 pm

no.

conclusion >> :roll:

skyduck · Post by **skyduck** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:47 pm

I highly doubt that the leveling model will be solely depended on grinding at the later stage of the game. I guess there would be some new ways to level and perhaps a quest to deliver a small hp pot from say Const. to the cave in Ja at level say 120 will give you 60% of exp. XD

Sisay · Post by **Sisay** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:06 pm

I will never use bot

Gh0d · Post by **Gh0d** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:07 pm

Sisay wrote:I will never use bot

Never say never

UniQ · Post by **UniQ** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:09 pm

if the exp per mob wont increase, NO, not even possible for 24/7 bots...
but joymax will make some new tickets with 500% more exp&sp etc... im sure theyll do that

poehalcho · Post by **poehalcho** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:18 pm

though the highest character i've made is only lvl 36, i think it should be possible, that's why they are adding 7 uniques in the caves. uniques give alot of exp which makes it possible to do. so there will probably be alot more uniques after these.

Zygis · Post by **Zygis** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:19 pm

i think max lvl will be 140 lvl too

so what do u players thing? will there be 13 degrees? impossible because degree is made according to zodiac sights. so there is only 12. if there would be 150 cap after 130 lvl~~~ u would not get any more new items

DrWicked · Post by **DrWicked** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:57 pm

I will never use bot cuz i wont spend 100$ per month on bot and silks.

shoto · Post by **shoto** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:03 pm

maybe enemies will drop more exp

and it won't be 'that' bad

i keep telling myself that anyway

Mistumi · Post by **Mistumi** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:05 pm

joymax loosing them players because they just don't care you bot ,hack , or you play and buy silk . If you get hack they just don't care so i think till 150cap will be add on isro 99% of players will be BOTS

Cruor · Post by **Cruor** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:23 pm

Carnophage wrote:
And I think cap is 140...not 150.

You're wrong.

Show me where Joymax explicitly stated that the final cap will be 150.

3rd tier 12D weapons will be 118. All level-based data stops at 140. Saying he is wrong with such certainty is ignorant.

[SD]Kratos · Post by **[SD]Kratos** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:24 pm

Cruor wrote:
Carnophage wrote:
And I think cap is 140...not 150.

You're wrong.
Show me where Joymax explicitly stated that the final cap will be 150.

3rd tier 12D weapons will be 118. All level-based data stops at 140. Saying he is wrong with such certainty is ignorant.

People are just so sure of this because of the 300 max mastery...

Kazaxat · Post by **Kazaxat** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:57 pm

Ironhide wrote:
Sisay wrote:I will never use bot

Never say never

+1

I've had MANY guildmates and union mates that said that, then one day resort to using a bot.

Remember that almost everyone were anti-bot before they become a bot.

ShadowSpell · Post by **ShadowSpell** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:02 pm

Cruor wrote:
Carnophage wrote:
And I think cap is 140...not 150.

You're wrong.
Show me where Joymax explicitly stated that the final cap will be 150.

3rd tier 12D weapons will be 118. All level-based data stops at 140. Saying he is wrong with such certainty is ignorant.

Its was said by Morningdew about 4-5 months ago that the end cap will be 150 leaving you 2 masteries, I sure would find that post if silkroad.net had a search fuction, and no I didnt pull that out off my @ss

Kazaxat · Post by **Kazaxat** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:04 pm

soulreapr wrote:
Cruor wrote:
Carnophage wrote:
And I think cap is 140...not 150.

You're wrong.
Show me where Joymax explicitly stated that the final cap will be 150.

3rd tier 12D weapons will be 118. All level-based data stops at 140. Saying he is wrong with such certainty is ignorant.

Its was said by Morningdew about 4-5 months ago that the end cap will be 150 leaving you 2 masteries, I sure would find that post if silkroad.net had a search fuction, and no I didnt pull that out off my @ss

The young padawan is right, Cruor. Also saying the game will stop expanding at 140 is ignorant.

XCaosX · Post by **XCaosX** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:06 pm

Just one question,why you guys are talking about cap 140-150(who know what it'll be) when we still dont have cap 90?xD

Corvix · Post by **Corvix** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:09 pm

You guys underestimate what Joymax can do with the game's economy. What makes you think they won't add major experience gains from Castle Siege? They might even change the amount of experience gained from a monster, that way it can be easier to get levels.

Everyone always hangs crap on Joymax, but as bad as they are, they need to stop working on gamepay and more on updating the server capacity, as well as the security. The gameplay is just fine.

/Pi · Post by **/Pi** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:09 pm

It's possible, even if they raise it to 300. The main reason people say it is impossible is the amount of time it takes, though very ridiculous.

Just because it takes a large amount of time, that does not mean botting is the only solution. Most players that have the opposite kind of thinking usually end up botting - because it takes a lot of their time.

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