What has pwr lvl'ing got to do with not being 'legit'

[JohnBernas]

PLeveling is totally legit unless the PLeveler is a botter.

No rules have been broken for the one being powerleveled. Caution when the facilitator is one playing without presence. Ignoring this fact is akin to supporting its actions.

[Vindicator]

It's only legit if BlackFox plvls you

It's part of the game and available for everyone. Nothing wrong with it.

lol

[tomiotar]

Ive powerleveled 4 account for me with my main account and Ive helped several friends a lot of times. The thing that Ive never done is powerlevel someone if I dont know him. Ive help to level my friends from before the euro patch, usaully when they are on the last level before changing weapons (that is usually when is harder to level). It wasnt against any rules before euro patch and its not against any rule now.

If JM put any kind of rule against powerlevel I will stop doing it, but is clear that JM allows powerlevel meanwhile isnt excesive with the rules of the xp penalties, if you want to go too fast.

[ThugLife[KoS]]

Hmm i dont see how its unlegit Jm added academy for a reason so you could power level lower level people in your academy to get honor points to buy honor items its down to main player if they want to spend there time power leveling people.

People who think its not legit is because they dont have any high level buddys who can power level them so they are just jelous.

Not everyone has anything they want.

I have plenty of high level friends that could power level me, and I've received several offers. I always turn them down. The main reason I am against botting (I know this topic isn't about botting, but just making a point) is that botters gain exp and level without doing anything to actually earn it. Someone who botted to a high level, imo, doesn't deserve that level.

If you get yourself power leveled while you sit on a horse or other transport, or otherwise don't do any fighting yourself, and just soak up the exp, you don't deserve your high level. You did nothing to achieve that level.

Botting - you got high level without doing anything.
power leveling - you got high level without doing anything.

It's not just about 3rd party applications or being jealous because I don't have high level friends that can do it. I do have them...

Just my $0.02.

Is Power leveling against Jm rules? why do you think 11 levels is cap for being power leveled? everything has a limit and if you have a academy and you want a good feed back from when your little minions which get promoted at level 40 i think they be more then happy to give you max mark at level 40 if you helped them level.

Do you know how long it would take people to get 1k honor points from people who you dont power level? trust me it would take months even years so i think power leveling has been put into game for a reason and thats why you only can power level people up to a sertant level.

I never got power leveled myself as i joined Odin server as soon as euro came out so there was no power leveling going at the time but i dont dissagree with people who get power leveled

[HakubiNi]

I consider powerleveling like a help. Same thing as if a friend gave me 10 million gold, or a huge load of elixires. Hey, I didn't grind for them. Level is the same thing. I only disagree with powerleveling if it's either

1. Made by a bot
2. Made by a powerlevel company
3. POWERLVL ME PLZ!!!11!!1

If you get powerleveled by a bot then that's absolutely the same as botting. If you get powerleveled by a normal person, you're getting help from a friend. That is the point of an online game. Now I don't go around begging for powerleveling, but if someone offers me and I'm not on the grinding mood, might just as well accept it. I'm so nerd I'd actually watch myself being powerleveled instead of going afk!

[PR0METHEUS]

*sighs, slowly backs away from this topic, and clicks the 'stop watching topic' button*

People will look for any excuse to get a free ride in this game.

[arctic197]

Totally nothing wrong getting powerlvl'ed.

But PR0METHEUS' point still stands

Botting - you got high level without doing anything.
power leveling - you got high level without doing anything.

[HakubiNi]

Totally nothing wrong getting powerlvl'ed.

But PR0METHEUS' point still stands

Botting - you got high level without doing anything.
power leveling - you got high level without doing anything.

Let me put it this way

Botting - you got high level without doing anything.
power leveling - you got high level with someone else doing it for you

[arctic197]

Totally nothing wrong getting powerlvl'ed.

But PR0METHEUS' point still stands

Botting - you got high level without doing anything.
power leveling - you got high level without doing anything.

Let me put it this way

Botting - you got high level without doing anything.
power leveling - you got high level with someone else doing it for you

Let ME put it this way:

Botting - you got high level without doing any work yourself
Getting powerleveled - Hell, use your imagination(see above)

[shoto]

it breaks down into two categories... people who have high level chars or friends that are high level the will p'lvl them

and


people who bitch and moan because no one will p'lvl them and so they come to hate you and the person p'lvling you, calling you a bot since i mean "who gets to 80 that hasn't botted?". ALso for some reason these same people think that it is 'fun' to level your character and "experience" the joy of leveling. they also believe that there way of playing is correct and that if you powerlevel you cheat cuz you HAVE TO (JUST GOT TO DO IT!!) level EVERY single character by hand..yet at the same time they bitch about how long it can take to level.... and they don't understand that joymax, as a blessing, introduced a system that cuts down on grinding...but still they moan and bitch. Now these same people will say that they would NEVER as for p'lvling but trust me if they had a p'lvler they would in a heartbeat because when you hit the 40's and skills are 9 levels apart and it takes years to get there there really is no joy in leveling its just persistence.

for the most part on issues like these i disregard the sentiments of most people on this forums because its really a dumbass topic to talk about and the people who talk about use absolutely no logic

[Vindicator]

it breaks down into two categories... people who have high level chars or friends that are high level the will p'lvl them

and


people who bitch and moan because no one will p'lvl them and so they come to hate you and the person p'lvling you, calling you a bot since i mean "who gets to 80 that hasn't botted?". ALso for some reason these same people think that it is 'fun' to level your character and "experience" the joy of leveling. they also believe that there way of playing is correct and that if you powerlevel you cheat cuz you HAVE TO (JUST GOT TO DO IT!!) level EVERY single character by hand..yet at the same time they bitch about how long it can take to level.... and they don't understand that joymax, as a blessing, introduced a system that cuts down on grinding...but still they moan and bitch. Now these same people will say that they would NEVER as for p'lvling but trust me if they had a p'lvler they would in a heartbeat because when you hit the 40's and skills are 9 levels apart and it takes years to get there there really is no joy in leveling its just persistence.

for the most part on issues like these i disregard the sentiments of most people on this forums because its really a dumbass topic to talk about and the people who talk about use absolutely no logic

very well put

[borat2]

Lets all hate thieves but when they give you a share of the stolen goods we all suddenly change our minds?l

you are still guilty because you accepted stolen goods and you should be punished for it, so just go bot yourself instead of being hypocritical about this whole issue, you are either legit or not not something in between.

As long things are free or easy to get, people are there with open arms to accept it.

[[AoW]ForLife]

If it involves 3rd party program, it's unlegit.
Otherwise, go ahead. Nowhere in the ToS does it say: taking advantage of what we give you is not allowed. At least to the best of my knowledge.

[Vindicator]

Lets all hate thieves but when they give you a share of the stolen goods we all suddenly change our minds?l

you are still guilty because you accepted stolen goods and you should be punished for it, so just go bot yourself instead of being hypocritical about this whole issue, you are either legit or not not something in between.

As long things are free or easy to get, people are there with open arms to accept it.

wth? who the hell says plvling HAS to be from bots? legit power leveling duh...there is NOTHING WRONG OR ILLEGAL ABOUT IT, it cant be debated that JM put it in for a reason. Just because your plvled your a botter? even though u werent power lvled by a botter? awsome logic

[ALLOVER]

Exp share party sistem is stupid...
There should be limit like u are lv 60 and u can only have ppl from 55 to 65 in ur party...but geymax is geymax...
They make big mistake...
And yes power leveling = bot....
Why? Becouse in most case ppl use bot and lv their euro char...than they say " I am legit 100% "
4 me is ok when u got power leveled by char lv 80 MADE BY HAND....but this euro who are now 70 are leveled by bot... :wink:

[slindizzle]

people who say "unlegit" are illegit. ^^

[[AoW]ForLife]

I know quite a few high 6x euros who aren't plvl'd by bots actually. When they see that its a bot plvling them they leave the party o_O.

@ALLOVER that wouldn't make too much sense, considering when I'm just regularly grinding I'm often in a party with people 11-14 lvls higher than me...

[borat2]

Lets all hate thieves but when they give you a share of the stolen goods we all suddenly change our minds?l

you are still guilty because you accepted stolen goods and you should be punished for it, so just go bot yourself instead of being hypocritical about this whole issue, you are either legit or not not something in between.

As long things are free or easy to get, people are there with open arms to accept it.

wth? who the hell says plvling HAS to be from bots? legit power leveling duh...there is NOTHING WRONG OR ILLEGAL ABOUT IT, it cant be debated that JM put it in for a reason. Just because your plvled your a botter? even though u werent power lvled by a botter? awsome logic

no i think i used the wrong example there.

i am not saying every power level is done by a bot just showing an example what is wrong on doing it with a bot and claiming the legit-talk.

sorry my English is not that good trying my best each reply (Firefox helps)

[foudre]

heh, stop caring

I don't bot, i wasn't power lvled, i'm only on 42 right now and not like there are people to power lvl me on mercury, even so, on pacific i had freinds in their 60's that could said they would, but heh, I took some help got a lvl or 2 decided it was boring, power lvling to 70 does seam exsessive but that way at least euro's could get a fair shot at jobing compared to the already high lvl chinese. They added the acadamey to promote power lvling, having a master train you, i mean getting to lvl 40 and a half from the acadamey leader is a good head start. I stoped caring, now what makes me mad, is that on mercury we alerady have lvl 80's that i know arn't legit, but power lvling is just helping people, like was said before the person doing the lvling has to be willing to do it. If you want to power lvl have not fun, so boring, but then again so can party grinding but at least party grinding is fun for about the time it takes to get in a lvl. If some one power lvls themeselves thats ok, they went thru hell to get high lvl as it was, why should they repeat it because they'd like to try a different build.

[mosiac]

Basically, there is a diffrence between people who got powerleveled and people who actually worked to level up their character. Granted, powerleveling doesn't violate the ToS in any way, but you need to realize that people who get powerleveled are missing the whole point of euro.
isn't euro for the party play, where you are supposed to be in a 8 person party, and everyone has a specific job of what they have to do and you all work together? Euros get powerleveled to 64+ and end up grinding solo, get to 80 and just pvp, missing the whole point of the euro based game. You have to realize, that you can compare powerlevelers to botters. Botters do nothing to get their levels, powerlevelers just sit on a horse and trace a character who does their work for them, involving no work for the euro char.
And no, i'm not one of those people who are jealous of people who get powerleveled, I could very well myself, but I'd rather enjoy party play.

[borat2]

@foudre
thanks for your comment BUT this is exactly what is destroying Silkroad

No one cares anymore, why would Joymax care when they run a game that is played by people who don`t give a shit about the game they are playing?

keep the money coming is what matters now

[arctic197]

Lets all hate thieves but when they give you a share of the stolen goods we all suddenly change our minds?l

you are still guilty because you accepted stolen goods and you should be punished for it, so just go bot yourself instead of being hypocritical about this whole issue, you are either legit or not not something in between.

As long things are free or easy to get, people are there with open arms to accept it.

wth? who the hell says plvling HAS to be from bots? legit power leveling duh...there is NOTHING WRONG OR ILLEGAL ABOUT IT, it cant be debated that JM put it in for a reason. Just because your plvled your a botter? even though u werent power lvled by a botter? awsome logic

no i think i used the wrong example there.

i am not saying every power level is done by a bot just showing an example what is wrong on doing it with a bot and claiming the legit-talk.

sorry my English is not that good trying my best each reply (Firefox helps)

Actually, your analogy is good(about the thief example)

If you hate bot and you like getting PL'ed, hypocrit alert

Just like he says: "You're either legit or not, not something in between."

[Vindicator]

Lets all hate thieves but when they give you a share of the stolen goods we all suddenly change our minds?l

you are still guilty because you accepted stolen goods and you should be punished for it, so just go bot yourself instead of being hypocritical about this whole issue, you are either legit or not not something in between.

As long things are free or easy to get, people are there with open arms to accept it.

wth? who the hell says plvling HAS to be from bots? legit power leveling duh...there is NOTHING WRONG OR ILLEGAL ABOUT IT, it cant be debated that JM put it in for a reason. Just because your plvled your a botter? even though u werent power lvled by a botter? awsome logic

no i think i used the wrong example there.

i am not saying every power level is done by a bot just showing an example what is wrong on doing it with a bot and claiming the legit-talk.

sorry my English is not that good trying my best each reply (Firefox helps)

ok then, my apolgies

[Shimère]

threads like these become flame wars because of ignorant posts like yours

Clearly you never got plvled and despise people who do because you cant do because your too poor, or have no friends to do it. Plvling is a part of the game, thats fact. Its 100% legal, thats a fact. JM intended it to be like that, thats a fact. Its also a fact, that YOU FAIL!

Well, I did say that I wouldn't post again, but obviously, since, you sir lack of any respect toward me, I feel I must post again.

First of all, people who call other people ignorant are usually themselves ignorant.

I made a clear, concise, opinion about that fact, and you sir, you had to make it personal. You have to make a personal attack, you cannot attack the opinion itself, no, you must attack the person that makes the opinion and that speaks a lot about who you are.

I am rich, I got more than enough money in this game to buy the things I want, thus I could EASILY buy PL services from anyone.

I have friends, many friends, some higher levels and some lower levels, again, if I wanted to be PL by a friend or a stranger, where exactly that would be impossible?

But no, to try and manage to win your little points there, you had to tell of me that I have either and yet you don't even know me. How exactly ignorant is that anyway?

I have stated that people who support PL'ing will come up with their own little explanations, this will not be possible to reach an understanding because we stand on two different poles on this issue but I don't have to attack you to make my point.

Botting = Gaining exp by not doing anything yourself.
PL = Gaining exp by not doing anything yourself.

I made that point many times before.

Also, this statement about "JM blah blah blah made PT share for this blah blah blah". No they didn't, they never intended for this, they never expected this but once the system was designed it was too late because the impact of taking this system out would have been too negative on the entire game.

No, profiteers made it so they found this loophole, like many times in real life, someone will try to find a flaw in a law to go around it and do something that isn't quite legal but isn't quite illegal also.

The point is, the MAJORITY of the PL that goes on in this game is by BOTTERS.

The point is, the MAJORITY of the exp gained this way is made by people who are ARE NOT at their computers.

So yes, many of you guys will try and reason that they are different degrees of acceptable to unacceptable PL'ing.

To me, there's only 1 degree, it's unacceptable.

But I don't have to attack any one of you guys to make my point, I believe that is highly offensive to call people ignorant and I will ask you to refrain from this because the next time I will send a complaint to a forum moderator.

Please, state your opinion without attacking the person, attack the opinion itself next time.

Thank you.

[Wello27]

Botter = Lazy MOFO who is cheating to get his levels. He wants to have something that others who spent time in getting for free.

"Legit Botter" = Lazy MOFO who is cheating to get his levels. He wants to have something that others who spent time in getting for free.

I see no difference.

What is Powerleveling Outside of Silkroad?

A). Its hiring another person to level for you. Sort of "Legit Botting" per say, but one that is against game rules. I don't know any game that allows multiple users on each account. Problem is, how do you enforce this rule?

B). Its a Party Grinding. People join up with others, with an efficient party you can get more XP than by grinding by yourself.

A lower level (5-10 levels below, no more) joining a party with some higher levels is not cheating. Because you still have your role. You still have your job to do in this party. You still are playing and do your part.

A party can kill faster and kill higher level mobs

Not only that, a good tactic is to go to a high aggro zone. Have party members trace or follow the lead, the one with most HP/Armor. He runs and aggros as many mobs as possible. The the party members use AOE Skills. Kill many High Level Mobs Fast.

Well in efficient party you get more XP. Isn't that cheating?
No, because its collaborative, cooperative work. Everyone has to work together. You need a tanker, a healer, and damage dealers. You can't do this without other people's help.

Face it, this is Silkroad. Its a game for cheaters.
Look at all of you who claim to be legit and still playing. You still play knowing that others are doing everything they can to cheat their way, and you still play. I can't understand this.

Only in Silkroad where someone gets XP/SP for free is considered to be "legit." ONLY IN SILKROAD.

[tomiotar]

Botting = Gaining exp by not doing anything yourself. (I agree)
PL = Gaining exp by not doing anything yourself.(Not always, I prepare my own chars but I level them faster with main char)

Also, this statement about "JM blah blah blah made PT share for this blah blah blah". No they didn't, they never intended for this, they never expected this but once the system was designed it was too late because the impact of taking this system out would have been too negative on the entire game.

Thats not true. Before the euro arrives it was asked to morningdew about the powerleveling that was usual on kSRO and she said they that problem and they know the problem and they will thinking a solution. The solution it was changing the xp system on share partys so you can powerlevel but not that fast as it could be if you take lvl1 to the ice.

The point is, the MAJORITY of the PL that goes on in this game is by BOTTERS.

Thats true because most of high levels are botters, but there are a lot of legit players (including me) that can take profit of the system to have more than 1 high level char on the server much faster. Botters control every single part of the game and that will not change taking off this party system actually, as they are used to bot, for them the only difference is that it will take them a bit longer, meanwhile a legit player probably will never have a second high level char on the server.

So yes, many of you guys will try and reason that they are different degrees of acceptable to unacceptable PL'ing.

To me, there's only 1 degree, it's unacceptable.

Is your opinion and I respect it, but I dont agree with you because you dont give me any of the reason you give me show me that using my main char to have a second char to high level is wrong.

[Shimère]

A). Its hiring another person to level for you. Sort of "Legit Botting" per say, but one that is against game rules. I don't know any game that allows multiple users on each account. Problem is, how do you enforce this rule?

I was left a bit puzzled as to where you stand on this issue, although I think it seems you are against it.

I really like comprehensive replies, where you can dissect each section and try to either provide support for the opinion or try to provide an opposing view.

I was wondering, as you explained what is a Party concept, you didn't speak about the fact that PL'ers never do anything, they have no roles in a PT, they just trace and leave their computers.

This is the very core, in my opinion of the issue itself. The fact that PT's were created... party share that is... for people to come together and each one provide potent power to defeat a given enemy which you couldn't take on alone or would prove to not be productive to take on alone.

Party share system was never created so people would trace 1 person and do nothing at all, nothing. I have often brought agro monsters to PL'ers and the entire party were decimated because no one was at their computer. The even more funny fact was, the botters that were providing the free exp kept on going, as, for him too, absent.

[Wello27]

Exactly.

Party Share was meant for party play.

Not to cheat and watch you character get XP/SP for free

How is that different from Botting?

Its not. Its just people EXPLOITING game flaws.

In other games if you have a party where members are not doing their share of the job. Its inefficient, you get less XP/Hour.

That's why players who trace and do nothing get kicked from the party immediately.

No one likes a moocher

[Da_Realest]

The European update was beta tested for weeks on Ksro. If they considered it a bug or exploit of some sort they would have done something about it.

"Legit" is determined by the Operation Policy, not personally belief, or what someone think JM implies. The Operation Policy is the law in Silkroad. If JM announces tomorrow botting is legal, its "legit."

Botting is illegal soley because JM sees it as a "illegal program", not because you gain exp without doing anything. Someone could make a program that benefits the game in some way, but if JM sees it as being an illegal program, its not "legit."

[Shimère]

Alright, tomiotar... a good reply, although, a bit harder to read because you inserted your replies into my quote but still, good, no personal attacks, and I respect that and you.

For the morningdew part, I to spoked to a MD and was clearly told that the problem had become too serious on cSRO to let it go on like that and that something would have been worked out before Europe would come out. It wasn't the case, nothing was worked out.

The fact is, PL'ing provides good money for JM. I explain myself here by saying that the botters don't provide money, they already pay someone else for their botting services and have no interest in buying silk. No, the money comes from the people who have been PL'ed. Once they become 60+, and PL'ing becomes more and more of a problem, grinding takes over and so PL'ers end up buying tickets because they already have a low patience tolerance in this game.

So overall, I do believe that the company went through the numbers and probably realized that silence was better a response here regarding this issue.

I mean, just read this entire thread, everyone seems to agree on one point, that PL'ing from botters is illegal and bad. Yet, that's the majority of what is taking place and you cannot separate so called "good" pl'ers from bad ones.