Buying Gold

[Alfred]

<edit> sorry for repeating what you wrote shredking, you beat me to the submit button

Oh yea! Being one minute quicker than someone actually payed off this time...

Can't help the time doesnt show seconds, but thank you for your friendly comment. Next time I won't even bother explain myself...

[MonstaH]

Whoever pays real cash for ingame money is a dumbfck ... period.

[naljamees51]

i haven't bought gold or silk...because i dont wanna vaste real money for some gind of game =)

[auda]

i have a small story

some one called auda know that to be strong = farming + good gear

so he spent alot of time (like 7 months may be more) collecting money
he could buy a nice gear ( som +sosun ) but he didnt lvl since 7 months
one of his friends just started the game reached his lvl fastly in less than a week and bought some gold ..now he has more powerful gear than auda + didnt waste all that time
so what auda did all that time is simply nothing
that's why i hateg old buyers

[MastaChiefX]

Waste of money.

And doesn't mess up the economy.

[svante]

Waste of money.

And doesn't farked up the economy.

It doesn't? If there's more gold on the market, prices will go up aswell.. Basic facts when it comes to inflation so, please explain.

[MastaChiefX]

Waste of money.

And doesn't farked up the economy.

It doesn't? If there's more gold on the market, prices will go up aswell.. Basic facts when it comes to inflation so, please explain.

Ok.
Prices go up. On both sides.
Lets say you want to sell a sos 42+5 blade. Prices will ALSO go up for that.
Everything goes up, stuff you want to buy, and stuff you want to sell. Element prices go up, making it easier for lower levels to make some money, soX prices go up, meaning drops are worth that much more, everything goes up. Only thing it does "mess" up is how the gold drops you get are worth less and what the NPC gives you.

[svante]

Waste of money.

And doesn't farked up the economy.

It doesn't? If there's more gold on the market, prices will go up aswell.. Basic facts when it comes to inflation so, please explain.

Ok.
Prices go up. On both sides.
Lets say you want to sell a sos 42+5 blade. Prices will ALSO go up for that.
Everything goes up, stuff you want to buy, and stuff you want to sell. Element prices go up, making it easier for lower levels to make some money, soX prices go up, meaning drops are worth that much more, everything goes up. Only thing it does "mess" up is how the gold drops you get are worth less and what the NPC gives you.

Which kinda benefits the high-levels and those who actually buys gold, as they can afford the weapons/gear due to their already increase goldstack. I mean come on, who the ..... wants to pay 20m for a lv32+x weapon just because some guys buys gold? You'd have to stall everything, for higher prices and people will not put up with 200-300k for a lvl3x +2 2int/2str chest that will last them for a couple of levels.

Therefore, you'll be making less money on your gear (comparing to prices on sox, +ed items etc) just because there's to much gold on the market. It's the same principe used with duped gold, prices go up and some people (those with extreme amount of gold) will be the only ones who can afford buying "regular" sox gear.

[MastaChiefX]

Waste of money.

And doesn't farked up the economy.

It doesn't? If there's more gold on the market, prices will go up aswell.. Basic facts when it comes to inflation so, please explain.

Ok.
Prices go up. On both sides.
Lets say you want to sell a sos 42+5 blade. Prices will ALSO go up for that.
Everything goes up, stuff you want to buy, and stuff you want to sell. Element prices go up, making it easier for lower levels to make some money, soX prices go up, meaning drops are worth that much more, everything goes up. Only thing it does "mess" up is how the gold drops you get are worth less and what the NPC gives you.

Which kinda benefits the high-levels and those who actually buys gold, as they can afford the weapons/gear due to their already increase goldstack. I mean come on, who the ..... wants to pay 20m for a lv32+x weapon just because some guys buys gold? You'd have to stall everything, for higher prices and people will not put up with 200-300k for a lvl3x +2 2int/2str chest that will last them for a couple of levels.

Therefore, you'll be making less money on your gear (comparing to prices on sox, +ed items etc) just because there's to much gold on the market. It's the same principe used with duped gold, prices go up and some people (those with extreme amount of gold) will be the only ones who can afford buying "regular" sox gear.

Capitalist market. Rich get richer, poor get poorer. So insted of complaining about how you cant buy anything, figure out what you can give that the economy needs, and exploit that too the fullest. I havent ever bought gold, and I can basically whatever I want(cept sun -_-).

[numatan]

Waste of money.

And doesn't farked up the economy.

It doesn't? If there's more gold on the market, prices will go up aswell.. Basic facts when it comes to inflation so, please explain.

Ok.
Prices go up. On both sides.
Lets say you want to sell a sos 42+5 blade. Prices will ALSO go up for that.
Everything goes up, stuff you want to buy, and stuff you want to sell. Element prices go up, making it easier for lower levels to make some money, soX prices go up, meaning drops are worth that much more, everything goes up. Only thing it does "mess" up is how the gold drops you get are worth less and what the NPC gives you.

Which kinda benefits the high-levels and those who actually buys gold, as they can afford the weapons/gear due to their already increase goldstack. I mean come on, who the ..... wants to pay 20m for a lv32+x weapon just because some guys buys gold? You'd have to stall everything, for higher prices and people will not put up with 200-300k for a lvl3x +2 2int/2str chest that will last them for a couple of levels.

Therefore, you'll be making less money on your gear (comparing to prices on sox, +ed items etc) just because there's to much gold on the market. It's the same principe used with duped gold, prices go up and some people (those with extreme amount of gold) will be the only ones who can afford buying "regular" sox gear.

Exactly. When more currency is in circulation in any economy, real or virtual, the value of the money diminishes. It's called "inflation" and it is a huge problem with every MMO, even the old text MUDs.

Silkroad's economy is not adequately balanced - there are way more ways to make money (sources) than there are drains on the money supply (sinks). To compound the issue, there are legions of goldbots running around 24/7 gathering money. The developers may have originally adjusted the economy assuming that most players would play for 2-6 hours, but when a large portion of the player base is automated and playing 24 hours a day that skews the numbers considerably.

Most MMO developers see gold sellers as a warning that either botting, duping, or both exist within their game and take measures to prevent those things from happening. Even with those controls, there will always be gold sellers.

Buying gold itself doesn't screw up the economy, but it's the mechanisms that allow a surplus of gold that do (bots, dupes, etc).

[heroo]

buying gold has f*cked up the economy, i mean come on, 1 bill for 64 SUN weap ?

[MastaChiefX]

buying gold has f*cked up the economy, i mean come on, 1 bill for 64 SUN weap ?

What else is a capped 80 supposed to buy?

I mean, I agree with numatan in how there is not really enough ways to spend your money when your capped. You can buy pointless sun stuff (or +7 like me lol) but for the most part, you have to buy sun. And since sun is what alot of people are buying, the prices go up drastically.

[YourDaddy]

Much as I hate to agree with Masta, for once he's 100% right. Prices go up across the board. The numbers look bigger but it's the same ratio really. The economy in these games isn't like real life where you're stuck humping the same $9/hr job but prices on everything else goes up. Here, you get to sell your items for a higher price (if you're not an impatient moron) and it balances out. Instead of selling your wind 2 at 500/each to buy a 5mil SOS piece, you sell your wind2 at 2k each to buy the same piece but at 30mil. Random numbers, but those of you with an IQ higher then the chair I'm sitting on should understand.

[svante]

Here's the convo..






Yeah well, pictures pretty much sums it all up.

[svante]

Much as I hate to agree with Masta, for once he's 100% right. Prices go up across the board. The numbers look bigger but it's the same ratio really. The economy in these games isn't like real life where you're stuck humping the same $9/hr job but prices on everything else goes up. Here, you get to sell your items for a higher price (if you're not an impatient moron) and it balances out. Instead of selling your wind 2 at 500/each to buy a 5mil SOS piece, you sell your wind2 at 2k each to buy the same piece but at 30mil. Random numbers, but those of you with an IQ higher then the chair I'm sitting on should understand.

Ofcourse he's right on that, but you can't ignore inflation. And you're wrong with the "stuck at the same $9/hr job" because you are, ofcourse there are more resources of gold in this game then in real life but still, you're still stuck with the same drop/gold-rate and amout of it from mobs as before, no matter how high/low the prices are.

[ElMejorGlavie]

I've had people buy gold, then give me some. So i don't care >.<

But, if they bought like 200m and kept it to themselves, and then botted and din't tlk etc.... I would not like them.

[Xiao_xin]

Waste of money.

And doesn't farked up the economy.

It doesn't? If there's more gold on the market, prices will go up aswell.. Basic facts when it comes to inflation so, please explain.

Ok.
Prices go up. On both sides.
Lets say you want to sell a sos 42+5 blade. Prices will ALSO go up for that.
Everything goes up, stuff you want to buy, and stuff you want to sell. Element prices go up, making it easier for lower levels to make some money, soX prices go up, meaning drops are worth that much more, everything goes up. Only thing it does "mess" up is how the gold drops you get are worth less and what the NPC gives you.

Which kinda benefits the high-levels and those who actually buys gold, as they can afford the weapons/gear due to their already increase goldstack. I mean come on, who the ..... wants to pay 20m for a lv32+x weapon just because some guys buys gold? You'd have to stall everything, for higher prices and people will not put up with 200-300k for a lvl3x +2 2int/2str chest that will last them for a couple of levels.

Therefore, you'll be making less money on your gear (comparing to prices on sox, +ed items etc) just because there's to much gold on the market. It's the same principe used with duped gold, prices go up and some people (those with extreme amount of gold) will be the only ones who can afford buying "regular" sox gear.

Capitalist market. Rich get richer, poor get poorer. So insted of complaining about how you cant buy anything, figure out what you can give that the economy needs, and exploit that too the fullest. I havent ever bought gold, and I can basically whatever I want(cept sun -_-).

Wow, you are incredibly wrong. How do you come up with this crap?

Prices are not increased all around. Prices incresed only on specialty items or on items with incredible %. But these drops are rare, hence rare iitems. Chance of a person either making a weapon with high % or finding ans SoX is slim to none. Vast majority of non-gold buyers cannot afford to buy these high % or SoX weapons.

If you make money by inflating a price on such rare items, guaranteed its a gold buyer buying it. Even if you've never bought gold, but found a rare item. You stalled it at inflated prices, who do you think bought that?

And charge more? Who the hell is going to pay inflated prices for normal crit 5 glaive? No one, people aren't stupid.

And you can afford whatever you want? I guarantee you can't afford my gear, if you haven't bought gold. If I choose to sell my gear at the inflated [rices good items are being sold at, I know its a gold buyer buying it.

DOn't kid yourself, if you haven't bought gold, you can't afford my 40% or more on every stat, +5, STR 5 INT 5, 40% AR and 400 HP gear. I can easily sell my chest piece alone for 100M + to some gold buyer. NightBloom, there goes your legit gold on just 1 item. Never mind my +7 glaive with all stats at 61% or more and PERFECT blues, oh right, that glaive will probably sell for 400M or more. You still think you can afford non SOX items without buying gold? That's only 2 items I have to sell...

Every Item has STR 5 except for my pants. My pants have STR 4, won't risk changing cause the white stats are good and the rest of the blues are 100%. And my gear has no fewer than INT 4. And HP and AR are all at 100%. My jewelry is immune to everything. My glaive is awsome in my opinion. MastaChiefX, you got the 800 M that I know I can sell my gear for, that's not SoSun. Never mind my Sosun gear... Its a gold buyer who will buy my stuff, just as a gold buyer bought my previous gears...

I won't sell for less, until Joymax will change this situation, start going after companies that are making huge amounts of money from their game illegaly. I don't know how Joymax cannot be pissed off about this, someone else making money free from their products. I play the game for fun. If I go out jobbing and some ass with incredible gear kills me in 2 skills, sry not happening, that's not fun. I will sell my gears at high prices to ensure at the 90 cap that I remain competitive.

Don't be delusional about this... while I may have "sinned" in the past with gold, I admit it, my frustration with the game got the best of my in the past, but gold buying definitely does affect the economy and defintely does support the bots.

[Rainigul]

To Shredkind and Alfred.

Buying gold is essentially just buying silk.
I mean, why should you be aloud to buy a wolf for money, when other people have to save up 1 mil to buy one?
Why should you be able to level up twice as fast when other people have to work twice as hard to keep up?

I don't buy gold or bot (Though I thought about it, lol), yet I have no problem with these people.
If I can't get into sro first try, then I'll try maybe 2/3 more times, and if I can't I'll just do something else.
Maybe I don't have a problem with these people because I just don't hardcore game. The gold buyers I'm fine with are alot like me, they really like the game, but they don't have the time/feel like spending the time to get THAT good at it.
I mean, I HATE bots and gold buyers and other people like that in other games, because it's so easy to level up and to make gold.
This game however is very different. The max gold I've ever had at one point was 9 mil.

I think gold buying is just like buying silk, although cheaper
Botting... Well, like I said before, I don't like it if people bot all the way up to lv 80, then they have no idea what they're doing. I prefer it if they don't bot at all, or just bot lightly because they wanna hit 52 or whatever.

Here's the convo..

I lol'd at the guys last comment.

DOn't kid yourself, if you haven't bought gold, you can't afford my 40% or more on every stat, +5, STR 5 INT 5, 40% AR and 400 HP gear. I can easily sell my chest piece alone for 100M + to some gold buyer. NightBloom, there goes your legit gold on just 1 item. Never mind my +7 glaive with all stats at 61% or more and PERFECT blues, oh right, that glaive will probably sell for 400M or more. You still think you can afford non SOX items without buying gold? That's only 2 items I have to sell...

Every Item has STR 5 except for my pants. My pants have STR 4, won't risk changing cause the white stats are good and the rest of the blues are 100%. And my gear has no fewer than INT 4. And HP and AR are all at 100%. My jewelry is immune to everything. My glaive is awsome in my opinion. MastaChiefX, you got the 800 M that I know I can sell my gear for, that's not SoSun. Never mind my Sosun gear...

Sounds like you buy gold yourself.

[[SK]Paddo]

Some people have to buy gold because they can't stall overnight due to their shit computer.

woot? i dont stall. never. im not sure if ive ever used the stall button with this character. got enuff gold though... without buying...

[Rainigul]

Some people have to buy gold because they can't stall overnight due to their shit computer.

woot? i dont stall. never. im not sure if ive ever used the stall button with this character. got enuff gold though... without buying...

Yeah, I don't stall much either.
I think I've stalled 4 times on this guy, and one of those times I didn't sell anything.
I'm pretty well off... I mean I only have about a mil right now, but my gear is pretty damned awesome.

[YourDaddy]

No I'm not wrong. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there. I can make 100mil w/in a month with a lvl 1 char, Masta could too because I know he knows 1 of the ways I make money, as do a few other select people. Therefore you're only limited by your own blindness, whereas in the real world an uneducated blue collar worker is stuck in the same $8-12/hr cycle while prices on gas goes to $3, rent to 1k, utilities bump up $20 a month..etc. That worker is boned by a handful of greedy rich fucks, in game you're boned by your own impatience or blindness.

And you're right, drop rates don't change so let's look at that for a minute. Elements are the driving force of the game economy, they are the most sold/used item in game. Your droprate on them won't change one bit whether they sell for 100 or 5k. Which means you're staying "even" with the rising economy. The only truly "bad" part of the economy is that JM didn't make a way for enough gold to come out of the game. Pots, rondos, life grass, etc is not enough to make a dent. Money just flips from player to player and only a very very small portion is taken out of circulation.

[Xiao_xin]

ROFL, oh well

1. I spend my time playing the game. Not stalling, or running around Hotan yelling that i have elements to sell so I can screw you over with inflated prices. Oh right, btw its a gold buyer who is willing to pay 3K per element.

2. Who cares if you can make 100 M, or have 100 M, that won't get you anything. You can spend 100 M on just your weapon alone and all you may h have is a +5 with half ok blues and half ok whites.

3. If you got incredible last 8th degree gear like mine, and you haven't bought gold or found a SoSun to sell, I want to see that.
*******If not, STFU. You haven't proven anything with your statements of making 100M in a month or w/e...

[MastaChiefX]

ROFL, oh well

1. I spend my time playing the game. Not stalling, or running around Hotan yelling that i have elements to sell so I can screw you over with inflated prices. Oh right, btw its a gold buyer who is willing to pay 3K per element.

2. Who cares if you can make 100 M, or have 100 M, that won't get you anything. You can spend 100 M on just your weapon alone and all you may h have is a +5 with half ok blues and half ok whites.

3. If you got incredible last 8th degree gear like mine, and you haven't bought gold or found a SoSun to sell, I want to see that.
*******If not, STFU. You haven't proven anything with your statements of making 100M in a month or w/e...

LOL YOU BUY GOLD. LOL REAL MONEY FOR PIXELS. LOL

[Xiao_xin]

LOL OMFG I spent real money on a game.

No really? You're telling me you don't buy a GT or Monkey?

Hypocrite.

[MastaChiefX]

LOL OMFG I spent real money on a game.

No really? You're telling me you don't buy a GT or Monkey?

Hypocrite.

I buy globals.
100 silk a month.
-_-

Compared to your hundreds of dollars just to have a good d8 set.

[EwwBabel]

people who buy gold need to wake up to the real world





ps, gold buying does inflate the market - look at babel - market is destroyed by ccfers and gold buyers

[YourDaddy]

Wow you like to brag. Sad...

I was making a point, one that eluded you like I knew it would.

And because you're too stupid to realize that by saying "only a goldbuyer can afford my gear, but I don't buy gold" is as idiotic as a statment can get...I'm not gonna bother spelling out my statment for you. You'd only get confused by the big words. Although it would be really funny watching you try to read something intelligent...It would be like watching a monkey scratch his ass then trying to figure out why his finger stinks.

[Xiao_xin]

LOL OMFG I spent real money on a game.

No really? You're telling me you don't buy a GT or Monkey?

Hypocrite.

I buy globals.
100 silk a month.
-_-

Compared to your hundreds of dollars just to have a good d8 set.

Yup, just as I have spent thousands on things I enjoy. Something that I like and spend significant amount of time on, don't mind doing it. I really don't care if you are insulting me for spending money on something I like.

[MastaChiefX]

LOL OMFG I spent real money on a game.

No really? You're telling me you don't buy a GT or Monkey?

Hypocrite.

I buy globals.
100 silk a month.
-_-

Compared to your hundreds of dollars just to have a good d8 set.

Yup, just as I have spent thousands on things I enjoy. Something that I like and spend significant amount of time on, don't mind doing it. I really don't care if you are insulting me for spending money on something I like.

Go outside every once in a while. Get a gf. They dont bite, well, sometimes lol.
My $ goes towards my car, but ok, spend more money on SRO. Put that on your resume too.

[Xiao_xin]

Wow you like to brag. Sad...

I was making a point, one that eluded you like I knew it would.

And because you're too stupid to realize that by saying "only a goldbuyer can afford my gear, but I don't buy gold" is as idiotic as a statment can get...I'm not gonna bother spelling out my statment for you. You'd only get confused by the big words. Although it would be really funny watching you try to read something intelligent...It would be like watching a monkey scratch his ass then trying to figure out why his finger stinks.

Hmmm seems to me the one lacking intelligence is you. My statements support that gold buying has indeed ruined the economy. And that stalling and trying to make gold "legit" isn't enough to be competitive.

Honestly, you think people who buy gold, prefer this? If I can remain competitive in this game without it, I wouldn't. But with this gear, I won't have to in the future, sell and have enough for the 90 cap. Is why if you haven't noticed, a lot of 80s, are selling their gears now, to get the most for their gears and wait for the 90 cap.