Who says hybrid is bad?

[Elemental]

His crits might do less than a pure str, but his normal attacks will do more than a pure str.

what do you base that on? he will do more mag dmg yes but less phy dmg...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYep2n7e020 need to say anymore?

You know how ints do more dmg than strs with weapon skills such as kd? Because he is hybrid his magic attack will be higher therefore his weapon skills wil be stronger.

[empaZ]

His crits might do less than a pure str, but his normal attacks will do more than a pure str.

what do you base that on? he will do more mag dmg yes but less phy dmg...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYep2n7e020 need to say anymore?

You know how ints do more dmg than strs with weapon skills such as kd? Because he is hybrid his magic attack will be higher therefore his weapon skills wil be stronger.

all the skills in the weapon treeds are phy dmg... its the imbue that do the dmg for ints... l2p

[Elemental]

Ok then, his imbue will be stronger because he is hybrid, so his weapon skills will be stronger. Happy?

[empaZ]

no matter how much int he adds he will not get stronger weaponskills... its his imbue that do more dmg... imbue cant crit there for less crit dmg... less hp... less phy dmg that he say is his main in pvp... where the good side of str hybrid?

[Elemental]

Well he is gonna use imbue when he uses weapon skills isnt he? So his stronger imbue is gonna make his weapon skills stronger. Like I said in my first post, crits will be less, normal hits will be stronger.

[empaZ]

Well he is gonna use imbue when he uses weapon skills isnt he? So his stronger imbue is gonna make his weapon skills stronger. Like I said in my first post, crits will be less, normal hits will be stronger.

try read what i wrote... he will also do less phy dmg...
and whats the point going str beside massive hp and crit? and he loses both?

[Elemental]

I did read what you wrote, you said weapon skills will be weak. But they will be stronger than a pure str, normal attacks not crits. You have obviously never played a char with int on it because their weapon skills are stronger than str.

[Key-J]

Hybrid is most Definetly FTW!!!

Even when i was 33 I was taking on people much higher than me. Look at the Aurmour of the guy im fighting

[Mauler109]

empaZ
Then why do the high level payers use an imbue when fighting PvP if they are pure strength, cause from your arguement, its adding nothing and just a waste of SP.

[Alfred]

The % of the skill affects your imbue as well. And since mag>phys damage, gong hybrid will make you stronger then a pure str, except for maybe crits.

[empaZ]

empaZ
Then why do the high level payers use an imbue when fighting PvP if they are pure strength, cause from your arguement, its adding nothing and just a waste of SP.

ehh so im eiher a retard that doesnt write what i writes or you just dont understand... O.o imbue do at lvl 69 for a pure str glaiver whit some int (~20) whit lvl 61 fire max imbue and must piercing force a couple of x00 dmg.. and its the low parts of x00... (i can be wrong havent played that char for ages...) while the skills phy dmg is much higher... i can really read anywhere that i said it does 0 dmg for a pure str O.o

its his imbue that do more dmg.

he will do more mag dmg yes but less phy dmg...

sounds more like i said he would do more mag dmg as hybrid then pure str do none dmg O.o

[Elemental]

You just do not understand. Lets sumarize this whole topic and end it

Crits-Pure hits higher than hybrid
Non Crits- hybrid hits higher than pure


Thats how it works, good day, bye bye.

[empaZ]

You just do not understand. Lets sumarize this whole topic and end it

Crits-Pure hits higher than hybrid
Non Crits- hybrid hits higher than pure


Thats how it works, good day, bye bye.

so yeah and when did you last see a phy char kill someone whit normal hits? strs depends on crit to kill and where the point in doing less crit dmg then?
and btw have you played a hybrid to 80 and tested? cause if you understand me now... he will do so little more dmg then a pure str seeing how he loses some phy attack power and gain some mag attack power...

[Elemental]

Pretty sure I saw a str kill without a crit today. Have you played to 80 on a hybrid, cause you make it sound like you have. That gained magic attack will make magic attack and imbue stronger. Stronger imbue=stronger weapon skills. Get it into your head!

[empaZ]

Pretty sure I saw a str kill without a crit today. Have you played to 80 on a hybrid, cause you make it sound like you have. That gained magic attack will make magic attack and imbue stronger. Stronger imbue=stronger weapon skills. Get it into your head!

your a noob... the end.

your phy dmg wont get higher thx to int. right?
look at all weapon skills. Phy dmg right?
There for youe attacks gonna do more dmg not the skills. right?
get that into your head... imbue is onE skill and the weapon skill one.. you use them togheter but still 2 diffrent skills. the end

[Elemental]

Pretty sure I saw a str kill without a crit today. Have you played to 80 on a hybrid, cause you make it sound like you have. That gained magic attack will make magic attack and imbue stronger. Stronger imbue=stronger weapon skills. Get it into your head!

your a noob... the end.

your phy dmg wont get higher thx to int. right?
look at all weapon skills. Phy dmg right?
There for youe attacks gonna do more dmg not the skills. right?
get that into your head... imbue is onE skill and the weapon skill one.. you use them togheter but still 2 diffrent skills. the end

You have made yourself like more of a noob than I will ever be. Ppl always (hopefully, if not they are the noobs) use imbue with their attacks. So imbue should be counted. If you were talking non-imbue this whole time you shouldve said it.

Hybrid str with imbue=greater dmg on non crit weapon skills than pures

The end

[empaZ]

there is no imbue in weaponskill just so you know... its a force skill egd?

[Elemental]

But imbue should alway be used weapon skill, unless the person is an idiot like you seem to be. Person using just weapon skill=nubsauce, so I dont know why youre talking about that. Everyone uses an imbue, so weapon skil+imbue should be what we are talking about!

[empaZ]

But imbue should alway be used weapon skill, unless the person is an idiot like you seem to be. Person using just weapon skill=nubsauce, so I dont know why youre talking about that. Everyone uses an imbue, so weapon skil+imbue should be what we are talking about!

but still... a weapon skill isnt whit imbue... its antoher skill... thats like saying a hockey player is good and mean the whole team... you cant say one thing and mean another and then call ppl nubsauce or whatever just cause you say the wrong thing...
btw if you test the dmg of a skill you dont use imbue... just the skill and a plain 0% weapon...
becaue if i ask you "what your dmg whit gsm" or whatever skill i dont care about how much your imbue does and if you use imbue thats give the wrong answer. but if i ask how much does your gsm do whit imbue you use imbue... go l2p and get over the age of 12 plz :=

sry för mi bad änglish hope you understand my point and whatsoever

[Elemental]

Ok i understand it now. You still dont understand how dmg in this game works. You use skills without imbue because you are older than 12? Get a clue, if I ask an int how much they do with kd on me, they wont do it without imbue and do their 500 dmg. They are obviously gonna use imbue and try to do max dmg. Logic is something you need to learn

[Alfred]

Weapon skills are supposed to be used together with imbue.

[Elemental]

Weapon skills are supposed to be used together with imbue.

+3947123948721948174937

[empaZ]

Ok i understand it now. You still dont understand how dmg in this game works. You use skills without imbue because you are older than 12? Get a clue, if I ask an int how much they do with kd on me, they wont do it without imbue and do their 500 dmg. They are obviously gonna use imbue and try to do max dmg. Logic is something you need to learn

dude i have spend more time calculating dmg and how its works then you grinding O.o logical if you ask a int your interested in their magical dmg... cause you would ask a str how much hes nukes do would you? that kinda stupid and pointless
so if i say whats your hp should you then put on items that maxed your hp or the gear you use? i didnt ask your max hp i asked for your hp... meaning just your hp... so if i ask dmg i dont ask for max whit all you can i ask for your dmg whit that skill... not whit imbue just plain the skill.... get it ? or should i draw a picture ?

[empaZ]

Weapon skills are supposed to be used together with imbue.

sure they are... but if you want the dmg from the weapon skill you should count the imbue causeit isnt the weapon skill.. get it ?

[Ergonio]

hybrids are stronger then pure STR's in overall damage.
pure STR's will get higher crits.
STR affect weapon skills damage more then imbue damage,
INT affect imbue damage more then weapon skills.
but overall in damage INT>STR.
both of you are right actually

[Elemental]

Well ints actually use weapon skills, strs dont use nukes, so your example doesnt work well.

[empaZ]

Well ints actually use weapon skills, strs dont use nukes, so your example doesnt work well.

ever played a str char? no? you get nukes cause they are fun to kill lowbies whit in jobwars and capeing

hybrids are stronger then pure STR's in overall damage.
pure STR's will get higher crits.
STR affect weapon skills damage more then imbue damage,
INT affect imbue damage more then weapon skills.
but overall in damage INT>STR.
both of you are right actually

yeah i know but the dude is just slow...

[Elemental]

empaz thats not at all what you were trying to say, so dont act like thats what you meant

[tomiotar]

The discussion about the equal balance builds you can find applied to a bow in the "Character Skills" section (http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=24752). After 25 page of discussion I've decide to put numbers at all the especulation and give me this:

Quoting me

How damage might be calculated
Code:

mag_dmg_base = int*int_reinforce/100 + mag_dmg
phy_dmg_base = (str*str_reinforce/100 + phy_dmg)*(100+wep_mastery_lv)/100

//damage output
phy_damage = (skill_dmg + base_phy_dmg) * skill_dmg_percent
mag_damage = (imbue_dmg * mastery_bonus_imbue +base_mag_dmg) * skill_dmg_percent

total_damage_output = phy_damage * phy_balance + mag_damage * mag_balance

The graphic was made with the highest values of attack, reinforcement and fire imbue. On the graphic you can see the damage evolution as a function of the amount of int that you add to your build (with no int or str on the gear) on a lvl80 char with a 72 bow. At same time I've add the HP evolution that is the other really important factor to take into account.

I will not put again that was discuss over 26 pages. On the page 25 you will find all the numbers that I calculate and the considerations that I've made to make those calculations. On the graphic you will see the evolution as a function of the int that you can add up to lvl 80.

[empaZ]

empaz thats not at all what you were trying to say, so dont act like thats what you meant

woow some ppl just dont understand when to quit... ive had said that all the time but either your slow or you just dont get it... second a weapon skill isnt whit imbue unless you say so. a weapon skill will always be a weapon skill and imbue will be imbue.. sure you still use imbue whenever you attack but it still not the samething... get it?
What else i tried saying is my opinion if you are gonna correct my opinion you have to be god ( that doesnt really help cause i dont belive in him/her(yeah i wish if god do exist she will be a she... cause she would never be albe to say no to me ;D)) or you have to be me and your not cause im not a r-tard

yeah ive seen alots of diffrent builds and i can say this... int hybrid rules... pure int rules... pure str rules... str hybrid rules... NOT!

str hybrid dont have the hp as a pure str nor the dmg as a pure int... to say it easy its a hybrid whit just low dmg and low hp. so where the point in going str hybrid? are they fun? are they awesome in pvp? well anyone whit leet gear och sox weapon is leet fighting ppl theire lvl. and sure ppl some lvl higher...

Ending: Ints will always do more dmg. Str will always have more hp. Sure a hybrid can get higher dmg but then you have to go more int then str.