QuakeDisruptor wrote:Sorry if I've offended you with my personal opinion. I certainly didn't intend to do so. However, I don't think my critique deserved such a hostile response. I certainly am not in a position of misunderstanding.
For starters, I am completely against racism or prejudice of any form, but my above philosophy was not inherently racist. A person does not choose the location of their birth or their initial social status or their sexuality. Because of this, nobody has the right to judge them based on these factors.
However, a person is not born a chav, a goth, a townie, a geek, etc. Thier personality may draw them to one particular lifestyle more than another, but ultimately you make a choice to lead the lifestyle you want based on your tastes, preferences and ideologies.
In the case of chavs and goths, I dislike them because they have conciously made such a choice. They are part of a scene or movement which represents a distinctive view on life, and their view from my perspective is arrogant and closed-minded to the point of ignorance.
I'm not criticising their taste in music or clothes, etc. (for example, I enjoy metal and am in fact quite partial to gothy-looking clothes) I'm criticising the way they treat others and their general disrespect.
Sure, I'm stereotyping, but I'm afraid that is based solely on experience. I can honestly say that I have only met a handful of people who fall into the 'chav' demographic that I could actually consider to be nice people. And yes, I have met several 'goth' teenagers who are respectful, polite members of society. On the whole though, I feel very sorry for the children and the elderly in my nearest city who walk in fear of the chavs and goths loitering around, vandalising and troublemaking.
So again, I apologise for any offence caused, particularly if you consider yourself a part of either lifestyle. However, I maintain my opinion based on the evidence I've seen and will continue to share it with anyone, regardless of whether it is considered controversial. In other words, no, I won't keep it to myself.
That’s a fair enough, but your first post was racist and stereotyping to certain members/cultures of society.
Although you’ve said you met a few exceptions that were genuinely nice and good hearted people regardless of who they hung around with, how they dressed or acted , I dare say I could argue the fact have you even attempted to get know the other 90% ?
I may have gone a bit “mental” in my previous reply, sorry about that.
But taking such a narrow minded view on today’s different cultures, be it goths, chavs etc is just as bad as making a comment as the book store clerk did.
It might not be acceptable to us how others act, dress or what they do. But to them it is and we’ve all had some form of this racism at some point in our lives, why perpetuate the cycle that’s all I’m saying.
On the whole though, I feel very sorry for the children and the elderly in my nearest city who walk in fear of the chavs and goths loitering around, vandalising and troublemaking.
And no offence but you’ve done exactly the same thing, again a narrow minded view and untrue to a certain extent. I’m not trying to turn this thread into a flame fest so I’m going to leave it there.
