Question for all those "legits" out there *Poll added*

Vinyl · Post by **Vinyl** » Fri May 22, 2009 2:30 am

There's a difference between cheating in a fantasy world than in real life, you nitwits.

Mirosuke · Post by **Mirosuke** » Fri May 22, 2009 2:33 am

Goseki wrote:My only reason for being legit is cuz I just so happen to enjoy grinding with friends and I don't feel like risking my main getting banned, no matter how low nooby lvl he is. Memories > pwning everyone on my server.

JM can bans you even if u don't bot or buy silks.

and other thing, legits? :roll:

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Sleepy · Post by **Sleepy** » Fri May 22, 2009 3:39 am

Azilius wrote:
.curve wrote:
Azilius wrote:Cheaters are losers, that's why. Cheat in a game and you're likely to cheat in real life.

I quit SRO, but I cheated in High School. Stole copies of the test answers. Sure, we got caught and suspended. Then did it more, just smarter.

Guess I should of added a little more context when I said cheat in real life. I'm not entirely sure how to get the meaning out though. I've done the same as you (minus the suspension) but I'm talking about..more in depth cheating I guess. I can't entirely explain it but a comparison to say..stealing a car might be more comparable.

Even that seems a little extreme. I can't explain it

You're an idiot lol.

Making real life comparisons to something you do on a game is fail.

HawaiianMix · Post by **HawaiianMix** » Fri May 22, 2009 4:08 am

Most of the people here bot and it's a fact.

The only people who do not bot now either.
1. Do not play often enough to care.
2. Have ALOT of friends who enjoy to hand grind ( rare ).
3. Are hypocrites and bot when no one is looking.

I'm glad the server is 0%.

Tasdik · Post by **Tasdik** » Fri May 22, 2009 4:29 am

Sleepy wrote:
You're an idiot lol.

Making real life comparisons to something you do on a game is fail.

Tasdik wrote:I think what he was talking about was a behavior type. If you lack the self control to not cheat then you'll run into problems later on down the road. Temptations are everywhere, you've gotta have self control to avoid them.

Cheating is easy. Anyone can do it, but I'd rather go through life knowing I did the best I could do without cheating.

Goseki · Post by **Goseki** » Fri May 22, 2009 4:56 am

CrimsonNuker wrote:See you in the Exposed Botters in a few weeks/months/days

Me too, i'm curious to see that considering I don't play sro cept like once a month to pvp and talk to friends... :roll:

I know the game is meant to be fun, but of course cheating is expected. Even in other game types ppl cheat. Hacks are common, of course they are punished quickly. Would be nice if JM would do the same. Last time i logged on, i think i had like 20 ppl telling me to get a bot and come back and join their guild. Hell, one even agreed to share his sbot account with me. I remember when one of my friends i started with started botting. We were all OMG NOOO, than saw how he shot up lvls like crazy and were amazed at how much gold he was making ( of course back than 6 mil was godly lmao ). He of course, got banned like 2 weeks later. I dunno, each time i log on i just see more and more of JM failing... Seems like they are removing more and more things from the game to help enhance a botter's experience.

Hell, I remember a great time when, during 70 or 80 cap, some capped player PMed me while i was pvping and asked me what the critical did on his wep... i than asked " bot much? " and he just said "lol yeah, straight to cap". Really makes me wonder how many capped players know what they're doing.

srry, keep getting distracted, back to topic:

I don't think cheating in a game is equivalent to cheating irl. It's more of a personal opinion of course. I mean it's one thing to cheat in real life as the consequences are real. Cheating in a game when you're just having fun is like faking an orgasm... it's just so you feel better and are having more fun. Hell, in cs, i sometimes use little tricks or bugs in the server to mess around with ppl and friendlyfire when i'm not suppose to be able to. I mean i'm pretty sure the point of that game is to kill the enemy, not blow up your entire team at the start of every round :wink:

Basically I don't cheat in real life, honor imo hasn't quite penetrated the virtual world, seeing as so many ppl act like morons but would never dare say or do the things they claim. On the web, I can feel free to be or do whatever I like. Normally I have the same name and act like normal, but I feel a lot free-er to just **** around when i'm bored. Doubt i'll be running around shooting my teammates irl anytime soon, but on the web or in a game, I do it if i get bored. SRO is prob one of the few games that I don't use cheats, simply because a) i want to have an authentic first time experience with every game, and b) my characters just has too many memories with friends.

TOloseGT · Post by **TOloseGT** » Fri May 22, 2009 7:33 am

people who try to justify botting are weak

Pan_Raider(`_´) · Post by **Pan_Raider(`_´)** » Fri May 22, 2009 8:17 am

TOloseGT wrote:people who try to justify botting are weak

and vice versa everyone against botting should get a degree in psychology

lucid4life · Post by **lucid4life** » Fri May 22, 2009 12:23 pm

I wish there was like a neutral person who could judge the arguments on basis of morality.(not TOS)

Right now arguments are flying like pingpongballs back and forth without any conclusion to be drawn people in the right stay in the right,the left stay in the left.

What is there to learn?

Legit:bot =bad mkay.
Bottersupporters:Bot=Good mkay.

Conclusion????

Nevermind,too controversial,kinda like parapsychology. :roll:

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Fri May 22, 2009 12:34 pm

conclusion: bot supporters are retard, they can't feel the consequence of their presence in the environment and they also don't want to hold responsible for the destruction of sro.

CeLL · Post by **CeLL** » Fri May 22, 2009 1:21 pm

Azilius wrote:
Tasdik wrote:
CeLL wrote:you probably cant explain it any better cause theres nothing father to explain. how could anyone put cheating in school, something that affects their future, for the rest of their life, over cheating on some game that has no actual meaning 25 years from now. people are lying to themselves when they believe cheating on a game > cheating on tests or stealing a car.

I think what he was talking about was a behavior type. If you lack the self control to not cheat then you'll run into problems later on down the road. Temptations are everywhere, you've gotta have self control to avoid them.

Cheating is easy. Anyone can do it, but I'd rather go through life knowing I did the best I could do without cheating.

Was going to make a reply but you summed it up pretty well

as true as this is, it can be said in the to inverse. since you have cheated in school, or stolen a car (something serious) then its very likely you have cheated on this unimportant video game.

lucid4life · Post by **lucid4life** » Fri May 22, 2009 1:22 pm

conclusion: bot supporters are retard, they can't feel the consequence of their presence in the environment and they also don't want to hold responsible for the destruction of sro.

Bot supporters aren't always botters themselves though.

Goldbots:Make server traffic hell.
Multi client bots:Make server traffic hell.
Player bots=same serverspot of legit player except afk or a babbysit botter.

Why does afk-grinding of 1 botter matter to the experience of another handgrinder?

Ok u could say,not social?Do u have a right to demand that?
U could say but he ks'es?So do handgrinders who are ***holes.

I don't see how a normal botter(not multi/goldbot) ruins the environment.This is what I see.

Botter grinds 24/7->levels faster then legit who solo's.

Legit:Thats not fair!Why?Cause he can't keep up to the joneses'

So it seems competetion would be the main reason why people hate botters.

What if you play for yourself?Not for the jonese's over there.Are u accountable to their ego?

I don't think so.So far only TOS seems to be the reason to avoid botting,but on moral grounds its very shaky.

Tasdik · Post by **Tasdik** » Fri May 22, 2009 1:42 pm

lucid4life wrote:
conclusion: bot supporters are retard, they can't feel the consequence of their presence in the environment and they also don't want to hold responsible for the destruction of sro.

Bot supporters aren't always botters themselves though.

Yet they advocate botting. Thus making it socially acceptable for people to bot. So they are in fact indirectly part of the problem.

Why does afk-grinding of 1 botter matter to the experience of another handgrinder?

Ok u could say,not social?Do u have a right to demand that?
U could say but he ks'es?So do handgrinders who are ***holes.
Most people actually don't ks others unless they know it's a bot. If it were another legit hand grinding I wouldn't touch their mobs.

I don't see how a normal botter(not multi/goldbot) ruins the environment.This is what I see.

Not actually being there aka botting ruins the whole point behind a massively multiplayer online game. Your supposed to be playing, not some program.

Botter grinds 24/7->levels faster then legit who solo's.
How does this now ruin the "environment"? cheating to get ahead of someone else is unfair and causes problems.

Legit:Thats not fair!Why?Cause he can't keep up to the joneses'

So it seems competetion would be the main reason why people hate botters.
No. I hate botters for cheating, I don't like cheaters. Plain and simple.

What if you play for yourself?Not for the jonese's over there.Are u accountable to their ego?
I do play for myself.

I don't think so.So far only TOS seems to be the reason to avoid botting,but on moral grounds its very shaky.

From a moral stand point: Cheating is wrong. Botting = cheating = wrong.

chickenfeather · Post by **chickenfeather** » Fri May 22, 2009 1:55 pm

lucid4life wrote:Bot supporters aren't always botters themselves though.

They may not be botters, but are accomplices to their cause since they will fight you tooth and nail to see their botter friends are able to bot as they like.

Goldbots:Make server traffic hell.
Multi client bots:Make server traffic hell.
Player bots=same serverspot of legit player except afk or a babbysit botter.

Why does afk-grinding of 1 botter matter to the experience of another handgrinder?

It affects the environment of the game. This is a mmo, which means it is an online world. The reason for an online world is so you can interact with many players, something you cannot do in a single player game. Now, the last time I checked, bots did not have the AI chat built into them besides "imbusy" and "hi"(onoes skynet). Besides that, a bot is a bot, don't try to make it seem as if player bots are any better.

Ok u could say,not social?Do u have a right to demand that?
U could say but he ks'es?So do handgrinders who are ***holes.

You can talk to handgrinders that ks you and party with them to possibly make friends. You can't with a bot.

I don't see how a normal botter(not multi/goldbot) ruins the environment.This is what I see.

Like I said above, the lack of social interaction messes up the environment.

So it seems competetion would be the main reason why people hate botters.

Not just any competition, this is UNFAIR competition.

What if you play for yourself?Not for the jonese's over there.Are u accountable to their ego?

I do play for myself, as does everyone else. We are not accountable for the botter's ego, they are. Their decision to bot still ruins the experience.

So far only TOS seems to be the reason to avoid botting,but on moral grounds its very shaky.

I think they removed the 3rd party programs clause from the TOS... ugh.

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Fri May 22, 2009 2:06 pm

I'm not trying to be prejudice but most player botters use multiclient for stall or plvl themself, or worst run an army of goldbots. Buying gold also count for the contribution of the existence of goldbots. I doubt the species "1 bot player, 1 server slot" even exist in isro.
Moreover, why do you try to differentiate a player bot and a gold bot, when both kill the same mob, pick the same items, using the same bot program? I'm not talking about who is behind the character, but how an external viewer could differentiate a player bot and a goldbot beside the name "agfaeg"? There is no difference thus they cause the same consequence. If you say goldbot destroy the game but player bot is then an invalid affirmation.

It seems you tried to convince yourself for not being the part of the problem, but you should listen to what ppl tell you and not yourself. Botting is wrong, is an universal truth. So no matter how reasonable your argument is, it's always flawed.

Goseki · Post by **Goseki** » Fri May 22, 2009 2:20 pm

The bad things about botters imo, is that
1) Goldbots are the worse, they ruin both economy, player interaction, and server spots.
2) Playerbots are next since they occupy the same space as a normal player, 1 spot per person, the only unfairness is how quickly they rocket through the levels. The amount of player interaction is reduced as only some playerbots babysit their bots. However, I know many botters still chat with friends while botting.
3) Powerlvlbots are least annoying. They only really ruin the starting levels of a newbies experience.

Playerbots do often multi as they raise an army for themselves, but nowhere to the extent of goldbot companies. I know most ppl in my old uni has about 3-4 bots running and they would swap between characters to talk to us. An old guildmaster in my uni even had his own powerlvl team and like 4 gold bots and 8 playerbots. The solution really lies upon JM themselves. Since they don't care, it's really hopeless. We can try and be honorable as much as we want and not cheat, but for now, there's really nothing that can be done to make botting = bad.

From my own experience, on iSRO on many servers, legit = hard-headed noob. of which i don't really care or mind, I just know if you tell ppl you're legit and you're over 7d, ppl usually just say wow, and lol you're silly, want to use my bot?

It's been a LONG time since i told someone i'm legit and they said me too.... sigh...

chickenfeather wrote:
lucid4life wrote:Bot supporters aren't always botters themselves though.

They may not be botters, but are accomplices to their cause since they will fight you tooth and nail to see their botter friends are able to bot as they like.

Really? I could give half a chimp's ass of care towards botters. If they want to bot, fine it's their choice. As long as they still talk and participate in events and hang out often, i'm cool with it.

Ok u could say,not social?Do u have a right to demand that?
U could say but he ks'es?So do handgrinders who are ***holes.

You can talk to handgrinders that ks you and party with them to possibly make friends. You can't with a bot.[/quote]

Actually, if someone is annoying, i'll ks them regardless. Most int builds are meant to ks. If i die in the process owell, but if i'm in an annoyed mood, which is why i grind in the first place, it could be a legit and i'll still ks him till he leaves or brings his friends to murder me.

I get though why botters are hated due to their unfair advantage. It's tough, but I mean with that logic, wouldn't gold buyers also be unfair due to their advantage in the economy? Guess this game is pretty farked. Maybe SRO2 will just reset the server. That would be a nice easy solution.

Post by **Ryoko** » Fri May 22, 2009 2:35 pm

Alot of people play games competitively. Many find enjoyment in owning or killing other players too. Thats what "higher level" in SRO is all about. You dont grind out levels because you enjoy staring at the same monster and killing 5500-8000 of them. You do it to be stronger and higher level than other players (or at least equal, at level cap)

Its utter bullshit that if you are a legit, you do not stand a hope, chance, or prayer from hell in beating people who bot. Its a total crock they have many more skillpoints, maxxed trees, full SoS armors on and are basically untouchable because their character is working 24-7 and you cannot even compare to that amount of time played.

Its not about being lazy. Its not about having a real life, or finding the grind boring. I have a real life; a career, my own house, I go out on weekends, take vacations and still maintain a 5 day a week raid schedule. Its about people cheating. And even if you bot, but personally didnt go to donwang south and own everyones face with your uber botted char, doesnt mean your not part of the problem or didnt help ruin this game.

So what does joymax do about the problem? Occasionally sweep out gold bots to calm down unsatisfied people, and take advantage of the fact their servers are packed with thousands of bots by selling you a premium ticket, and making money off you instead.

It gets to the point where half the server is bots, and if you are any kind of competitive person, you need to either bot too to compete, or quit. I chose to quit. You bots reading this ruined the game I love, and I hate you.

lucid4life · Post by **lucid4life** » Fri May 22, 2009 3:04 pm

They may not be botters, but are accomplices to their cause since they will fight you tooth and nail to see their botter friends are able to bot as they like.

2 important quotes since its quite long to cover all.
This isn't China where everyone who has dissenting views on consensus has to shut up about controversial issues.

Freedom of speech is a sweet sweet thing,if there's enough support for something as to form a good consensus that is the right thing in society regardless if somebody thinks he holds the golden key of justice.(unless ur like the prez)

I think they removed the 3rd party programs clause from the TOS... ugh

If this is true then all legits are in teh wrong as joymax is the King and decide the rules on their games.What me,u or anyone thinks is wrong or right is irrelevant now.Joymax need the botters Like pred pointed out.So its only the conservative legits still holding on fast and the liberal legits slowly losing hope.How sad is that? :roll:

boast · Post by **boast** » Fri May 22, 2009 3:11 pm

So imagine you played *insert your favorite FPS here* and when you joined your favorite server, everyone had an aimbot. Everyone went around mindlessly killing each other based on the best ping.

Is that fun? Would you play there everyday?

But I guess if you play on one of those servers where there is never any good parties because everyone is botting, solo grinding would be boring and no fun.

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Fri May 22, 2009 3:18 pm

damn, talking about aimbot, I used to play Gunbound, quitted, then 1 year later, returned to it, 99% of the players used aimbot, even a noob grade could 100% hit me

Dolavimus · Post by **Dolavimus** » Fri May 22, 2009 3:23 pm

Being the acquisition of the following:

1-Sense of achievement.
2-Sense of satisfaction.
3-Respect:?: (define)

Based on personal experience.

After quitting, i'll just say blah, been there done that, go play your game, don't waste your time whining over the justification of right and wrong to a bloody game.

and for ----'s Sake...

I just wasted my time again. :banghead:

peace

Nitro · Post by **Nitro** » Fri May 22, 2009 3:34 pm

the_wicked wrote: just like cheating in school, sure you get good grades and a good job then you can't actually do the job because you don't know anything.

I guess you arent employed, neither am I, but everyone says you'll get out of college dumb as ****, and you'll learn your job in praxis.

PureStr · Post by **PureStr** » Fri May 22, 2009 3:39 pm

Because i like to actually play my games.
I`ve been gaming forever;
I played nintendo/ps1/ps2/ps3 and many pc games
and i never cheated in any of them even if sometimes cheats
are abundant.

Clean gaming > Nub unlegit gaming
Anytime.

Like playing duke in god mode....it sucks
Or gta3 with unlimited ammo...it sucks
Cheats = suckzors

Cheats are for weak minds.

CeLL · Post by **CeLL** » Fri May 22, 2009 4:07 pm

boast wrote:So imagine you played *insert your favorite FPS here* and when you joined your favorite server, everyone had an aimbot. Everyone went around mindlessly killing each other based on the best ping.

Is that fun? Would you play there everyday?

But I guess if you play on one of those servers where there is never any good parties because everyone is botting, solo grinding would be boring and no fun.

aimbots on fps =/= to botting on a grindcore game. aimbotting is way way way way more lame. each and every kill on an fps has to do with skill and wits. unlike walking out side jangan and double clicking a mangyang. i grind in this game cause its fun/relaxing, not for my skillz. on the other hand, party grinding, pvp, and non-spawn killing CTF do require skill. so dont think im ruling out skillz in this game, just dont compare lame assd aim botting with grind botting , except on the level that cheating, is cheating, is cheating.

also, on a side note, botting leaves people skilless as far as where it is required in this game. so in actuality, those who grind are better off than those who cheat, unlike an fps where peoples head get knocked of before they go around a corner.

jabbers · Post by **jabbers** » Fri May 22, 2009 4:24 pm

the game itself is a corrupt whore that will never go straight and those that play "legit" are like the gullible boyfriend who drives her around and waits in the car while shes off on another exploit...in short chumps! What better example is there and what else could you say about someone like this?
Botter may not deserve respect for taking advantage but legit player doesn't deserve any either for staying. One of the most common sense ideas is that if someone doesn't respect themselves than noone should respect that person either. well guess what, the game is that person. It doesn't enforce it's own rules, doesn't care about you :] . Point is in this situation there is no room for personal sense of honesty, honor or loyalty, please check those at the door. There is only two reasonable choices

1. treat her like complete dirt.
2. Leave and never come back.

"I contributed to the downfall of Silkroad and all I got was this T-shirt"

Goseki · Post by **Goseki** » Fri May 22, 2009 6:11 pm

Hmm first off, I just want to say that I love all the posts so far. Great to just hear everyone's opinions, so Thank-you.

The problem is that unlike in other game-types like fps, when you cheat, you don't get any better. This does not equal cheating is no fun. Hell, me and my friends finished the achievements on l4d and now we have cheats on 24/7 on our server. It's funny as hell to watch ppl barricade themselves only to have me destroy it or spawn 30 witches on top of them. Cheating can be fun, hell anything can be fun considering fun is defined by personal taste.

The thing with SRO is that it's true those who bots don't have the skills necessary for pvp and ctf etc at first, but after they cap or they get bored, they learn over time. Sure they suck at first just hitting random skills, but after awhile, they figure out what does what.

Yes i know legits can also compete against full botters and goldbuyers, but how many legits have the time necessary to build up enough gold and level with ONLY 1 main character. I know me and my friends do it, but we're always 1-2 degrees behind the cap. I quit with 8d, he kept going. Now he has a full sun 9d set, but he's still nowhere near lvl 90 or into the 10d since the prices are just stupid. A few hardcore gamers will be able to compete on equal grounds with 1 bot players, but with the number of botters around, they will just simply own you. Venus is just the only exception i know. But when you look at all the other 30+ servers... it's obvious that the legits are a minority.

From what i personally have seen, most legits either quit or just give up. Only a few handful of hardcore legits make it to the cap to do battle against the hundreds of capped botters with all silk items and sun or whatnots. If you are one of the few hardcore legits, than props to you for being able to do all that. For a more casual gamer like me, i'm just gonna chill at the sidelines and see what happens next.

Sleepy · Post by **Sleepy** » Fri May 22, 2009 7:44 pm

The real life comparisons really fucking crack me up LOL. Talking like you have a degree in psychology... GTFO

lucid4life · Post by **lucid4life** » Fri May 22, 2009 8:02 pm

The real life comparisons really Farking crack me up LOL. Talking like you have a degree in psychology... GTFO

Not having a degree in psychology doesn't mean u can't know about something.Appeal to authority,faulty logic bro.Weakest argument i've read in this thread :roll:

Sleepy · Post by **Sleepy** » Fri May 22, 2009 8:05 pm

No... the weakest argument was a comparison between a botter and a car thief... still crying with laughter on that one.

lucid4life · Post by **lucid4life** » Fri May 22, 2009 8:07 pm

Oh ok now that u point that out its another story:)

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