The tone has changed here

[Hyori]

Good solution to most all this is the reputation system we reviewed.

Helpfull post = ++;

Douche post = --;


Those who hit a the magic negative number, get the ban stick. Buh bye.

Just make a separate forum titled "show off your accomplishments here" or "carebear central" I don't know what the hell so that the general forum, which is what 90% of the people who visit look at, isn't filled with those kinds of threads.

1. People can still post their accomplishments somewhere.

2. People who don't like that don't have to look at it in order to read other stuff in the general forum.

[Skitsefrenik]

Good solution to most all this is the reputation system we reviewed.

Helpfull post = ++;

Douche post = --;


Those who hit a the magic negative number, get the ban stick. Buh bye.

LOL, people will have to re-register everyday.

[nightbloom]

Good solution to most all this is the reputation system we reviewed.

Helpfull post = ++;

Douche post = --;


Those who hit a the magic negative number, get the ban stick. Buh bye.

Just make a separate forum titled "show off your accomplishments here" or "carebear central" I don't know what the hell so that the general forum, which is what 90% of the people who visit look at, isn't filled with those kinds of threads.

1. People can still post their accomplishments somewhere.

2. People who don't like that don't have to look at it in order to read other stuff in the general forum.

Yes, lets rearrange the entire forum cause 10 ppl are jerkoffs and can't restrain themselves from commenting negatively on everything. Good idea, you're brilliant.

[cuchulainn]

Hyori has a fine idea NB. Take a look at this. All the marked junk would easily fit into another forum (Q&A, OT or the show-off)



Honestly, finding the few threads that I want to read is annoying with all the random spam.

[Ryoko]

Yes, lets rearrange the entire forum cause 10 ppl are jerkoffs and can't restrain themselves from commenting negatively on everything.

YA KNOW?

General discussion for all people, not just 52+ players

(Or, the low levels who already are influenced by the leetest attitude)

[nightbloom]

A novel concept coming up...

if you dont like the topic, dont read it and certainly dont post on it.

I know, it new and strange and different but I know you can do it. I joined this forum 4 months before you and have a third less posts than you. Im sure that third is made up of: "OMG YOU NOOB POST THIS SOMEWHERE ELSE I DONT WANNA SEE IT!"

[cuchulainn]

A novel concept coming up...

if you dont like the topic, dont read it and certainly dont post on it.

I know, it new and strange and different but I know you can do it. I joined this forum 4 months before you and have a third less posts than you. Im sure that third is made up of: "OMG YOU NOOB POST THIS SOMEWHERE ELSE I DONT WANNA SEE IT!"

There is a difference between a topic I don't want to read and a topic that belongs in Off Topic/Question and Answer/Show-Off (if we had it)

Examples:

"Today is my Birthday" (granted it's the forum admin, but shouldn't the rules apply to him as well?)

"TG PWNED" -show off thrad perfectly relegated to a Show-Off forum or the topic "Your Latest, Greatest Achievement in Silkroad" (which could easily serve the purpose of Show-Off forum if it were stickied and people referred to it.

"such an exciting day at sro! i got pics (dont be jealous)" -see "TG PWNED" for my reason

"2 months and 22 days after starting...." - see the above two if you still don't get my point

"Need some fact from someone who's ONLINE on the SRO" - Question and Answer forum

"a special giant" AKA "NPC thief giant?" - again, Questions and Answers forum


Now, some examples of threads that belong, but I don't want to read:

"[ Poll ] What will you do when you see a stranger in murderer status?"

"Goodbye my friends from Vietnam"

"Europe Silkroad"



A large majority of my posts have been helpful NB. In fact, I probably have a larger number of helpful posts than you do overall. There is a point though where the forum starts falling apart, not because people are flaming, but because people are posting junk everywhere instead of where it belongs because the mods and admin don't follow their own rules and instead arbitrarily close or move topics while leaving others (the performance of the mod team seems to be a taboo topic though so I guess that problem won't change).

TBH, lately, I've seen more constructive posts on tavern than I've seen here because it seems people have become lazy here and are turning the general discussion into a spam hole.

[ShizKnight]

Good solution to most all this is the reputation system we reviewed.

Helpfull post = ++;

Douche post = --;


Those who hit a the magic negative number, get the ban stick. Buh bye.

DO IT!!!!! Then the community can decide who comes and goes.

So basicly, if the community doesn't like a certain person, they'll get totally bansticked? Sounds like abuse to me.

[MrJoey]

I'd say it's more good for people knowing who likes to spam/make shit up so they know who not to listen to.

[nightbloom]

A novel concept coming up...

if you dont like the topic, dont read it and certainly dont post on it.

I know, it new and strange and different but I know you can do it. I joined this forum 4 months before you and have a third less posts than you. Im sure that third is made up of: "OMG YOU NOOB POST THIS SOMEWHERE ELSE I DONT WANNA SEE IT!"

There is a difference between a topic I don't want to read and a topic that belongs in Off Topic/Question and Answer/Show-Off (if we had it)

Examples:

"Today is my Birthday" (granted it's the forum admin, but shouldn't the rules apply to him as well?)

"TG PWNED" -show off thrad perfectly relegated to a Show-Off forum or the topic "Your Latest, Greatest Achievement in Silkroad" (which could easily serve the purpose of Show-Off forum if it were stickied and people referred to it.

"such an exciting day at sro! i got pics (dont be jealous)" -see "TG PWNED" for my reason

"2 months and 22 days after starting...." - see the above two if you still don't get my point

"Need some fact from someone who's ONLINE on the SRO" - Question and Answer forum

"a special giant" AKA "NPC thief giant?" - again, Questions and Answers forum


Now, some examples of threads that belong, but I don't want to read:

"[ Poll ] What will you do when you see a stranger in murderer status?"

"Goodbye my friends from Vietnam"

"Europe Silkroad"



A large majority of my posts have been helpful NB. In fact, I probably have a larger number of helpful posts than you do overall. There is a point though where the forum starts falling apart, not because people are flaming, but because people are posting junk everywhere instead of where it belongs because the mods and admin don't follow their own rules and instead arbitrarily close or move topics while leaving others (the performance of the mod team seems to be a taboo topic though so I guess that problem won't change).

TBH, lately, I've seen more constructive posts on tavern than I've seen here because it seems people have become lazy here and are turning the general discussion into a spam hole.

HELLO!!? WHere have you BEEN for the last year? This forum has ALWAYS been this way. Ryoko and I have joked about it since we met. THis isnt some NEW thing, this is an old thing that you and your cronies are suddenly bitching about. I dont always agree with the moderation here either, but you can plainly see what an awsome amount of work it is. If you want to decide what threads should and should not be and you can do a SO MUCH BETTER job, dont let the door hit you on your way out to make SROCuchland Forum. You and Chaud and all your little antinewbie friends can go, sit around and stare at eachother over the three threads you have got started.

The life of a forum isnt about the old guard, its about the new ppl. If you shoot down EVERY new person that comes here, you will stagnate and become a bunch of jaded idiots staring at eachother. If you look at the post count and see that it's 4, then you can pretty much guarantee that they dont know how things work yet. They will get it, but not if you bash them over the head with a big negative sledgehammer.

Ignore the threads you dont want to see.

[ShizKnight]

brehbles

brehbles

In that case, you could just ignore inflammatory posts, eh?

[cuchulainn]

It may have "always been that way," but it's gotten a lot worse lately. There is no way you can sit there and tell me "It's my birthday, yay for me"-threads belong in the general discussion. If it doesn't matter what section a topic is in, why even bother with sections? We might as well just have one big forum called "Silkroad and related discussion sometimes but not really just post whatever you want" forum.

Forums break down and go to shit when people stop respecting a) rules of the forum b) the use of certain forums for certain topics. Then, they totally go to shit when the mods/admins don't do anything about it.

I am by no means anti-newbie. I don't mind sparing a few seconds to type out a quick answer or point them in the right direction when they have a legitimate question and have put forth any effort in finding it. I AM, however, anti-stupid. This means posting a topic that has nothing to do with SRO in the main SRO discussion instead of Off Topic. It also applies to asking a question answered in a sticky or asking a question with 5 similar question topics posted right below it.


To Ryoko, SG and the other mods: As much as you'd like this to be a place where everyone can relax and enjoy themselves, there comes a point where you have to put your foot down and make people respect the rules and the right sections to post in. When they lose that respect everything goes to shit and I hope you take action before this place loses most of it's traffic to a new-SRF.

[nightbloom]

And I would like to add, that yes, you have more posts than I do. But I read every single topic here. I am a chronic reader with eidetic memory. I never forget what I read, so dont tell me how you and I post differently. I do not feel the need to post a comment on every thread, if I dont think it adds to the subject, I dont say it. I am not so fond of my own posting that I need to splash it around SRF like a dog marking his territory.

I have posted more lately becuase I think there needs to be an example set. A little positive to balance out the negative and make sure that ppl are seeing something nice instead of "Stupif noob, go post that somewhere else".

[Chaud]

Yes, lets rearrange the entire forum cause 10 ppl are jerkoffs and can't restrain themselves from commenting negatively on everything. Good idea, you're brilliant.

It's not like its that hard. You make a total of ten clicks and Type in two boxes.

A novel concept coming up...

if you dont like the topic, dont read it and certainly dont post on it.

I know, it new and strange and different but I know you can do it. I joined this forum 4 months before you and have a third less posts than you. Im sure that third is made up of: "OMG YOU NOOB POST THIS SOMEWHERE ELSE I DONT WANNA SEE IT!"

If it were in a showoff forum then it wouldn't be a problem.
"Talk about the game or ask questions."
Alot of the questions here should be in the questions forum. Otherwise, what is its purpose, and which questions belong here vs questions forum.

A large majority of my posts have been helpful NB. In fact, I probably have a larger number of helpful posts than you do overall. There is a point though where the forum starts falling apart, not because people are flaming, but because people are posting junk everywhere instead of where it belongs because the mods and admin don't follow their own rules and instead arbitrarily close or move topics while leaving others (the performance of the mod team seems to be a taboo topic though so I guess that problem won't change).


TBH, lately, I've seen more constructive posts on tavern than I've seen here because it seems people have become lazy here and are turning the general discussion into a spam hole.

Hes more helpful than me. On tavern GD is acutally kept clean of questions and some useful things are there, along with the ccf/botter topics. But who doesn't <3 a flame war.

You and Chaud and all your little antinewbie friends can go, sit around and stare at eachother over the three threads you have got started.

We could, but it requires effort, and might take away traffic from a mostly good forum. I personally see no reason for a new forum.

Ignore the threads you dont want to see.

Ignore the responses you don't want to see.

I AM, however, anti-stupid. This means posting a topic that has nothing to do with SRO in the main SRO discussion instead of Off Topic. It also applies to asking a question answered in a sticky or asking a question with 5 similar question topics posted right below it.

CLEARLY NOT THE CAREBEAR WAY!

A little positive to balance out the negative and make sure that ppl are seeing something nice instead of "Stupif noob, go post that somewhere else".

Now I don't remember all my posts, but I don't think I ever said that.

[SuicideGrl]

To Ryoko, SG and the other mods: As much as you'd like this to be a place where everyone can relax and enjoy themselves, there comes a point where you have to put your foot down and make people respect the rules and the right sections to post in. When they lose that respect everything goes to shit and I hope you take action before this place loses most of it's traffic to a new-SRF.

cuch, i agree completely. i for one have been pretty lax lately due to having about 75% less time to spend on here than i used to. there are lots of things that shouldn't be posted where they're posted, but it takes a LOT of time to read every thread and make a decision as to a) whether it should be moved and b) where it should be moved to. the other thing is that topics sometimes start out one way and end up another way. a thread can start out as something that belongs where it was posted and then split off to something unrelated and misplaced. these are harder to get, since skimming the first few posts in the thread sometimes won't be enough to alert a mod of it, and i for one lack the time these days to read every word posted, like i used to (i'm sure a look at the top 10 posters shows that i've not only lost my top slot but am losing ground daily).

however, when people freak out at me for doing my job, it makes me not wanna bother with it. oh believe me, if someone posts a link to a bot site or a gold farming url or a cellphone ad in a section, i get anywhere from 5-50 PMs saying "KILL IT!!!", and the people rejoice in the pwning of another spammer. but if i make an executive decision to lock a thread that has degenerated into a flame fest or whatnot, i get nothing but shit. it's like the community wants to have its cake and eat it too. you want to be protected from the stuff you don't wanna see but then when the same protection is leveled AGAINST you in the interests of other forum users, you freak out (general statements only, not directed to you per se).

if the general forum community would like to see this place regain its former glory, i challenge you: make me give a shit. this is a mostly thankless job to begin with; help us out by respecting us and our decisions and following the rules we have set out. there are too many people who push too far just to see how long it'll be before a mod steps in. think before you post. don't spam. don't flame. if you can stop and think even for an instant that what you're about to send when you hit "Submit" would feel shitty if directed at you instead, DON'T DO IT.

remember, positivity is contagious, and karma begets karma. <3 to you all.

[ShizKnight]

I agree with Sui.

With love comes hate.

[Chaud]

cuch, i agree completely. i for one have been pretty lax lately due to having about 75% less time to spend on here than i used to. there are lots of things that shouldn't be posted where they're posted, but it takes a LOT of time to read every thread and make a decision as to a) whether it should be moved and b) where it should be moved to.

Meh, recruit decent people as mods. (Defintly not carebears though... )

respecting us and our decisions and following the rules we have set out. there are too many people who push too far just to see how long it'll be before a mod steps in. think before you post. don't spam. don't flame. if you can stop and think even for an instant that what you're about to send when you hit "Submit" would feel shitty if directed at you instead, DON'T DO IT.

Right, but sometimes decisions are made that most don't agree about. Hint hint, that chinaman trader thread with chineese or whatever in it.
The problem about feel shitty directed at you. I wouldn't feel crappy about anything I post directed towards me, but some carebears do.

[cuchulainn]

...but if i make an executive decision to lock a thread that has degenerated into a flame fest or whatnot, i get nothing but shit. it's like the community wants to have its cake and eat it too...

I know many threads lately have turned into a flamefest, but there were a few that made the exact opposite transition from flame/bot related to a good discussion, but I already outlined my thoughts in another thread

I know the mods have their hands full with a forum of this size and even just deleting the gold farming and bot advertisements is a huge accomplishment in terms of keeping the forum nice. If there aren't enough mods to keep up with the rules or some mods have less time to do so, then the mods should be the ones to tell Ryoko that they need more people to help before the forum starts rolling downhill. I know there was a recruitment drive a few weeks or months back, but that resulted in only one new mod for the newly added forum. If more mods will help get this place back into order, then that's what is needed instead of threads complaining about how things have changed.

Lastly, I would like to thank the Mods for doing their job as best they can for no compensation.

[Doru]

OMG I LOL!!!!!! at whomever thinks I am all peachy and rainbows. Holy cow that speaks VOLUMES about who has been here a long time and who hasnt. I can hardly be called someone who is afraid of confrontation or doesnt speak their mind.

I would *guess* that since your post uses terminology mine did (i.e. peachy), this response was to my post. FYI, my comment was not directed at you - it was about "people" with the general mindframe of "confrontation is bad, lets always pretend everything is great!". IMO, the fact you instantly reflected this upon yourself speaks VOLUMES about your train of thought.

I am a hypocrit? How?

Well, since you asked, I'll be happy to point it out for you. Early in the thread you made this comment:

What I DO mind is ppl just adopting this attitude of condescending superiority.

Yet, in the remainder of this thread you said the following:

I do not believe in having a war of words with someone who obviously cant use them correctly.

Your ignorance just becomes more apparent every time you speak.

Your attitude is going to seperate and hurt SRF as a community, a happy one before you showed up. Im not a mod, but if I were Id clean you guys out because SRF shouldnt be what you are making it.

they are changing our nice SRF into a flaming ahole fest.

FOr being a veteran member, you are so new. LOL Where have YOU BEEN? Have you just not read any of my posts before this moment?

Yes, lets rearrange the entire forum cause 10 ppl are jerkoffs and can't restrain themselves from commenting negatively on everything. Good idea, you're brilliant.

I can certainly be accused of doing my fair share of flaming, I am not the most restrained person I know.

It appears to me you're displaying an attitude of condescending superiority in your comments. In fact, in the last quote you admit you have done your fair share of flaming before - but isn't this a direct contradiction to saying "you mind ppl adopting a condescending attitude"?

Or how about this:

How would you like everyone to be a carbon copy of you? Do you not allow for differences in ppl? What is important or not important to YOU is not what is important or not important to the rest of us.

Isn't this comment somewhat hypocritical of the point of this thread? You make the case that the negative people are changing the vibe of the forum and should stop the negative comments, yet you then argue that not everyone should be a carbon copy of each other. But if everyone was always positive, isn't that a copy of each other?

Also, you say differences in people should be allowed. But then, you turn around and say that people who are negative should be stopped (not allowed). So, which is it?

Lastly, you make the comment that what is important (or not) to person A is not what is important (or is) to person B. But does this not go both ways? This point is a contradiction in itself - the same argument could be said about your viewpoint.

A novel concept coming up... if you dont like the topic, dont read it and certainly dont post on it.

Considering I pretty much said the same exact thing in my first post . . . no, thats not a novel concept.

I dont care if he skins small animals in his bathtub on his own time, here he is a decent, contributing, helpful forum user.

Wow, now there's a comment - and it touchs on one of the same points I brought up months ago. My question for you would be: When is the line crossed and loyalty dissolved? For example, say a friend murders someone - would you still remain loyal? What if they murder your mother?

Are those extreme examples? Yes. But it shows why this can be more than "just a game" - this is a matter of ethics, and a persons ability/willingness to turn a blind eye to the actions of thier friend, which is very much a RL issue.

I am not only loyal to ppl, I am loyal to ideas.

So, heres an honest question (same as above more or less): What do you do if one of your good friends does something you strongly disagree with?

Or how about this: If you are loyal to an idea (e.g. an ethical practice), and you know someone (say, a random person on the internet you have exchanged a few words with) who has done the opposite of that idea, should you say something? If you do not say something, does that mean you are in fact *not* loyal to the idea? And if you do say something, should you be flamed for it?

This is the last I am going to entertain this topic <HuyFong goldbuying, etc.>. It died when the thread was locked. That means case closed, everyone has said their piece and the subject is a dead one.

I completely disagree. Just because threads are locked, and people try to suppress a topic, does not mean a topic dies. If anything, the resistence to talking about the topic just makes people want to talk about the topic more, and can lead to a revival of the same topic with even greater magnitude. This could not be anymore evident than in the HuyFong case - months ago I brought all the evidence to the table, and it was deleted from the forums. Look what happened . . . the whole topic came back twice as strong.

This topic has nothing to do with HuyFong

For most people, I would agree it doesn't. However, for me, it does. Why?
When I first started posting on these forums it was pretty much all in character/skill discussion, with me trying to help people - it was a positive experience. Then, when I brought the HuyFong topic to the table, this forum chastised me. For me, that was when the "tone" of this forum changed.

All I did was ask a couple tough questions (didn't flame anybody, didn't call anyone noob), but yet next thing I knew a barrage of negativity and flames were aimed my way. Although the main impetus for my lengthy posts proving my point was because HuyFong hardcore flamed me and then said I was a liar, I was still the bad guy for defending myself.

See, from from where I stand, the recent threads with people being negative towards people killing uniques and posting pictures some consider negative are *absolutely trivial* compared to the hardcore negativity that was aimed at me. Guess what - those kinda of threads were here months ago, so I don't know why people are making a big deal about them now. I can't help it if you're just now noticing them, but those threads are nothing new (perhaps more prevalent, but not new). Perhaps people are a little more sensitive after the latest HuyFong threads?

I wanna know why people are rushing to defend the people who ask the same question for the 100000 time in char/skill discussion, but won't *even consider* defending someone who has the balls, *and the evidence*, to show someone is a flat out a liar. Yeah . . . I wanna know where all the anti-negative backers were when I was getting flamed up the ass. The kind of negativity that was shown in this forum in the past completely dwarfs the current negativity, but people don't give a shit because it wasn't them. Awesome.

It may sound like I'm blowing it out of proportion, but try walking in my shoes . . . I stood up for ethical practices I believe in (1. Not purposefully lying to and misleading people 2. Not using money to buy admiration), was flamed and called a liar, had to defend myself, then got massively flamed by a large part of this forum once I did. OTOH, this forum is now complaining about people saying "Use search noob" to people asking the same question for the 1000 time, and about people basically saying "who cares" to a person when they kill a unique - both of which are not surprising considering the evolution of the forum.

Oh hell, wtf am I thinking? How someone responds to someone killing Tiger Girl is obviously more important then RL ethics.

Lol?

RACIAL PROFILING!!!!

Yeah, racial profiling is pretty LOL.

[Chaud]

Well said.
I wish I had the time/skill to point out all those things.

[DragonTalon]

nightbloom:

THANK YOU. i am a mod here, and i only read about 50% of the posts anymore. i only edit about 25% of what i feel i should because editing the rest usually means having to edit nearly every post in a thread. and when i DO edit/lock things, people post topics about mods being overbearing. this place used to be a tavern alternative; now it's a tavern mirror. after reading this post, i have a few more names to add to the "Names to be banned" thread in the mod section...

i don't think everyone should be happy all the time. i don't think that discussion, arguments, or negativity should be squashed. i DO think that people who post like assholes for the sake of posting like assholes or because they "say what they want no matter who cares about it" or whatever should just get a ban on principle. you're allowed to THINK whatever you want on SRF; you're NOT allowed to SAY whatever you want. we have been more lax on this lately, but i think it's time for a change back to old ways. i have a feeling more and more threads will have things like <<edit: flaming will not be tolerated here. -SG>> showing up in them. gg.

Glad to see u guys are getting along again

[FBIRem]

stop with this carebear shit nightbloom (jkjk)

[Chaud]

Forget the tone, ever since the update this place looks like the official forums, 100x of the same topic, spammy topics, topics in the wrong place. Please save the forum, or there won't be a tone besides spam.

[vulperin]

<<edit: no need to quote the whole post, please. -SG>>

After reading his thread twice and carefully, i have half a mind that this guy is a lawyer. He showed some deep thinking that i possibly can't think of

[ShizKnight]

In the other thread where he went 'all out', we suggested that he was a detective.

[FBIRem]

eep Vul, did you have to quote the whole post?

My only big rant about this place is these "Former Experts" who have quit the game, but stick around to tell us a few key facts:

a) How Shitty Silkroad is

b) How foolish we are to keep playing

c) How much better they were at it then us

d) Why it's shitty (in rant form)

That just kills all moods and good attitudes towards the place.


I'm not a big fan of these big strings of "Goodbye" threads. Seeing a long list of everyone who's leaving doesn't help much either. Talk to your friends and say goodbye, not the world.

Just make a separate forum titled "show off your accomplishments here" or "carebear central" I don't know what the hell so that the general forum, which is what 90% of the people who visit look at, isn't filled with those kinds of threads.

1. People can still post their accomplishments somewhere.

2. People who don't like that don't have to look at it in order to read other stuff in the general forum.

Problem with that is a lot of the people who post things like that are the people who haven't realized people hate reading that stuff, aka the new guys, and where's the first place EVERY new person goes? SilkRoad General.

We should just make a new section called "Jelly Beans Inc" or something and that can be where we can put all the real SilkRoad General stuff that the veteran members want to read, and the more trashy stuff will still get piled into the regular general.

[vulperin]

Oh ok sorry my bad...

As for your 4 problems, i am sure mods will delete it...not suitable for general discussion

[dom]

This whole forum is like Canada.

We have the rich elitists that just hang around because of old ties. We have the new immigrants that do nothing but whine, and we have the left-wing jackasses stir the shit pot in hopes of according those immigrants the right to whine.

To be more precise:

The rich elitists: the flamers
The left-wing immigrant friendly, squirrel feeding, carebear: nightbloom
The immigrants: the flamees

...and for Doru's last post, he can be prime minister. Oh, and as far as I know, doplertin is an illegal immigrant and I wish he/she would be deported asap.

[nightbloom]

See there is an important point that you ppl have neglected in your little equation of "carebear" nightbloom. Im not. Im quite rude and have been a stark raving bitch at several points in my SRF career. Unlike the mods and admin here, I have no problem being undiplomatic. I have this terrible tendancy to just say what I think and let the repercussions be damned.

I really dont see the huge ethical issue you do with whatever you accuse ppl of. What you dont get is I really dont care what you think Huy has done. You seem to think that everyone should say, "OMG That Huy DOG, let's all stop being friends with him. Thank you for shining your brilliant intellect on this obvious liar, cheat and whatever else you would like me to call him!" I dont think your argumetns hold much merit in the face of Huy saying, "I didnt do it." If I find out later that he did, that may be a different story. I doubt you can produce the reciept for the purchases you accuse him of. All you have is speculations and guesses. So for me, this is Doru (never heard of him) and Huy (helped me out and been my friend), who do I believe? That is simple.

Despite the fact that I have indeed flamed ppl here and everywhere else, that doesnt mean I dont care about what is happening to SRF. I try to be nice to the newbs and those seeking help or encouragement, because that is what SRF has historically been about. You guys arent mods. It isnt your job to go in a thread and discourage someone from posting. A simple, "hey you know there is a section for that here <post link>" is better than what I have been seeing lately. Despite the post counts I am seeing, it is obvious that while you posted, you didnt SEE. Flames and random rudeness used to be quite rare. I dont think you realize what you are doing to SRF and I can tell by your arguments that you really dont care much. You arguements all revolve around YOU and what YOU want, YOUR points of contention, YOUR griefs and YOUR accusations. The rest of us, we want what is good for SRF.

[dom]

You guys arent mods. It isnt your job to go in a thread and discourage someone from posting.

Because that's what a mod is supposed to do?