What has pwr lvl'ing got to do with not being 'legit'

[arctic197]

Without morals, there is no society.

lol @ u. it's a game, get over it.

lol try saying that to all the players here that are anti-bot and are struggling to lvl because of the bots. If you can't, then

[Zing]

I don't like to word it illegitimate because there is nothing illegal about it... that's why i'm questioning the "illegitimancy"

You all ready answer your own question. "There is nothing illegal about it."
But I guess we can come to an agreement. You say it isn't illegal, I say it isn't illegal.

You can word it as dislike, hate, or any other words that describe your hatred towards it.

[TOloseGT]

Without morals, there is no society.

lol @ u. it's a game, get over it.

lol try saying that to all the players here that are anti-bot and are struggling to lvl because of the bots.

all u carebears here, listen up. it's a game, get over it.

now

[Vindicator]

Without morals, there is no society.

lol @ u. it's a game, get over it.

lol try saying that to all the players here that are anti-bot and are struggling to lvl because of the bots.

all u carebears here, listen up. it's a game, get over it.

now

100% agreed

[Cruor]

all u carebears here, listen up. it's a game, get over it.

now

Get over yourself. This is a public forum. Your opinion is no more valid here than mine or anyone else's. If you can't handle free discussion then stay out of this topic.

[XemnasXD]

all u carebears here, listen up. it's a game, get over it.

now

Get over yourself. This is a public forum. Your opinion is no more valid here than mine or anyone else's. If you can't handle free discussion then stay out of this topic.

that pic is over used.....

[Aiyas]

all u carebears here, listen up. it's a game, get over it.

now

Get over yourself. This is a public forum. Your opinion is no more valid here than mine or anyone else's. If you can't handle free discussion then stay out of this topic.

that pic is over used.....

And yet that's the first time I've seen that pic.

[Wello27]

I love these LAZY MOFOS trying to defend their LAZY method of leveling.

Keep justifying your "legit botting"

ROFL

So pathetic, its sad.

[HakubiNi]

I love these LAZY MOFOS trying to defend their LAZY method of leveling.

Keep justifying your "legit botting"

ROFL

So pathetic, its sad.

Read the whole goddamn topic, and give proper arguments before posting.

[TOloseGT]

Get over yourself. This is a public forum. Your opinion is no more valid here than mine or anyone else's. If you can't handle free discussion then stay out of this topic.

who said i couldn't handle free discussion? i was merely rising up to arctic197's challenge.

[Deacon]

I think everyone got a BIT off topic...

[TOloseGT]

what's there to talk about? frankly, i'm surprised this even got to 6 pgs.

there's the side that sticks wit morals. gotta work on ur own char by urself. no outside help. oh, might as well turn down the nice sos weapons my guildmate wants to lend me, cuz i didn't earn those myself.

there's the other side that doesn't give a shit. it's a game, and they want to have fun. they realized that grinding 100+ hrs is not fun. they'd rather reach high lvl first, then be able to actually play the game wit friends.

of course, there's ur usual spammers and flamers around, but that's what this topic's about.

[Maxen]

there's the side that sticks wit morals. gotta work on ur own char by urself. no outside help. oh, might as well turn down the nice sos weapons my guildmate wants to lend me, cuz i didn't earn those myself.

You missed a small party of us apposed to powerleveling due to it ruining the entire point of the european race in sro.

But imo people who are against botting, and yet are fine with people getting powerleveled are slightly hypocritical. It may not be the same method….it may not be against the tos, but the out come is the same.

[PR0METHEUS]

there's the side that sticks wit morals. gotta work on ur own char by urself. no outside help. oh, might as well turn down the nice sos weapons my guildmate wants to lend me, cuz i didn't earn those myself.

You missed a small party of us apposed to powerleveling due to it ruining the entire point of the european race in sro.

But imo people who are against botting, and yet are fine with people getting powerleveled are slightly hypocritical. It may not be the same method….it may not be against the tos, but the out come is the same.

And that, my friend, is the very reason so many people are against botting. I think most people are against botting not because it uses a 3rd party application, or is against the rules of Joymax, but because it's "unfair" to the rest of us. Botters blast their way through the levels and hit cap while the rest of us are still crawling through lvl 40 struggling to catch up. I've heard so many people complain about struggling to catch up to capped botters.

So instead of botting, doing something illegal, they choose to power level. It's the same result. You blast through the levels and make non-plvlers struggle with futile attempts to catch up. But maybe those that are all for power leveling don't care about the catch-up problem of botting, but only are against it because it's illegal and they don't want to get caught.

If we were meant to reach a high level so fast, and skip over 90% of the game, Joymax would make the experience gains a lot better for lvl 50+.

[HakubiNi]

I've got to agree that too much powerleveling is very annoying. When you go to any topic reffering to newbies level 1~40 all people suggest is powerleveling, powerleveling, powerleveling..

That's why people think powerlevel is teh evil... C'mon, you don't need powerleveling to wipe your ass after going to the toilet. Some people don't know how to play without being powerleveled. Powerlevel once or twice, but for god's sake you don't have to be powerleveled from lvl 1 to lvl 70. Learn how to play!


And please don't mix powerleveling with botting. The results may be the same, but the method is different. It's like saying... "Oh let's not drive our cars, because pollution will destroy the planet". Yeah, what about alternative methods? Cars aren't powered only by gasoline or ethanol. Most are sure, but some aren't. We get the same thing we wanted (that is driving our cars and moving around quickly) without damaging nature as much. That may have been a bad analogy but I seriously would rather see people being powerleveled once in a while than botting 24/7.

And take in account that powerleveling doesn't generate any gold or items. Unless the person has somewhere else to get his gold from, he's going to be a very poor high level.

[edit]

I might add, if there isn't anyone on the union offering powerleveling, and someone comes around and says "can someone powerlevel me? I need just 30%" we usually answer "Once upon a time if you wanted 30% you had to grind them".

[PR0METHEUS]

I've got to agree that too much powerleveling is very annoying. When you go to any topic reffering to newbies level 1~40 all people suggest is powerleveling, powerleveling, powerleveling..

That's why people think powerlevel is teh evil... C'mon, you don't need powerleveling to wipe your ass after going to the toilet. Some people don't know how to play without being powerleveled. Powerlevel once or twice, but for god's sake you don't have to be powerleveled from lvl 1 to lvl 70. Learn how to play!

I can agree to that. The worst part of power leveling is the people that log on their lvl 1 and expect to be power leveled to 65+. I guess it's not that bad if you're struggling in certain points of the game, and just need a little boost to get that last bit of exp before the next quest. (e.g., lvl 29 +40% grinding Gun Powder )

<parrot mode>Even then, I still think the one being leveled should at least participate, not just sit on a horse. That's all.</parrot mode>

[iGod]

I have a lvl80 char, experienced almost everything the game has to offer... and I'm gonna powerlevel my noob euro to 64 because i don't want to grind lvl 40-52-64 ever again - no quests, pure grinding, no share parties, pot delay... =l

[arctic197]

Without morals, there is no society.

lol @ u. it's a game, get over it.

lol try saying that to all the players here that are anti-bot and are struggling to lvl because of the bots.

all u carebears here, listen up. it's a game, get over it.

now

I could just find one or two anti-bots here in this forum and have you flamed.

Or

A mod or a even an admin, for I'm sure they're all anti-bots.

I set my trap:

lol try saying that to all the players here that are anti-bot and are struggling to lvl because of the bots.

And now you fell for it:

all u carebears here, listen up. it's a game, get over it.

By saying that, the anti-bots here will see that in their perspective, you, sir, do support them bots.

[mosiac]

I don't like to word it illegitimate because there is nothing illegal about it... that's why i'm questioning the "illegitimancy"

You all ready answer your own question. "There is nothing illegal about it."
But I guess we can come to an agreement. You say it isn't illegal, I say it isn't illegal.

You can word it as dislike, hate, or any other words that describe your hatred towards it.

it's kind of like this.
i think there's two types of being "legit". there's legit as according to joymax's ToS, and being legit to the standards of the average SRO player.
well, I wouldn't say average, the majority of sro either powerlevels or bots, I guess the percentage of competely legit players, as in hand grinded characters that don't violate the ToS are about .5% now?

in my mind, there's botters, then powerlevelers, then legits - as in people who actually worked for their character. I just think this game would be a lot better if people stopped powerleveling, actually grinded and socialized in parties, and enjoyed the game, not just pvp.
/shrugs

[roflcopter]

I dont understand what being pwr lvl'd has got to do with not being legit. Ive seen this mentioned various times over the past few weeks. Yes perhaps if said person got pwr lvl'd by someone who was 'afk' then i can see where the problem arises, but still, the person not using the 3rd party programme is not actually breaking the rules.

The way the exp share system works and the exp penalty for the lvl gaps shows that its perfectly acceptable for someone to be pwr lvl'd. I honestly dont understand what its got to do with not being legit, maybe im wrong and id like people to make their point without de-railing the entire thread and rinsing out the same old discussion.

I just want to discuss the issue of being pwr lvl'd. The game mechanism allows it, so whats the big deal?

Please, stay on topic, its not hard to do and it was going so well. There had been much opinion expressed without having to resort to mild flaming and it appears people just got bored and couldnt handle people not seeing things their way.

And the few people who weighed in and posted a couple of lines, which to be honest didnt really consititute an arguement or agreement, should know better and perhaps next time really try and to read and understand the discussion as a whole. And not just to rely on a brain fart as a contribution.

[Valamathras]

Ive gotten used to plvling dont have a problem with it at the base level, but its getting out of hand in the caves. Small areas with good spawns = plvl magnets. Your busy farming/grinding w/e then a whole host of 80s roll in to plvl their friends. At least you can ks bots but players 10+ your lvl? sigh
But your stil a noob to me if the only high lvl you got was plvled. If you got one normally then just shortcut ur others thats ok.

[TOloseGT]

I set my trap:p

lol try saying that to all the players here that are anti-bot and are struggling to lvl because of the bots.

And now you fell for it:

all u carebears here, listen up. it's a game, get over it.

By saying that, the anti-bots here will see that in their perspective, you, sir, do support them bots.

did i say "all u anti-bots"? no, i said carebears. ur trap was weak and i saw thru it.

there's a difference between pro-bot and not giving a shit. i'm dun give a shit if someone bots or not.

roflcopter, many people have already said this. plvling is legit because it's not against JM policies. however, other ppl dun like the unfair advantage plvling gives noobies. took me almost a year to get 70+, took them 1 month.

[Cresta]

I say my opinion about this.

Yes, i got mostly powerleveled, and atm, when im writing this, my character is being plvled by a friend. But there are more reasons for PLVL then being lazy. I got a Lvl 80 character which i gave away to a friend. Then i grinded a lvl 52 char myself. It got hacked, so i restarted, now on this one.

But i am tired of grinding.
I grind now too, yes, when i am not getting plvled.
In my eyes it is perfectly legit as long as your plvler isnt botting.

But there is a dark side to being powerleveled. You dont get any gold.
You dont get any drops. As a lvl 48 atm, i am very poor. My weapon is borrowed from a friend. My Garm set is mostly non blue non + cheap shit from npc/cheap stalls. I need to have a stallcharacter who is reselling to be not too poor to buy some good gear. Atm i am saving my gold mostly to buy some good 64+ gear, when i stop getting plvled. Then i go grind myself to Level 80 (and farm )

You choose to be PL'ed or not.

[DarkLaw]

Yup at the end of the day if the pleveler isnt botting then i dont see any problem. i just remade a chracter on pacifc and a random gliaver pleveled me from 13 to 14 does anyone really care? i think not. do i actively look for parties to be pleveled no, i honestly dont mind doing it myself. the glaiver was standing near me as i trained so i randomly invited him. he didnt want any gold i gave him a few pots as he didnt ahve any mp but i dont get where the problem is even with people who get pleveled to 64+

[YourWorstNightmare]

Some MMORPGs have a system where you don't get exp in a party if another member kills a monster that's, say, 5 levels higher than you. So I'm glad you can plvl in this game. If only I had some friends.

[arctic197]

I set my trap:p

lol try saying that to all the players here that are anti-bot and are struggling to lvl because of the bots.

And now you fell for it:

all u carebears here, listen up. it's a game, get over it.

By saying that, the anti-bots here will see that in their perspective, you, sir, do support them bots.

did i say "all u anti-bots"? no, i said carebears. ur trap was weak and i saw thru it.

there's a difference between pro-bot and not giving a shit. i'm dun give a shit if someone bots or not.

Sure my trap was weak but you replied anyway. Why? And why replace the word "anti-bot" with "carebear?"

Maybe you should've said:

all u carebears here, listen up. it's a game, I got over it

Since...

i'm dun give a shit if someone bots or not.

So obviously you didn't read the last part in the picture I posted. I could post it again for you but it huge and it would ruin my whole post.

On friggin' topic:
We should be arguing about how botting and powerleveling are the same:

Botting - you got high level without doing anything.
power leveling - you got high level without doing anything.

Because botting=illegitimate and powerleveling=legitimate are something we can all agree on.

And for StacE's scenario about the clerics giving buffs to the "powerleveler," that's not powerleveling anymore since you did something for the sake of the party. It would turn into party-grinding in this case. At least that's what I think.

It wouldn't matter if the powerleveler is a botter or not. My point here is by getting powerleveled, you get to a desired level that you didn't attain. It's not about someone spending their own time powerleveling you, it is how you reached that level without you doing anything.

Personally, I think powerleveling is totally legitimate and at the same time totally unfair. I think it's unfair for the level 64+ euros that handgrinded their own character all by themselves. Why? Well look at it this way. Suppose you have a 100% handgrinded character level 64 and somebody that you know is level 52. Two weeks later that person gets to level 64 and you barely get to 66. Of course you would be like "WTF
?!" the moment you realize that he/she almost reached your level. This is where "unfairness" kicks in.

P.S. My longest post ever lol.

[HakubiNi]

Personally, I think powerleveling is totally legitimate and at the same time totally unfair. I think it's unfair for the level 64+ euros that handgrinded their own character all by themselves. Why? Well look at it this way. Suppose you have a 100% handgrinded character level 64 and somebody that you know is level 52. Two weeks later that person gets to level 64 and you barely get to 66. Of course you would be like "WTF
?!" the moment you realize that he/she almost reached your level. This is where "unfairness" kicks in.

This is an online game. There are alternatives. You can't join an online game and expect to be all by yourself, you make friends, meet a bunch of great people and some might want to powerlevel you. It's just that simple.

[Zing]

...

There is only one legit group and they are who uphold JOYMAX's rules. Nothing more and nothing less.
What you're talking about is another group, say created by you from your own beliefs and morals. Yes, your group can be legit, but that doesn't mean your group officially takes legitimacy title, it takes moral title.


By the way, guys. Thanks for shitting on this thread with your personal attacks. Such ego, guys; swallow your pride and actually participate in a civilize debate.

[Twist]

No more

[NOOB_THIEF]

I set my trap:p

lol try saying that to all the players here that are anti-bot and are struggling to lvl because of the bots.

And now you fell for it:

all u carebears here, listen up. it's a game, get over it.

By saying that, the anti-bots here will see that in their perspective, you, sir, do support them bots.

did i say "all u anti-bots"? no, i said carebears. ur trap was weak and i saw thru it.

there's a difference between pro-bot and not giving a shit. i'm dun give a shit if someone bots or not.

Sure my trap was weak but you replied anyway. Why? And why replace the word "anti-bot" with "carebear?"

Maybe you should've said:

all u carebears here, listen up. it's a game, I got over it

Since...

i'm dun give a shit if someone bots or not.

So obviously you didn't read the last part in the picture I posted. I could post it again for you but it huge and it would ruin my whole post.

On friggin' topic:
We should be arguing about how botting and powerleveling are the same:

Botting - you got high level without doing anything.
power leveling - you got high level without doing anything.

Because botting=illegitimate and powerleveling=legitimate are something we can all agree on.

And for StacE's scenario about the clerics giving buffs to the "powerleveler," that's not powerleveling anymore since you did something for the sake of the party. It would turn into party-grinding in this case. At least that's what I think.

It wouldn't matter if the powerleveler is a botter or not. My point here is by getting powerleveled, you get to a desired level that you didn't attain. It's not about someone spending their own time powerleveling you, it is how you reached that level without you doing anything.

Personally, I think powerleveling is totally legitimate and at the same time totally unfair. I think it's unfair for the level 64+ euros that handgrinded their own character all by themselves. Why? Well look at it this way. Suppose you have a 100% handgrinded character level 64 and somebody that you know is level 52. Two weeks later that person gets to level 64 and you barely get to 66. Of course you would be like "WTF
?!" the moment you realize that he/she almost reached your level. This is where "unfairness" kicks in.

P.S. My longest post ever lol.

OMG and your SIG said all you need to know . There no fairness in real life or in game. JoyMax made the game for you to play and they cant please everyone so try to deal with it. Oh, and 1 more thinng about morale yeah right please, tell me in your life from day you walk and talk till now you never take anything for granted? sreach deep in to your soul and answer me that. And please dont even think coz this is forums so you can say YEs i have nerver take anything for granted. i bet you all cant come up to that answer. This is just a game the END