What has pwr lvl'ing got to do with not being 'legit'

[Da_Realest]

My friend doesn't bot, he spends his time helping me.
I don't bot, I spend my time helping my friend.

Where is the so-called ilegit here?

Next time someone says in union "Hey I'm full of shield elixires, someone want them for free?" I'll refuse, since I didn't grind for those elixires.

I won't even address the example with the shield elexire has it has no value at all.

This only proves that you're biased. HakubiNi gave an effective counter argument and you it seems you're unable to respond. Your whole argument has been about its just like botting since you're gaining something you didn't work for.

You have shown that you're biased as if their is a difference between what you said and what he said. Its exactly the same. Unless you have an effective counter argument to addressed him, your points are void.

Power leveling is cheating, NOT because it's against TOS (it's not really) but because it's gaining something for free that the player would otherwise not be able to get.

I see no difference.

Who are you to judge whether they wouldn't obtain xxx level in due time? Who are you to judge what is "cheating" in JM's game? The shield elixir example goes for you too.

It has nothing to do with third party software. If it did, then people who use Vent or teamspeak or AOL Instant Messenger or xfire, or MSN, would also be cheating because they are using third party software to communicate with in-game friends/guildmates/unionmates in ways that the game would otherwise not allow.

You keep forgetting that its JM's game. Did you even read the ToS? 5.2 says illegal programs are against the rules. These are not blocked because they are not considered illegal. Whatever JM considers to be illegal or cheating, thats what it is.

[PR0METHEUS]

Power leveling is cheating, NOT because it's against TOS (it's not really) but because it's gaining something for free that the player would otherwise not be able to get.

I see no difference.

Who are you to judge whether they wouldn't obtain xxx level in due time? Who are you to judge what is "cheating" in JM's game? The shield elixir example goes for you too.

I didn't mean the player would never be able to get to xx level without getting power leveled. My point was if you sit on a horse collecting experience while doing nothing to earn it, you'll end up with a high level character that you did not earn. Sure you could get there eventually if you did it by yourself.

It has nothing to do with third party software. If it did, then people who use Vent or teamspeak or AOL Instant Messenger or xfire, or MSN, would also be cheating because they are using third party software to communicate with in-game friends/guildmates/unionmates in ways that the game would otherwise not allow.

You keep forgetting that its JM's game. Did you even read the ToS? 5.2 says illegal programs are against the rules. These are not blocked because they are not considered illegal. Whatever JM considers to be illegal or cheating, thats what it is.

Oh I am WELL aware that this is Joymax's game. Something doesn't have to be specifically against the TOS to be considered cheating. If you and I decide to PVP and you - or a high lvl friend - suddenly spawn a monster scroll or pandora's box on me, and then use an instant return scroll to get yourself out of there (knowing full well that your spawned mobs can likely 1-hit me) I would consider that cheating, even though it's not specifically against the rules.

As for the shield elixir example, I would most likely offer gold for those elixirs. Either that, or I would take them, but remember the offer later on when I have an item that the other person could use, and I don't need.

I've done that before. A friend of mine quit SRO, gave me his ID and password and told me to clean out his account and share the items with my wife. There wasn't much there, maybe 800k total worth of equip/gold. I took it as he asked, and about a year later, the other day in fact, he came back. I gave him 1m gold and bought him some equipment, gave him back his wolf, etc.

[Da_Realest]

I didn't mean the player would never be able to get to xx level without getting power leveled. My point was if you sit on a horse collecting experience while doing nothing to earn it, you'll end up with a high level character that you did not earn. Sure you could get there eventually if you did it by yourself.

Ok, thats understandable. Nvm See it in your edited post. I'll reply to the rest later.

As for the shield elixir example, I would most likely offer gold for those elixirs. Either that, or I would take them, but remember the offer later on when I have an item that the other person could use, and I don't need.

Thats my point. You've basing your points on what you believe is right and what you would do.

The concept behind the free shield elixirs(you didn't do any grinding to get them) and earning them yourself, vs pwrlvling(exp without doing any grinding yourself) and grinding yourself is the same. You can't put morals or what you would do into this because morals and so forth are subjective.

I'm not saying its impossible to debate the issue but from what you've said so far, the shield elixir example nullifies your current argument.

Oh I am WELL aware that this is Joymax's game. Something doesn't have to be specifically against the TOS to be considered cheating. If you and I decide to PVP and you - or a high lvl friend - suddenly spawn a monster scroll or pandora's box on me, and then use an instant return scroll to get yourself out of there (knowing full well that your spawned mobs can likely 1-hit me) I would consider that cheating, even though it's not specifically against the rules.

I'd agree that if was cheating if it was agreed upon that you would 1v1 since its just common courtesy. Its good that I have a sense of what you define as cheating but thats not the point. The rules are already laid out so their is no need to improvise what JM might have met, why JM did this, etc.

Personally, I'm not for or against powerleveling. If JM finally comes out and says its against the rules, its no big deal to me.

I also agree with Zing.

[Zing]

PR0METHEUS, unfair and illegal are two different words. All you've been describing are unfair scenarios, not illegal (which break JOYMAX's laws) scenarios.

[PR0METHEUS]

PR0METHEUS, unfair and illegal are two different words. All you've been describing are unfair scenarios, not illegal (which break JOYMAX's laws) scenarios.

I have never claimed that power leveling is illegal. Although I didn't use the word "unfair", I would definitely say power leveling is unfair. I know very well that power leveling is not illegal. There is no rule saying you can't do it. It is unfair and cheating in my opinion.

I know not everyone will have the same opinion.

[Cruor]

Powerleveling is legitimate because the majority of people in this community powerlevel. That cannot be argued. Elsewhere, that fact may change but here it has been made legitimate.

That said, what pisses me off about you people is that you can't seem to understand why anyone would not want to be powerleveled. To you this game is only about being capped, and unfortunately that is what the majority of people believe. You say I am jealous of you or poor or that I have no friends, because obviously I secretly want to be capped right? That's why I deleted my last character, started fresh, and log in about once every two weeks. Maybe for once you should see beyond levels. Do you want to know what turned me off with this game? The community. All you people care about is levels. It's a damn rat race. I can't log in and chat with some people or grind with some people because everyone is caught up in their powerleveling, racing to that cap. They will continue to do so indefinitely. All for what, so they can stand a chance in PvP against botters? What else is there to do when you're capped? Sure, castle siege could be interesting but you know already that it will be completely dominated by sun-toting, gold buying, botted up players. So I ask you this: Why in the hell should I feel jealous of you people? What fun is sitting on a horse for hours getting powerleveled so that you can get capped and mash some buttons to kill some botters, realizing a few months later at the next cap that your character is now gimped because of Joymax's ever changing skill dynamics? I came to this game because I thought it would be fun to mingle around with people, possibly in a longer term. Instead all I found was that people are rotten to their very cores. To be honest, at this point I would rather just jump into a casual game of Halo or something on Xbox Live with my RL friends. Sure there are people there as well who share this delusioned view of gaming you have, but I only have to spend a few minutes with them. If you are so obsessed with competition, why not put it into something productive? Games are for fun. Games should be spontaneous. You should not be planning out exactly how you will spend the next five weeks playing a game.

so what possessed you to crack open the .pk2 files and basically try out all the endgame stuff? If anything would burn you out on silkroad , I would think it'd be that, not trying to put you down or anything. anyway someone said it earlier theres a difference between what is law and what is moral, I guess powerleveling is a gray area in there. theres been plenty of things in the game which have been used in ways they may not have been intended. I guess someone needs to write a letter to the GM or programmers and ask them how they expected it to work.

10D armor and endgame skills are little more than eyecandy for my videos. I put them on when I make videos because the level-centric people I have been speaking of tend to be more interested in viewing a video with 10D armor, an easy edit to make, than viewing a video with dual wielding. When I actually play the game though, I use files that are stock except for the Korean locale/font fix.

[HakubiNi]

The screenshot and shimere's triple/double posting are making this thread hard to read. -_-'

Anyway, I'm definetevaly not in a leveling race. I just got a few levels, that's all. I'm level 40 now, I got powerleveled for only a few levels, and I have a fully hand grinded level 61 chinese characters (which by the way, can also be powerleveled or powerfarmed, no no EURO exclusive here). I never buy silk, because I'm afraid of server traffic and cannot afford a PT. I never ask anyone for powerleveling. I just wanted to freaking graduate from my academy so my friend (master) got his honor points. I tell you, all I did between level 34 and 40 was FULLY PARTY PLAY OR SOLO GRIND. I have my friends list with a lot of people that were fun to party with, and I'm an experient cleric since I know what healing skills are good and what skills are not. I do NOT miss those levels 20~30. Mainly because training at Minor Asia sucks.

My friend got hacked this saturday, and he'll spend some time away from the game. And I WILL help him recover his level 31 character when he comes back, trough powerleveling. He didn't deserve to be hacked and I will do my best to put him back on shape.

[Marikit]

I am power leveled! There, I admited it. Actually, I have a lvl 58 chinese nuker - 100% hand grinded. My euro...50% hand grinded, 50% p-lvld...by myself and with the help of a friend. I actually enjoy grinding...and enjoy playing the game. It is not a matter of being lazy or looking for a free ride. A lvl 80 in my guild, a very good friend...takes me to plvl for 2 hours a day...what else does he have to do? He's stuck at 80 and farming anyway until the 90 cap. He is a legit hand grinder...not a bot!!! The party mob system benifits us both. In return, I provide him with pots, buffs, repairs and good old fashioned "company". Is there anything more lonely than grinding alone??? +1 for interesting, intellegent conversation with another person. Any items or elixers or what ever is dropped is given to him, I wouldn't dream of keeping anything as a result of his hard work.

Lvl'ing for euro is not the same as it is for chinese...those of you with euro are well aware of this. I can take my euro to grind and get ownd by mobs well below my level...the defense is not there if you can't find a well rounded euro party to support you...and good luck in finding that! So what if I lvl quickly with the assistance of a friend. It will give me the opportunity to help someone else when I become lvl 80 and bored. And btw...I would never ask someone to pay me for plvl...*cough*...gold whore...*cough*

There is no right or wrong answer to the p'lvling question...it is an individual preference or necessity. I would venture to say that most guilds with active high lvl players are p'lvling their guild...isn't that part of what guild mates do? Help each other. High lvl's get their farming, mid lvl's are gaining exp, sp and the guild is getting GP.

BUT....!!!! - there is no reason to be plvld from lvl 1 - 40!!! This is absurd. People lvl 1 begging for plvl....should quit the game while they are ahead. It amazes me that they come in at lvl 1 and know about plvl - but don't know that you can get your first few lvls with out actually even having to go outside the city walls??? I met a euro in the game - lvl 40 ... he did not know how to get anywhere in the game, other than buy horse or running it - the fool didn't know that you could teleport...that was definately good for a laugh...i started to call him test tube baby...went right over his head - maybe that shows his age or maybe it shows mine.

Plvl is fine if it is done legit!

[PR0METHEUS]

I am power leveled! There, I admited it. Actually, I have a lvl 58 chinese nuker - 100% hand grinded. My euro...50% hand grinded, 50% p-lvld...by myself and with the help of a friend. I actually enjoy grinding...and enjoy playing the game. It is not a matter of being lazy or looking for a free ride. A lvl 80 in my guild, a very good friend...takes me to plvl for 2 hours a day...what else does he have to do? He's stuck at 80 and farming anyway until the 90 cap. He is a legit hand grinder...not a bot!!! The party mob system benifits us both. In return, I provide him with pots, buffs, repairs and good old fashioned "company". Is there anything more lonely than grinding alone??? +1 for interesting, intellegent conversation with another person. Any items or elixers or what ever is dropped is given to him, I wouldn't dream of keeping anything as a result of his hard work.

Lvl'ing for euro is not the same as it is for chinese...those of you with euro are well aware of this. I can take my euro to grind and get ownd by mobs well below my level...the defense is not there if you can't find a well rounded euro party to support you...and good luck in finding that! So what if I lvl quickly with the assistance of a friend. It will give me the opportunity to help someone else when I become lvl 80 and bored. And btw...I would never ask someone to pay me for plvl...*cough*...gold whore...*cough*

There is no right or wrong answer to the p'lvling question...it is an individual preference or necessity. I would venture to say that most guilds with active high lvl players are p'lvling their guild...isn't that part of what guild mates do? Help each other. High lvl's get their farming, mid lvl's are gaining exp, sp and the guild is getting GP.

BUT....!!!! - there is no reason to be plvld from lvl 1 - 40!!! This is absurd. People lvl 1 begging for plvl....should quit the game while they are ahead. It amazes me that they come in at lvl 1 and know about plvl - but don't know that you can get your first few lvls with out actually even having to go outside the city walls??? I met a euro in the game - lvl 40 ... he did not know how to get anywhere in the game, other than buy horse or running it - the fool didn't know that you could teleport...that was definately good for a laugh...i started to call him test tube baby...went right over his head - maybe that shows his age or maybe it shows mine.

Plvl is fine if it is done legit!

A lot of what you're saying makes sense. Power leveling can be a way for guild mates to help each other out... after all, what else is there for guilds to do together? There are no guild-based quests or anything like that. Really the only thing guilds can do together is party grind, or job.

Jobbing with your guild can be difficult, especially with a large guild, with the new job system because of aliases. It's hard to keep track of everyone's alias, considering they're supposed to be "secret". The job system does not show you what other jobbers are in your guild or union, so when you get into a large trade, it can be hard to distinguish good guys from bad.

So other than jobbing, you're left with party grinding. It doesn't make sense for high levels to party grind with low levels on low level mobs because the high level gets nothing out of it, and the low level will get worse exp than they would grinding alone I'd think. So the party grinds on higher level mobs.

I can understand Joymax putting an 11 level limit on the party grinding thing. To me, that doesn't mean low levels should just sit on a horse and do nothing. I see nothing wrong with grinding in a party with a lvl 80 on mobs that are several levels above you, as long as you're actually doing something to try and help. It just doesn't seem to be right (and it's boring nonetheless) to just sit on a transport and absorb the experience.

I say get off your horse and help the party. Try not to die... but then again isn't that what clerics and chinese healers/ressers are for?

It's perfectly possible to "power level" party grind with your guild without just horse-tracing the leader.

It seems my posts are getting longer and longer... Maybe I just talk too much

[Barotix]

Powerleveling is legitimate because the majority of people in this community powerlevel. That cannot be argued. Elsewhere, that fact may change but here it has been made legitimate.

That said, what pisses me off about you people is that you can't seem to understand why anyone would not want to be powerleveled. To you this game is only about being capped, and unfortunately that is what the majority of people believe. You say I am jealous of you or poor or that I have no friends, because obviously I secretly want to be capped right? That's why I deleted my last character, started fresh, and log in about once every two weeks. Maybe for once you should see beyond levels. Do you want to know what turned me off with this game? The community. All you people care about is levels. It's a damn rat race. I can't log in and chat with some people or grind with some people because everyone is caught up in their powerleveling, racing to that cap. They will continue to do so indefinitely. All for what, so they can stand a chance in PvP against botters? What else is there to do when you're capped? Sure, castle siege could be interesting but you know already that it will be completely dominated by sun-toting, gold buying, botted up players. So I ask you this: Why in the hell should I feel jealous of you people? What fun is sitting on a horse for hours getting powerleveled so that you can get capped and mash some buttons to kill some botters, realizing a few months later at the next cap that your character is now gimped because of Joymax's ever changing skill dynamics? I came to this game because I thought it would be fun to mingle around with people, possibly in a longer term. Instead all I found was that people are rotten to their very cores. To be honest, at this point I would rather just jump into a casual game of Halo or something on Xbox Live with my RL friends. Sure there are people there as well who share this delusioned view of gaming you have, but I only have to spend a few minutes with them. If you are so obsessed with competition, why not put it into something productive? Games are for fun. Games should be spontaneous. You should not be planning out exactly how you will spend the next five weeks playing a game.

you owned ^^cruor

To all the people that say that power leveling is part of the game, that it's the way Joymax intended it, I ask this...

Why would Joymax develop a new race (European) that is party-based, specifically meant to have various classes that work together in a party with different jobs for each class... and then put in a system that allows those very same Euro characters to just sit on an ostrich and soak up exp by a high lvl Chinese legit, or botter?

Regardless of whether power leveling is against the TOS or not, it is destroying the very point of the European race. Europeans are meant to work together to kill mobs and level. They are meant to use their individual skills to help the rest of the party, whether tanking, pulling in mobs, healing other party members, dealing a lot of damage...

I have never seen anything that specifically said Joymax put the Guardian system in for power leveling. They put it in so high levels can help new players out, showing them "the ropes" of the game. Everyone involved gets additional experience boosts through the experience buffs, and guardians get the ability to purchase special items with honor points.

If you want to play Euro, why not actually PLAY it? Why not enjoy the aspects that make Euro unique, different than Chinese? It's a party-based race plain an simple.

Botting is cheating, NOT because it's using third party software, but because the botter is gaining something for free that he would otherwise not be able to get.

Power leveling is cheating, NOT because it's against TOS (it's not really) but because it's gaining something for free that the player would otherwise not be able to get.

I see no difference.

It has nothing to do with third party software. If it did, then people who use Vent or teamspeak or AOL Instant Messenger or xfire, or MSN, would also be cheating because they are using third party software to communicate with in-game friends/guildmates/unionmates in ways that the game would otherwise not allow.

I'm sorry, I just have to laugh at those that say that people are against power leveling because they are "jealous that they are too poor or have no friends that can power level them." I have plenty of high and low level friends, and plenty of money to afford paying for the service. I've been offered it many times, but I turn it down.

adding to that wound eh Prometheus

but Da_Realest also has interesting points, so here is the obvious truth.

botting is bad
bots get lvl for free
pwrlvl get lvls for free...
so pwrlvling must be bad??

BUT
pwrlvling is not "against" the rules
therefore pwrlvling is good??

hmm loopholes.
loopholes are the sexors??

meh as i said i am a hypocrit because soon the guild im in will start a pwrlvl network 2 become the strongest on alexander



this has been a great topic, and as you can see
pwrlvling is like GOOD/EVIL

were do you draw the line?
what is the distinction between what is good and evil??
the law of the land may not be the right "law"
but who cares right?
as long as you get what you want??

MEH boring topic its been discussed, and we went in a circle [argh i hate circles]

or hmm a better anology would be we went in a set of parrallel lines which go on infinitly are close and nvr touch

bot
pwrlvl

evil
good

whats the difference??

none.
im out i wont be back cyas

[Zing]

I have never claimed that power leveling is illegal. Although I didn't use the word "unfair", I would definitely say power leveling is unfair. I know very well that power leveling is not illegal. There is no rule saying you can't do it. It is unfair and cheating in my opinion.

I know not everyone will have the same opinion.

Then, what are you building your argument off? Your morals, your opinions?
The credibility coming from morals and/or opinions do not match the current facts of Silkroad Online.

Fact of the matter is, power-leveling is not some third-party program that actually breaks rules created by JOYMAX.

Do you really want to know what's unfair? Jumped on Silkroad to cape PVP for fun. Yet, there was this level 64+ player who would kill anyone (anyone who was extremely lower than him). I guess that's cheating and immoral! It isn't legit!

That road is pretty much what you are coming off from. You don't like power-leveling, heck, you even decline favors from the past. Good for you. But, in the end, facts matter most and that fact is power-leveling is not something illegitimate just because someone has a feud with it.

You can continue on with your opinions, I'll respect that. But trying to imply something is illegal when it's not, is just wrong. And, yes -- yes you were implying it was illegal. From your very first post, you compared an illegal program with power-leveling. I think that's pretty much on par saying that something is illegal.

Have fun in Silkroad Online.

[Vindicator]

Shimère,

Many time in this topic have you posted your opinions as facts, have repeatedly spewed your bias thoughts all over, you have spammed, double posted, disreguarded legitimate points, and criticized all who dare to prove you wrong. At the most, in this topic, you have successfully degraded yourself. not only do you refuse to recognize any other opinion than your own, you go on to suggest your opinion is of single and utmost importance and it is the law of SRO, when in fact, Joymax rules disproves you. In your spews of accusations of worthless posts, offtopic blunders, and accusations of spam, you yourself are deemed the most guilty of these charges. If you wish to salvage ANY credibility, you should at least read what other people say, and try to use the edit button, and dont make a post just to say

...wow your ignorant...

Obviously, totally worthless comment. Nothing here worth replying to.

You're starting to sound really bitter... Get some sleep

That is usually called spam, a totally out of topic comment like this. Next time, why don't you address an opinion instead of worrying about me?

...wow your ignorant...

Obviously, totally worthless comment. Nothing here worth replying to.

then y did u?

And even more worthless spam.

Didn't want to sound rude or even bother replying to prolong the discussion with your issues... And if you haven't checked, you're the one spamming... LoL!

Oooookkk there... yeaaahhh I'm spammmmiing... yeaaahhhh.

Next time, if you have an ACTUAL opinion which RELATES to the topic at hand, why don't you STATE your opinion instead of doing what you are doing right now?

Found guilty by Judge and Jury of SRF. Perhaps you should indeed read what you write next time.


And to make a point ON TOPIC, it seems that it can be established that power lvling is LEGAL, but its now a matter of if its morally wrong and do you yourself personally like it. Personally, i have no problem with it because i only do it to myself, or a friend for a little bit. Never will i ever give anyone a totally free ride through sro. Although, i defantely see where people are coming from saying its unfair. I would be pissed too if someone got lvl 80 in a month or so when it took me nearly a year for my first nuker to get there.

Power lvling is like crack, you love it when you do it, but after ward you are in a slump because u didnt grind, have no money, no items, no experience with your character and nothing to do but get more plvl. once you do it, you just cant stop

[HakubiNi]

Power lvling is like crack, you love it when you do it, but after ward you are in a slump because u didnt grind, have no money, no items, no experience with your character and nothing to do but get more plvl. once you do it, you just cant stop

I disagree. Probably this happens with most people, but I got leveled from 22 to 28 in two days and I don't miss those powerleveling days. I still got trough most of 3x the normal way. I learned to be a good cleric. I only wished the people I partied with kept playing, because it's at 3x that most quit.

And I'm hesitant into going into Hotan. I'll probably work more on other things and go to Hotan only when Joymax takes some action against that overcrowed stupid spam-filled town. That may take a while, but I'll take my time as well.

[mosiac]

I love it how all of the powerlevelee's ignore the point risen that europeans are ment for party grinding.

[Vindicator]

I love it how all of the powerlevelee's ignore the point risen that europeans are ment for party grinding.

whos ignoring the fact? european or chinese, they are all power lvled, and can all party grind...yes europeans are meant for aprty grinding, and its fun to do so, but who is ignoring it?

[arctic197]

I love it how all of the powerlevelee's ignore the point risen that europeans are ment for party grinding.

Hahaha damn I'm guilty

[Zing]

mosiac, I don't think that's relevant to the legitimacy of power-leveling (i.e the topic).

Besides, isn't power-leveling itself just another party? Yes.

[mosiac]

I love it how all of the powerlevelee's ignore the point risen that europeans are ment for party grinding.

whos ignoring the fact? european or chinese, they are all power lvled, and can all party grind...yes europeans are meant for aprty grinding, and its fun to do so, but who is ignoring it?

ignoring the fact as in not responding to multiple people who brought it up.

mosiac, I don't think that's relevant to the legitimacy of power-leveling (i.e the topic).

Besides, isn't power-leveling itself just another party? Yes.

when I say party I mean each character having a job and working together, not tracing on a horse. It's relevant to the legitimacy of power-leveling because joymax intended Europe to be played together in a party, with 8 people working together to gain experience - not for all Europeans to trace highlevels on a horse doing nothing to gain experience. I didn't enjoy Chinese grinding at all, and had actually quit playing after I had capped two Chinese characters before the euro update. Europe was supposed to be about working together to have to grind, the majority of the european community just powerlevels up to a high level, and grinds solo / powerlevels to 80 and only plays for pvp. yet another similarity to botters, most powerlevelee's do nothing to gain experience, and race to the cap simply to pvp. And may I state again, I know that powerleveling is perfectly legit.

and if you didn't read my first post, i'm not jealous of high level europeans, I could powerlevel myself with two pcs, or get someone else to powerlevel me but I would rather not be Lazy and actually enjoy the game for what it is made for. it's pathetic, I logged on today, looking for a european party and all I see are powerlevel parties for gold, and two european parties that were useless. that's out of three pages. The SRO community has gone to shit, all everyone wants to do is get capped as fast as possible and with as least work as possible just to pvp. you don't enjoy the game for what it's for.

[Zing]

mosiac, I fail to see your point. Are you trying to say that since Europeans are intended to party, so power-leveling becomes illegitimate?

Following that, Chinese are intended to be soloing, so partying wouldn't be the right thing to do? Since, it's illegitimate?

Or

Are you saying you just dislike the idea of power-leveling? If so, then good to know. Though, I still fail to see how it's still relevant to the legitimacy of power-leveling just because you dislike it.

[PR0METHEUS]

You can continue on with your opinions, I'll respect that. But trying to imply something is illegal when it's not, is just wrong. And, yes -- yes you were implying it was illegal. From your very first post, you compared an illegal program with power-leveling. I think that's pretty much on par saying that something is illegal.

Have fun in Silkroad Online.

Yes, I compared power leveling (not illegal - no use of third party software, etc) with botting (illegal - use of third party software, etc). However, that does not imply power leveling is illegal. How can I claim it's illegal if there are no rules against it? I compared the end result of both processes. Both botting and power leveling give you exp for free. You didn't earn it.

It's like comparing people who use cocaine (illegal) with people who use off-the-shelf cold medicines to get "high" or some other effect. Cold meds are legal. There is no law saying you can't take them, but I don't think it's right to OD on the stuff just to get a buzz.

Yes it's morals I guess. I don't think everyone here will ever come to an agreement on this. I just truely feel that power leveling (and botting) is ruining the atmosphere and community of this game. There are so many options of things to do in this game, two different races that add even more variety, but everyone seems to just want to race to cap by any means necessary, completely skipping by 95% of the game itself.

Oh well, just my $0.02

[roflcopter]

Ive really enjoyed following this thread and its good to see that arguements and opinions can be put across without too much incident.

Its a very difficult situation but my feeling is this, as it stands and as the current game mechanism allows i think power levelling is a perfectly acceptable way to progress in this game. After all it is just a game and you take what it has to offer you and you should play/progress/enjoy this game how ever you see fit. Its your own time that is invested in this game and if you listened to the opinions of everyone in this game you would get no further ahead or no less behind then they would themselves.

You always have to consider the game experience and if people feel they want to experience and build every % earned during their levelling then so be it, but a huge majority of players in this game feel otherwise and power levelling is another avenue that allows them to combat that issue.

Its what players choose to do.

I must add this tho, i feel if Joymax had engineered this game slightly differently in the way of exp gain, ks function and mastery tree setup then i think a lot of ill feeling would have been saved and the whole community would be a much healthier being. I dont wish to digress and explain in detail what i mean by that cos id prefer to keep this thread to the issue of power levelling.

Edit: fixed my pre-school stylee grammar!

[Zing]

Well, PR0METHEUS, since you say it isn't, then I'll accept. I'd say I went out of line telling you what you meant in your own writing. But I would have to say that it really did looked like it.

Though, about what you said about your earning argument is only partially true. There are many ways to be power-leveled and one of the hugest ways to be power-leveled is to pay (Silkroad virtual gold).
Players pay other players to power-level them for a certain amount of time. I'd say that's a valid way to earn your experience and skill points.

[PR0METHEUS]

Though, about what you said about your earning argument is only partially true. There are many ways to be power-leveled and one of the hugest ways to be power-leveled is to pay (Silkroad virtual gold).
Players pay other players to power-level them for a certain amount of time. I'd say that's a valid way to earn your experience and skill points.

Perhaps, but that just means that those who buy gold from gold bots will have the easiest time leveling. If you're getting power leveled from a low level, you likely won't have gold to pay for the service, unless you have a second character that already earned a lot of gold.

I know it will continue. I just don't plan to take part in any of it.

[Zing]

Perhaps, but that just means that those who buy gold from gold bots will have the easiest time leveling. If you're getting power leveled from a low level, you likely won't have gold to pay for the service, unless you have a second character that already earned a lot of gold.

I know it will continue. I just don't plan to take part in any of it.

Now you're taking it to a whole new different level. Gold buying does not relate to power-leveling in any way. It is up to the player to buy that gold, thus it is at that player's fault, not power-leveling.

I guess Silkroad Online is completely horrible, as there are people who use third-party programs. Understand your analogy better?

You're really just grasping at straws on this debate, PR0METHEUS.

[StacE]

PROMETHEUS, what about this siutation. A cleric is being powerleveled and in doing so is giving the power leveler his buffs. Because he is giving something/contributing to the party does this make it okay to power level clerics? what about other classes? In your eyes, are only specific classes allowed to be power leveled o.O?


From a personal view, i was power leveled. And i see it fair in particularly my case. I made my own chinese character before Europe. So had most of my guild mates... My guild mates and I, used my hand grinded chinese character to power level our euro's.
I did the grind with my chinese, and as such have the ability to power level myself. I don't see the problem with me power levelling myself.

BTW, it isn't really possible to power level yourself at ~67+. After that point it becomes rather crabby exp. So all it is doing is skipping the early stages of the game, and as i have already made high level chinese characters i'm not really excited about doing it all over again with my euro.

[PR0METHEUS]

PROMETHEUS, what about this siutation. A cleric is being powerleveled and in doing so is giving the power leveler his buffs. Because he is giving something/contributing to the party does this make it okay to power level clerics? what about other classes? In your eyes, are only specific classes allowed to be power leveled o.O?


From a personal view, i was power leveled. And i see it fair in particularly my case. I made my own chinese character before Europe. So had most of my guild mates... My guild mates and I, used my hand grinded chinese character to power level our euro's.
I did the grind with my chinese, and as such have the ability to power level myself. I don't see the problem with me power levelling myself.

BTW, it isn't really possible to power level yourself at ~67+. After that point it becomes rather crabby exp. So all it is doing is skipping the early stages of the game, and as i have already made high level chinese characters i'm not really excited about doing it all over again with my euro.

Well like I said before, I think it's fine if you're contributing to the party. I just don't like to see people hop on a horse, trace their lvl 80 friend, then go to bed for the night while the lvl 80 grinds for them.

As far as I know, you can't cast your euro buffs from on a horse, so you'd have to be on the ground, vulnerable to the mobs, and then you can help fight too. In that situation, the high lvl probably doesn't really need your buffs because he can probably 1-hit your mobs anyway, and they barely do any damage to him.

So I guess what I'm saying is, if you're actually helping the party, whether buffing, healing, fighting, then it's alright. The party should be grinding on mobs that you actually have some chance of helping to kill.

[mosiac]

mosiac, I fail to see your point. Are you trying to say that since Europeans are intended to party, so power-leveling becomes illegitimate?

Following that, Chinese are intended to be soloing, so partying wouldn't be the right thing to do? Since, it's illegitimate?

Or

Are you saying you just dislike the idea of power-leveling? If so, then good to know. Though, I still fail to see how it's still relevant to the legitimacy of power-leveling just because you dislike it.

I don't like to word it illegitimate because there is nothing illegal about it. the word legit has way too many definitions, from using third party programs, to not grinding the same as everyone else. It's more of a thick grey area between botting and handgrinding, i don't know. What i'm trying to say is that joymax didn't intend for people to powerlevel from 1-64. the academy system is supposed to be old players teaching new ones, showing them the ropes. Granted they would be powerleveling them, but not from 1-70 ect, or powerleveling for gold. that's why i'm questioning the "illegitimancy"

[nightbloom]

Powerleveling is legitimate because the majority of people in this community powerlevel. That cannot be argued. Elsewhere, that fact may change but here it has been made legitimate.

That said, what pisses me off about you people is that you can't seem to understand why anyone would not want to be powerleveled. To you this game is only about being capped, and unfortunately that is what the majority of people believe. You say I am jealous of you or poor or that I have no friends, because obviously I secretly want to be capped right? That's why I deleted my last character, started fresh, and log in about once every two weeks. Maybe for once you should see beyond levels. Do you want to know what turned me off with this game? The community. All you people care about is levels. It's a damn rat race. I can't log in and chat with some people or grind with some people because everyone is caught up in their powerleveling, racing to that cap. They will continue to do so indefinitely. All for what, so they can stand a chance in PvP against botters? What else is there to do when you're capped? Sure, castle siege could be interesting but you know already that it will be completely dominated by sun-toting, gold buying, botted up players. So I ask you this: Why in the hell should I feel jealous of you people? What fun is sitting on a horse for hours getting powerleveled so that you can get capped and mash some buttons to kill some botters, realizing a few months later at the next cap that your character is now gimped because of Joymax's ever changing skill dynamics? I came to this game because I thought it would be fun to mingle around with people, possibly in a longer term. Instead all I found was that people are rotten to their very cores. To be honest, at this point I would rather just jump into a casual game of Halo or something on Xbox Live with my RL friends. Sure there are people there as well who share this delusioned view of gaming you have, but I only have to spend a few minutes with them. If you are so obsessed with competition, why not put it into something productive? Games are for fun. Games should be spontaneous. You should not be planning out exactly how you will spend the next five weeks playing a game.

so what possessed you to crack open the .pk2 files and basically try out all the endgame stuff? If anything would burn you out on silkroad , I would think it'd be that, not trying to put you down or anything. anyway someone said it earlier theres a difference between what is law and what is moral, I guess powerleveling is a gray area in there. theres been plenty of things in the game which have been used in ways they may not have been intended. I guess someone needs to write a letter to the GM or programmers and ask them how they expected it to work.

10D armor and endgame skills are little more than eyecandy for my videos. I put them on when I make videos because the level-centric people I have been speaking of tend to be more interested in viewing a video with 10D armor, an easy edit to make, than viewing a video with dual wielding. When I actually play the game though, I use files that are stock except for the Korean locale/font fix.

^^ I know where you live Cruor, you leave to go play Halo and I will track your genius ass down! THINK OF THE CHILDREN! (ie; Belgarath)

[TOloseGT]

Without morals, there is no society.

lol @ u. it's a game, get over it.

[Vindicator]

Without morals, there is no society.

lol @ u. it's a game, get over it.

unfortunately, i don't think she can